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[leftstreet]

1. It was always US vs THEM, never RED vs BLUE

[MannyGoldstein]

3. The CEO party vs. the Wall Street party.

No party for us.

[1000words]

10. Good Cop/Bad Cop

Believe it.

[DanTex]

13. What about the party that nominated the 4 justices who dissented? They're not for us?

[SidDithers]

29. Forget it, he's rolling...nt

Sid

[sabrina 1]

49. What about all the Dems WE elected to stop the nominations of Right Wing SCJs who VOTED FOR THEM??

What do we do about them?

[DanTex]

50. The fact of the matter is, the President basically gets the nominees he wants.

If it wasn't Roberts or Thomas or whoever, it would have been someone else. It's simply not feasible to think that with a GOP president, we're going to get liberal nominees. The way to get liberals on the bench is to elect a Democratic president. That's the reality.

[sufrommich]

15. Every single justice appointed by a democrat voted

against this travesty.Every single one. Is there anything you don't blame on democrats?

[leftstreet]

18. Every justice confirmed by a Democrat voted for n/t

[BeyondGeography]

19. Every justice confirmed by a Republican voted against

Can we stop now?

[ProSense]

20. They were nominated by Republican Presidents. Here are

are the Democrats who voted against Alito and Roberts (including then Senator Obama)

Alito

NAYs ---25

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00001


Roberts


NAYs ---22

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00245

[MannyGoldstein]

21. And filibustered by Demo...

never mind.

[ProSense]

24. McCain 2008!!!

Kerry attempted a filibuster of Alito. Here are the Democrats who voted for (the ones still in office are in bold.)

Alito

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)

Roberts

Baucus (D-MT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feingold (D-WI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Wyden (D-OR)

[sabrina 1]

51. Notice how ONLY the Dems who voted against them are listed. 17 Dems voted FOR Alito eg, and more

voted FOR Roberts. What do we do about those Dems, always just enough of them, who vote FOR Corporate interests? That is what the voters want to know.

[ProSense]

17. Here's a little

"The CEO party vs. the Wall Street party."

...reality with strong opposition from Republicans. President Obama re-regulated Wall Street.

There is no question that Dodd-Frank was a strong bill—the strongest in three generations. I didn’t have a chance to vote for it because I wasn’t yet in the Senate, but if I could have, I would have voted for it twice.

http://www.warren.senate.gov/files/documents/AFR%20Roosevelt%20Institute%20Speech%202013-11-12.pdf

One of my favorite clips.

Obama's CFPB under Richard Cordray.

Elizabeth Warren: Cordray Vote ‘A Historic Day For Working Families’

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) took to Twitter on Tuesday in praise of the Senate's vote to advance Richard Cordray's nomination to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, calling it a "historic day for working families."

Elizabeth Warren ✔ @elizabethforma

I couldn't be more pleased that Rich Cordray will finally get the vote that he deserves. This is a historic day for working families!
1:11 PM - 16 Jul 2013

47 Retweets 26 favorites

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-cordray-vote-historic-day-for-working

Thank you Senator Warren.

CFPB Sues ITT Tech For Allegedly Exploiting Students, Pushing Predatory Loans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024570346

Sen. Warren Praises New CFPB Mortgage Rules that Make Families, Economy Safer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024295777

Obama's NLRB: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024727672

[BeyondGeography]

30. Warren beat Brown?

I thought they were winning?

[polichick]

12. Exactly.

[DanTex]

14. Except that this latest SCOTUS decision was precisely split red versus blue.

[polichick]

22. Well, there's also this to think about:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4769306

[DanTex]

26. And that somehow shows that there's no difference between the parties? Really?

[bvar22]

42. I disagree.

I remember a time when the Democratic Party represented America's Working Class.

The New Deal programs of FDR built the largest, wealthiest, and most upwardly mobile Working Class the World had ever seen.
The Great Society programs of LBJ (Medicare, War on Poverty & Civil Rights Act) extended and enhanced the foundation laid by FDR.

For a couple of decades, it was GOOD to be in the Working Class and a Democrat!
NOW, the Party leadership is trying to undo the last vestiges of the New Deal.

[1000words]

2. Remember to GOTV!!!

Go team!

[SidDithers]

33. Are you advocating not voting?...

'Cause that's what your post sure sounds like.

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

53. He's mocking GOTV

Apparently, he's above it all or some shit.

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

[yeoman6987]

4. We're winning

We have gay marriage gaining in popularity. We have won the popular vote for President in the at least last 5 elections. We have a health care program for the first time EVER. We have stopped two wars. We are gaining more of the youth becoming more liberal and Democratic. We have a ton of things that are winning for our side.

[Skraxx]

32. Correct, this is a desperate, reactionary decision becasue they recognize they are losing

They are trying to stem the tide by rigging the game.

But progress always wins. You can't stop progress.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

[bvar22]

47. Progress?

Progress?...for whom?

CHARTS: The Amazing Wealth Surge For The Top 0.1 Percent
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-amazing-wealth-surge-for-the-top-0-1-percent

Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers

What happened to the 70,000 jobs that the Korea Free Trade deal was supposed to create? They never materialized. Instead, U.S. workers lost 40,000 jobs in the first year of the agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html

Retirement: A third have less than $1,000 put away
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/03/18/retirement-confidence-survey-savings/6432241/

65 percent of working families are living from paycheck to paycheck.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

"Obama Admin’s TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses From Big Banks"
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admin%E2%80%99s-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/

95 percent of the economy’s gains have gone to the top 1 percent
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

Billionaire wealth doubles since financial crisis
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/12/Billionaire-wealth-doubles-since-financial-crisis/5011384268135/?spt=hts&or=12

Rates of unemployment for families earning less than $20,000 - have topped 21 percent
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBS_GAP_RICH_AND_POOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-16-08-11-23

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html


Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

The Totally Unfair And Bitterly Uneven 'Recovery,' In 12 Charts – HuffPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662029


These things do NOT happen by accident.

[RobertEarl]

5. Capitalism rules

SCOTUS just made that perfectly clear.

Capitalism is the most important thing to capitalists. What's in your wallet?

[ProSense]

6. Your post is

"The end of campaign finance regulations. The end of protecting the votes of minority voters. Heritage-Foundation healthcare financing. Environmental obliteration. Wars for oil whose bills and blood are paid by the Little People. Hyper-low taxes on the wealthiest."

...simply another attempt to blame Democrats for today's abominable decision. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024769146



No, they are not friggin winning by millions of Americans gaining access to health care.

Krugman: A Big Biden Deal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024768720

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Funny how Manny also tried to lump the ACA in with the SC decision

Conservatives and the folks who want to buy our Democracy like the Kochs HATE the ACA.

It's people like Bernie Sanders who support the ACA.

Transparent OP is transparent.

[sufrommich]

16. Yep.Lots of DUers showing their asses today. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

25. Some of those

asses have been shining for awhile now.

[sufrommich]

31. I remember a time when stating that

"both sides are the same" was strictly against DU rules.What the he'll happened here?

[ProSense]

34. Funny

the OP rec'd this thread:

As a harsh critic of portions of The Affordable Care Act,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024766254

"Transparent OP is transparent."

Disingenuous too.

[SidDithers]

38. Yup. The FUD is strong at DU today...nt

Sid

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Oh I almost forgot....

Manny said McCain's policies wouldn't be different than Obama's.

Funny, do you think McCain would have nominated Kagan and Sotomayor?

OP is full of shit.

[giftedgirl77]

48. Thankfully some here actually see this OP for what it is.

On Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:41 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh I almost forgot....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4770247

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Elevating the discourse by calling OP full of shit.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:08 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You can think it all you want, but here on DU you can't say it and I agree, it adds nothing to the discussion.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[DanTex]

7. Hopefully people who thought Bush and Gore were the same have by now come to their senses.

IMO, electing and supporting Dems is the way to stop this. Controversial, I know, but maybe it's time to realize who the real bad guys are.

[LittleBlue]

8. They always have won

With few exceptions since the beginning of civilization. Where's the graphic showing the wealth concentration for the top 1% unchanged for 200 years? Tells you everything.

[CJCRANE]

23. Don't fall for the FUD

or the attempts to split the Democratic Party.

[FSogol]

28. Exactly. GOTV and they stop winning.

[Skraxx]

27. Uhh, No, They Are Not Winning, This is a REACTIONARY Decision Because They KNOW They Are LOSING

In the long run, progress ALWAYS wins. They know this so they are trying to rig the game and halt progress. They will fail.

Look at history.

100 years ago, where were we? No civil rights, no unions, no child labor laws, no social programs etc.

Progress always wins in the long run. Civilizations progress and build on past progress. Yes, civilizations crumble and fall, but then new one's are built on top of the old and progress continues.

The USSC decision is a bad one, it is a step in the wrong direction. But it is only one step back in the grand scheme.

"The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

MLK was not a naive man, and I firmly believe in the truth of these words.

[hobbit709]

36. Meanwhile the 99% still lose no matter what.

The proles exist only to be sucked dry by the elite

[Skraxx]

40. If that's why you believe you exist, then I suspect that's true for you, but not for me

I can tell you that. I suck dry the marrow of life and create my own reason for existence.

Feel free to live your live believing the way you do, I can't imagine the bleakness involved, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

[hobbit709]

44. My illusions about the system were burnt away a long time ago.

It started fading about 1966, by the time I finished my servitude to the government in 1973, it had pretty much vanished.

[dionysus]

35. FUD combined with "hey look at meeeeeeee!!!1!1!1!!"

[Bobbie Jo]

45. Scored a twofer with this one.

[CJCRANE]

37. Over? Did you say OVER!!!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[BeyondGeography]

39. See post #29

[CJCRANE]

43. ...

[JTFrog]

41. Thanks to the administrators of DU, there is still some sane commentary to be found here.

Pic Of The Moment: Proof That Both Parties Aren't The Same
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017184612

Pic Of The Moment: March Enrollment Surge Turns Anti-ACA Propagandists Into April Fools
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017184410

Who nominated them, and how they voted...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024769146

[MineralMan]

46. You've convinced me finally, Manny. I'm giving up.

I'm just going to sit on my ass and not even try to get Democrats elected in 2014 to Congress.

You win. I'm defeated.

Defeated-Way MineralManny

Oh, wait...FUCK THAT SHIT!

[leftynyc]

52. More drama queen crap

Make sure you stay away from cliffs or knives - you sound like you're heading in that direction.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Undoubtedly, the candidates of both parties will turn down corporate money....won't they?

[lillypaddle]

55. Guess we're too busy

being cool and tearing each other & the POTUS apart. Yes, I give a fuck. Do you?