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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/06/watch-u-s-senator-gets-so-angry-at-cheneys-torture-defense-that-he-offers-to-waterboard-him/(snip)
Sen. Angus King, who is on the intelligence committee, (I-ME) reacted to Cheneys comments during a Sunday appearance on MSNBC.
I was stunned to hear that quote from Vice President Cheney, King explained. If he doesnt think that was torture, I would invite him anywhere in the United States to sit in a waterboard and go through what those people went through, one of them a hundred and plus-odd times.
Thats ridiculous to make that claim! This was torture by anybodys definition, he continued. John McCain says its torture, and I think hes in a better position to know this than Vice President Cheney. I was shocked to hear that statement that he just made.
And to say that it was carefully managed, and everybody knew what was going on, thats absolutely nonsense.
(end snip)
Amen.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and cheer it on. Be a man dick, and show us just how it wasn't torture. You would be man enough to take it dick, right?
Fucking bastard.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is cover his own crimes, being he was part of that massive criminal enterprise.
While I'm glad to see a Republican admit that crimes were committed, I'm wondering why he is 'stunned' by Cheney's attempt to excuse torture, he's been doing it since 2003, and so far, shamefully, is still walking around free.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)isn't a murderous, torturing monster. He has bragged about it enough times. He's never made a secret of it.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)would be certain intellectually that there is no danger, that they are not in the hands of a true enemy, and would have knowledge of what is coming.
It is hard to create a parallel to what had to be going through the minds of those tortured.
Separation
(1,975 posts)For those of us that have gone through S.E.R.E. school it's a mixed bag. At times I knew that I only had 3 days to go, but them getting beaten, sleep deprivation, and yes water boarding wiped that idea out of my head at the time. On the other hand sere was more of what to expect at a minimum and how to conduct yourself.
Let's just say we carried vasoline in our flight bags and didn't learn that from sere.
he HAS to believe that he was doing the right thing , otherwise he could not stand to look in the mirror and see himself for what he is : a monster in human form , with no soul and no conscience .
2naSalit
(86,776 posts)vampires have no reflection in mirrors so...
pscot
(21,024 posts)MurrayDelph
(5,301 posts)We might be able to finally pay off the war debt.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Treant
(1,968 posts)The Tin Man was the one without a heart, and he only rusted when in contact with water.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Cheney and others may yet end up facing justice.
I have that much hope.
malaise
(269,157 posts)as if it wasn't their decision - last I heard from that war criminal, he couldn't recall a fugging thing.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... have the power bring not just this evil scumbag, but also the rest of his war criminal cohorts, to justice, have given them a free pass, it's hard to be surprised that these monsters are still viable voices (for some) for anything.
Bless Sen Angus King for having the ethics and humanity to speak truth to power.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)hearings on whether or not to release the other photos chose to go view them, some refused, probably so they could have some kind of plausible deniability? When he emerged from the viewing of those photos he was visibly shaken, and responded to Cheney's criticisms of the process by telling him to 'Let us do our job Mr. VP, what we just saw was TORTURE'. That was a rare break with the Bush gang for a Republican at the time.
But it didn't last long, his shock that the US was torturing people, men, women AND even children. Either he got a phone call and was threatened, or he recovered from his shock all by himself, but he was silent after that, voting the 'right' way on issues related to this later on. I'm going with the first option.
It will take EVERYONE speaking out to defang the monsters who did this and are still roaming around being interviewed as if they were not criminals.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)"This shall not be left to stand."
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)of torture.
You're absolutely right. Let us do whatever we can
to keep this very fresh in people's minds. The above-linked
article re Japanese is still current and powerful, I just shared
it on FB.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)and she was "shaken" too.
Both of them pledged that they would not rest until "justice" was done.
Took about an hour for that to wear off, and they returned to their previous personas.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)seeing on TV as we watched those hearings, hoping something would be done about it. But haven't found anything so far.
Graham was probably struck by a moment of conscience after viewing that horrific proof of our depravity. But he got over it pretty fast, as did Hillary, who airc, when running for the WH did say something about torture ONLY being acceptable under certain conditions. That ended for me any thoughts of ever supporting her for any powerful office.
G_j
(40,370 posts)I still wonder how someone can see photos (evidence) of a crime, and not be held accountable yourself for doing nothing about it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)office would have to deal with the public's reaction rather than make some decision among themselves that it was 'best for the country' (meaning the criminals and their enablers) not to see them.
I remember all the court battles over whether or not they should be released. I would not have supported releasing them IF something had been done about the crimes btw.
Then nothing, years of reports on court hearings, and then the whole thing went away. I just read that this was due to a decision by the Obama administration.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Don't you just love war criminal chickenhawks?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Fucking chicken hawk.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)And not just him.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)He's got that Maine bluntness--he doesn't dress up his language.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)zero bullshit or egomania, to the naked eye at least.
This video of him is going to get a lot of mileage I think.
He is speaking for many people, and doing it well.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Left of center on social issues, moderate on fiscal stuff. With a few minor exceptions, my only 'beef' w/him was an expensive business equipment tax reimbursement program (BETR) that he put in place. In his defense however, a lot of state governors and legislatures were doing that kind of stuff in the 90's/early aughts.
Your instincts as to his character are dead-on. What you see is what you get w/Angus. A straight-forward, decent guy overall.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)I think he was the station's general manager, or something similar.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Pay-per-view revenue might generate enough to buy a carrier or two.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)you have sent a shiver down me timbers.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)As a matter of fact, (just like a dead person) he has no heart beat at all!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Shrub, Darth Cheney, Rumsferatu, Condosleeza Rice, and Wolfowitz should all have to face each other in the arena. And whomever is left gets waterboarded.
Duval
(4,280 posts)nefarious characters!
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)you know what Tributes are. These asses would be entertaining because of their cowardice.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)mimicking Karla Tucker. "Please don't kill me; please don't kill me."
erronis
(15,328 posts)Feith appears to be the larval form of a Cheney or Rove - he made me sick just to look at his pasty face explaining our murderous policies. Yoo is the scarier - smart lawyer in the pay of the devil.
I'd also throw in all of those Capitans of Industry - the MIPC who stole millions from the Americans by profiteering off the war. They are all accomplices in murder and should be tried, just like we did after the Great Wars - remember how we treated Prescott Bush, Krup, Ford...
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)The Wizard
(12,547 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)and heinous crimes against nature and our government, then his kind will continue to gain power in the world.
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Blunt truth on a Sunday talk show? I'm stunned and amazed."
...mince words.
Senator Angus King on House Republicans: They Hate Government. They Dont Want Government To Work.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023743940
Sen. Angus King: Conservatives Who Urge People To Avoid Obamacare Are 'Guilty Of Murder'
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sen-angus-king-conservatives-who-urge-people-to-avoid-obamacare-are-guilty-of-murder
I heart him.
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)I want to hear them quoted like this. Mark Udall is running for re-election this November. He better start making some noise because that creepy ass teabagger Cory Gardiner is nipping at his heels and he's got the $$$ behind him (and in front of him and up his ass and in his pockets.)
Rex
(65,616 posts)They are the biggest plague to hurt America since I don't know when. I don't know if they initially decided to hurt America from their very beginning as a party, but they sure are proud of it now! So proud that they couldn't wait to spread misery and war to others far away.
I hate republicans.
Stuart G
(38,445 posts)Link to it, it will be viral soon....or already is..
Cheney will or will not answer....
But the truth is seen, as to who is a liar, and who is not.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)but the saving of the nation....
OR we COULD just turn him over to the ICC....which should have happened 6 years ago.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Notice all the other neo-con war criminals are coming out of the woodwork.
pragmatic_dem
(410 posts)from jail for her crimes against humanity.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)The fact that this sneering disease isn't behind bars for the rest of his worthless life is proof of the total corruption of our legal system. Christ, what a waste of skin, to say nothing of hearts.
2banon
(7,321 posts)resurrecting these f**k jobs and trotting them on their shows. I'm so glad I'm not contributing financial support to the Ministry of Neo Con Propaganda and their shills vis a vis cable or satellite.
[Alert: Jumping on my soap box]
That's right folks, your monthly cable/sat bills fund this bullshit. Comcast, Direct TV et al, actually fund Dick Cheney's platform. If knowing this isn't enough for progressives (hell, moderate liberals even) to cease and desist volunteering monthly payments to the institutions which serve to prop up Neo Con's personally, their agenda and their campaigns, what will?
[End Soap Box]
2banon
(7,321 posts)but generally caucuses with the Dems.. interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_King
mainer
(12,029 posts)He's fiscally conservative but socially liberal. He and his wife were way out ahead of the curve in supporting gay marriage.
2banon
(7,321 posts)In any event, not an anti-intellectual, very much into Conservation and Sustainable energy. There's my idea of a Conservative I can actually have a conversation with. And I'm certainly impressed with his call out on Cheney's torture comment!
mainer
(12,029 posts)I wish he could be President, but an Independent has no chance.
Jasana
(490 posts)go through the waterboarding process 5 times with no way to stop it and then see if he thinks it's torture. I bet this dirtbag couldn't maintain one of his "stress positions" for 15 minutes before staring to cry like a baby. He truly is horrible.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Yes, We Did Execute Japanese Soldiers for Waterboarding American POWs
- Tell Dick he owes some apologies.......
paleotn
(17,959 posts)mainer
(12,029 posts)Just proves you don't have to be a Dem to be a good senator.
mainer
(12,029 posts)"An unarmed North American with healthcare."
Thanks, I hadn't heard that one before.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)On the head of Christ 2000 years ago -- the Republicans of yesteryear.
Five military deferments Cheney is beneath contempt in his excuse making
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)We see time and time again some guy lying down, with a cloth over his mouth, water poured from a bottle and it's described as water boarding.
Real water boarding looks nothing like that, Video's from the arrest of Jack Idema show what real waterboarding looks like
Google Video search "Jack Idema Torture" to see real waterboarding
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)Cheney is a monster.
Response to deminks (Original post)
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Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)"You give me Dick Cheney, a waterboard and one hour, and I'll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders."
Wolf
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)nilesobek
(1,423 posts)more and more people are challenging the neo-cons. We know we have the upper hand because they broke the law.
The frame is coming undone Mr. Cheney, what are you going to do?
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Please.
Someone be sure to take a video for YouTube.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)4bucksagallon
(975 posts)mainer
(12,029 posts)Our best hope yet: http://bellowsforsenate.com/
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)for war crimes. The entire cartel belongs on trial.
pragmatic_dem
(410 posts)have shown any accountability to the majority of United States citizens.
A report like this is nothing more than negotiating collateral between the White House, Congress, and the security services that operate as a fourth, hidden branch of government.
They are all too big to fail institutions, brittle and walled off from the public, intolerant of criticism. They are answerable to no one.
History predicts that the perpetrators will be bailed out at the expense of justice and the public.
Again. And. Again.
Washington is a den of poisonous snakes.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Away from the hearing room, he told the Washington Post that he had sought his deferments because "I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/01/politics/campaign/01CHEN.html
spicegal
(758 posts)Waterboarding is clearly torture, and it wasn't the only enhanced technique utilized.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)nor indignation will put Cheney in prison for treason and war crimes.
guss
(239 posts)He Shot his bff in the face and made him apologize for it. You think that for a second that Cheney would treat Prisoners of war less then what he would do to a rabid animal on his property. hes an asshole! and the programs that put him on tv are just as bigger assholes. they just let him hand out shit sandwiches.. with out any questions as to why we gotta keep getting shit sandwiches from him. hes a liar and a traitor. burn burn burn