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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:16 PM Apr 2014

Westboro Baptists protest Moore, OK. Residents rout them and run them off.

The ragged remnants of the Westboro Baptist Church staged a protest at Central Junior High School in Moore, OK, to underscore their belief that the massive tornado that devastated the town last year was "God's wrath" against "phony 'Christians.'"

Pretty much the whole town showed up to counter-protest...and then started crossing the street towards the Westboro protesters in an ever-growing wave...and the Westboro people scattered like geese and ran.

Oh yeah, this.

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Westboro Baptists protest Moore, OK. Residents rout them and run them off. (Original Post) WilliamPitt Apr 2014 OP
Run, you asshats! Run! LeftofObama Apr 2014 #1
I bet the losers already have a case filed, "state failed to protect our 1st amendment rights" snooper2 Apr 2014 #2
The state doesn't have to. It only cannot restrict them hobbit709 Apr 2014 #8
Police have no legal duty to protect citizens unless in custody, IronGate Apr 2014 #9
That doesn't sound right - what if they witness an assault? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #14
No, they do not. IronGate Apr 2014 #19
Which is another reason why the Second Amendment is on the books derby378 Apr 2014 #30
Welcome to DU, IronGate! calimary Apr 2014 #31
None. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #59
Run Away! Run Away! amb123 Apr 2014 #3
wonderful when groups of extremist fundies battle each other. it's god's will lol nt msongs Apr 2014 #4
That's exactly what this is LordGlenconner Apr 2014 #20
Now that's Feral Child Apr 2014 #5
Will you look at that, a cop using a bicycle tire for self defence. At 0.56 oneshooter Apr 2014 #6
and it was effective too! irisblue Apr 2014 #22
If they had been near a grocery store it could have taken years and cost millions of lives. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #40
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #7
A cousin of mine is among those who helped run those assholes out of town. Aristus Apr 2014 #10
Cool davidpdx Apr 2014 #18
Agree with davidpx. Brigid Apr 2014 #21
Pride. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #32
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RKP5637 Apr 2014 #54
"I hate Illinois Nazis" Not Sure Apr 2014 #11
These folks are jokes now AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #12
Moore Strong!!! Ghislaineldy Apr 2014 #13
Thanks for posting and welcome!!! OldHippieChick Apr 2014 #23
Welcome to DU, Ghislaineldy AND ALSO AcertainLiz calimary Apr 2014 #28
Tremendous first post. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #33
Welcome to DU! gopiscrap Apr 2014 #41
thanks Ghislaineldy! Skittles Apr 2014 #47
Looking for Lawsuits ... busterbrown Apr 2014 #15
They have been run out of many towns accross the nation hootinholler Apr 2014 #16
Sooner or later the police won't be able to stop a crowd Lurks Often Apr 2014 #17
Another good one, WRP. n/t Duval Apr 2014 #24
When they showed up in Times Square, NYPD put them in a metal cage JPZenger Apr 2014 #25
Imagine crowds chanting "USA! USA! USA!" and chasing off antiwar activists. How would that be? n/t xocet Apr 2014 #26
They tried. Their numbers were pathetic. They accomplished nothing. bullwinkle428 Apr 2014 #27
That might very well be so, but that is beside the point. xocet Apr 2014 #29
There is nothing peaceful about hate speech ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #34
You don't have to be sorry. However, you do have to show that what they were doing is illegal. xocet Apr 2014 #37
I don't have to show anything ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #39
Remember that when others who do not share your opinion cross a police line to force you out of the xocet Apr 2014 #42
Blah blah blah Desert805 Apr 2014 #44
Really. That is what you comprehend. n/t xocet Apr 2014 #49
I get what you're getting at ... however, there's some 'protests' that are so blatantly fucked up brett_jv Apr 2014 #60
I think you're right in this. LiberalAndProud Apr 2014 #58
Wat? WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #46
That is not a very intelligent story, though. You better go back for a rewrite. xocet Apr 2014 #48
What specific laws did the counter-protesters break LanternWaste Apr 2014 #55
Oh how that made me smile !!!! SamKnause Apr 2014 #35
MY UNCLE is the one crossing the street at 45 secs in Heddi Apr 2014 #36
Pride. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #45
A nationalist mob threatening to attack peaceful protesters is not a good thing... Taitertots Apr 2014 #38
Nationalist? Huh? Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #57
That is a pretty quaint defense of a nationalist mob running people out of town Taitertots Apr 2014 #61
and the Westboro people scattered like geese and ran. malaise Apr 2014 #43
Awesome! LittleGirl Apr 2014 #50
Too bad SCOTUS didn't have the guts to stop this type of crap. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #51
And OK, no less! Congratulations to Moore, OK. RKP5637 Apr 2014 #52
Wow, they're no longer embracing a message of hate Zambero Apr 2014 #53
Look at these idiots TRoN33 Apr 2014 #56

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. The state doesn't have to. It only cannot restrict them
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:56 PM
Apr 2014

the government did nothing to restrict their right to be assholes.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
14. That doesn't sound right - what if they witness an assault?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:42 PM
Apr 2014

Don't they have an obligation to stop it? or to intervene?

Bryant

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
19. No, they do not.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:47 PM
Apr 2014

The SCOTUS has ruled that the police have no legal duty to intervene or protect individual citizens unless in custody.
http://policelink.monster.com/training/articles/2152-supreme-court-police-have-no-liability-for-failing-to-enforce-a-restraining-order-

Law Enforcement generally has no constitutional duty to protect citizens from third party harm.




Altough I can't for the life of me see any cop not intervening in a crime in progress, but cops and cities can't be sued for not intervening and protecting a citizen.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
30. Which is another reason why the Second Amendment is on the books
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:40 PM
Apr 2014

If nobody else will protect you, you have the inherent right to protect yourself.

calimary

(81,746 posts)
31. Welcome to DU, IronGate!
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:41 PM
Apr 2014

Good to have you with us! No comment other than - I'm glad these assholes were run outta town. They can take their hatred and bigotry and other social toxins and stuff it all. THEY are the ones who are un-American, and THOROUGHLY un-Christian, in my opinion anyway.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
20. That's exactly what this is
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:48 PM
Apr 2014

I live about 30 minutes from Moore (population 55,000 so the "whole town" wasn't out to protest) and it is chock full of fundie shmucks. I'd be willing to bet 90 percent of the people that appeared in that video have an extreme level of hate for the President, and Democrats in general.

Still kind of funny to see them routed, though.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
6. Will you look at that, a cop using a bicycle tire for self defence. At 0.56
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:53 PM
Apr 2014

Could he be related to a DU member?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
18. Cool
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:47 PM
Apr 2014

Maybe he or she could provide more information as to what happened from a personal perspective and you could post it. The backstory on these types of things are as interesting as the outcome.

Ghislaineldy

(1 post)
13. Moore Strong!!!
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:39 PM
Apr 2014

I was in the thick of it and left just 2 mins. before they rushed Westboro.. Our town has suffered horrible losses with 23 of our precious children taken from us in the tornadoes last May..They said it was God's retribution for our godless town.. Mind you, there is a church on every other block it seems..The last time they came here, their tires were flattened and no one would help them..I am proud of my town and the people of Moore...

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
23. Thanks for posting and welcome!!!
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:05 PM
Apr 2014

Members of my church have actually travelled to Moore to help in rebuilding. Such a much better use of resources.

calimary

(81,746 posts)
28. Welcome to DU, Ghislaineldy AND ALSO AcertainLiz
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:37 PM
Apr 2014

Glad both of you are here! Glad this is the prevailing opinion in Moore OK. Those assholes who wrap their bigotry and hatred around the Cross of Christ - they're the ones who just don't get it. Glad it's being taken directly to them and in their faces!

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
16. They have been run out of many towns accross the nation
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:44 PM
Apr 2014

A couple of years ago they came to Frederick Md. and the local LGBT club at the community college organized a counter protest with similar results.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
17. Sooner or later the police won't be able to stop a crowd
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:47 PM
Apr 2014

I'm sure that at least a couple of the police there went "Oh shit, we get to be the ones blamed for allowing Westboro Baptist get the crap kicked out of them".

And when the inevitable occurs and the police aren't able to stop the crowd, there are going to be a bunch of Westboro Baptist members in the hospital.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
25. When they showed up in Times Square, NYPD put them in a metal cage
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:13 PM
Apr 2014

When the Westboro Cult showed up for their protest in Times Square, the NYC Police put them in a metal cage for their own protection.

I'm surprised they still have that many followers. Usually they threaten to show up, and then don't, or only send 2 guys.

We should never refer to them as a "Church".

bullwinkle428

(20,632 posts)
27. They tried. Their numbers were pathetic. They accomplished nothing.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:24 PM
Apr 2014

Photos were posted at DU. More Porta-Potties than pro-war demonstrators.

xocet

(3,878 posts)
29. That might very well be so, but that is beside the point.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:40 PM
Apr 2014

However vile the Phelps Hateful Loon Convention is (I do not agree with or support anything that they stand for), they should not be routed from a public place in which they are legally staging a "peaceful protest" - if, indeed, that is what they were doing.

xocet

(3,878 posts)
37. You don't have to be sorry. However, you do have to show that what they were doing is illegal.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:41 PM
Apr 2014

If it is illegal, the police should handle the problem. It should not be handled by a mob unless you favor vigilantism.

Please enlighten me as to what statute would allow for them to be removed if there is one.

Additionally, you seemed to miss the point of the quotation marks around peaceful protest; to wit, "..."peaceful protest....""






ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
39. I don't have to show anything
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 07:47 PM
Apr 2014

No one in that mob touched them. They ran, like the cowards they are, when they were shouted down by people also exercising free speech. Westboro is nothing more than a bunch of bullies who use hate speech to rile people up. Challenge them, and they flee.

xocet

(3,878 posts)
42. Remember that when others who do not share your opinion cross a police line to force you out of the
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:45 PM
Apr 2014

area.

Your position is very short-sighted. That being said, you are totally correct to say that the Phelps Hateful Loon Convention does use hate speech to rile people up. Yes, it feels good to see them have to leave an area, but it is wrong to advance on them and celebrate that kind of approach unless violence is the desired eventual goal.

So, when violence eventually occurs through the adoption of your allowed tactics, what will you say then?

A) That's mighty refreshing: I like seeing the old red krovvy flow and plesk.

B) Maybe, setting up conflicts between crowds is not such a good idea. It could have been me and my group.

C) WTF. Oh well, it doesn't affect me, and most people agree with my opinions.

D) None of the above: ...(fill in your own rhetoric here)....

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
60. I get what you're getting at ... however, there's some 'protests' that are so blatantly fucked up
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:44 PM
Apr 2014

and inflammatory, and just flat-out WRONG ... that nobody is going to fret about it when 'nature takes it's course' ... esp. when it's really just because the police are legitimately unable to contain the anger of the much larger throng of people who are obviously in the right.

What, were they supposed to hire a bunch of outside help to come in and 'protect' the 'right' of these Westboro fucks to roll in from out of town to 'protest' the people who live there? C'mon ...

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
58. I think you're right in this.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014

The counter protesters had every right to be there too, but when physical confrontation is threatened, a line is crossed. For all that I hate what they say, protection of speech is where I'll land.

xocet

(3,878 posts)
48. That is not a very intelligent story, though. You better go back for a rewrite.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:17 AM
Apr 2014

If emotion is all you have, then you have no argument. If you have an argument, provide it. If you cannot, that is ok, but your form of argumentation is pathetic for someone who is to some extent a writer and possibly an intellectual.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. What specific laws did the counter-protesters break
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:30 AM
Apr 2014

What specific laws did the counter-protesters break? None? Ok...

(And when I was "chased off" from a war protest, it was due to beer-bottles and rocks rather than sentiment)

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
36. MY UNCLE is the one crossing the street at 45 secs in
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:31 PM
Apr 2014

to confront them. They hauled ass after that.

Don't mess with a pissed off veteran biker nicknamed "Frenchy" hehe

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
38. A nationalist mob threatening to attack peaceful protesters is not a good thing...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:52 PM
Apr 2014

No matter how much you disagree with their opinions.

But don't let that stop the two minutes hate.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
57. Nationalist? Huh?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:16 PM
Apr 2014

Nationalist-
noun

noun: nationalist; plural noun: nationalists 1. a person who advocates political independence for a country.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
61. That is a pretty quaint defense of a nationalist mob running people out of town
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:49 PM
Apr 2014

Adj. 1. nationalist - devotion to the interests or culture of a particular nation including promoting the interests of one country over those of others

But don't let that stop you from hating the people who have done nothing to make your life worse and worshiping the people who have done nothing to make your life any better.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
56. Look at these idiots
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:31 AM
Apr 2014

They literally packed into their black van really fast. I wonder if these Westboro idiots have practiced with that before? Americans, rise up and stand up to these most hateful group of this age.

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