VOLKSWAGENS NEW 300 MPG CAR NOT ALLOWED IN AMERICA

[nadinbrzezinski]

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And while the source is not precisely the best...

we all learned something, like the vehicle is actually real, it is an X vehicle, and the engine is going onto a Production model next year.

Thanks for those of you who actually do discuss things in a mature way. We all learn things from each other, though not everybody is in for the learning things, but to make fun of people. I just love it, how that is all some folks are interested in.

We call that behavior bully behavior in polite company.

Oh and here better sources.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/volkswagen-xl1-concept-first-drive-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-review

And this is cool, they took one to NYC streets.

http://jalopnik.com/we-drove-the-261-mpg-volkswagen-xl1-in-manhattan-becaus-1482688104

OP will remain for the users of this site to enjoy the bullies and character assassins.

[Agschmid]

1. You lost me here...

in fact it has even been denied a tour of America because it is too efficient for the American public to be made widely aware of,

This article is a bit closer to reality: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-review

[Mnpaul]

36. The guys over at Jalopnik got a drive as well

The rearview "mirrors" in the doors would be strange(see last pic).
http://jalopnik.com/we-drove-the-261-mpg-volkswagen-xl1-in-manhattan-becaus-1482688104

[Agschmid]

40. Cool read thanks!

[pnwmom]

131. This is when it lost me:

From your link:

Just 45.4 inches tall, the XL1 is half an inch lower than a Lambor­ghini Gallardo, and it would be impossible for anyone but Tom Thumb dipped in Vaseline to enter through conventional doors. Even so, normal people climbing in have to bow deeply under the forward-winged hatches, step over a sill that is nearly a foot wide, and drop into a body that clears the ground by a mere three inches. I

[Agschmid]

135. I've been dipped in Vaseline before...

It wasn't for driving... and well let's just say I maybe talked about it on "another" underground site

[Brickbat]

2. Not allowed in America...except for the tour of America they took last December.

Limited by road restrictions, of course.

(Full disclosure: Volkswagen is taking three XLs on tour around the U.S. at the moment, and while they're extremely limited in where they can go on public roads for a variety of reasons, the your Jalopnik staff talked VW into letting us all take the briefest of spins around Manhattan. Here's what we all thought of it.)

http://jalopnik.com/we-drove-the-261-mpg-volkswagen-xl1-in-manhattan-becaus-1482688104

[Blue_Tires]

3. Here's some info from a slightly less nutty source:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-review

It's clear Jim Stone knows jack shit about cars...90% of that piece was from the Greenwald school of "Pulling imaginary facts out of my ass to prove how right I am..."

[Agschmid]

4. +1

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Thanks

but his claim that it is not being allowed on US Roads, sounds true. Would not be the first time, and there are many technologies that the industry has bought to keep from production.

And in the world of climate change that is the nutty part.

But thanks, it explains the tech better, and if it a modified EV-1, there is an opportunity lost too.

And from your source

or one capable of averaging 1.0 liter/100 km of fuel consumption. That’s a target of 235 mpg, nearly five times better than a Toyota Prius’s EPA combined rating. And VW claims to have beaten it. Continued...

That is what caught my eye, the efficiency 

And the rest of the article points out that the ENGINE, this is an X car, will be installed in 2015 in European Golfs

[Brickbat]

20. "his claim that it is not being allowed on US Roads, sounds true."

Except it's not.

[tridim]

41. I could tell that article was yanking us just by the wording. Always be skeptical. nt

[Warpy]

5. My guess is that it's not allowed in the US

because it's failed one or more NHTSA standards.

It's easy to make a super efficient car if you make it light enough. It's harder to make one that will allow its occupants to live through a 35 MPH crash.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. THis is not an indian car

it has to meet European standards, which are not slackers either.

[lostincalifornia]

13. I agree or clean air standards. There are cars such as the volt or Tesla

That can go without gas. The volt indefinitely if doing driving within a a 40 mile on a charge before gas is used, and other cars using similar technologies that essentially can get indefinite mpg depending how it is driven

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. This is a hybrid power plant

It's emission standards are likely the same as my honda civic. It is an X platform, cleared already, but the POWER PLANT will go into them evil Golfs

[lostincalifornia]

52. Then it is something else nadinbrzezinski that be isn't pushing it. Maybe they do not believe

People will buy it because they are pricing it to high for the market, or some other business decision then

For instance if a company wants to release a medical technology they have to go a long FDA process which is costly, and a long process. I worked on a mammography product that the company decided not to pursue in the US market because they did not want to go through the FDA process

Intuitive just released their next release of their robotic surgery technology, and the FDA has given its approval to the next stage, but it will take some years before it gets to market here. This isn't a criticism of the system, just the way it is.

They may have something similar for autos. There are cars in Europe which are never marketed here, but that is the companies decision for one reason or another

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. So you know, safety standards in Germany in particular,

put ours to shame. Also they are committed to lowering their production of gasses.

I know this for a fact, we are not really that special.

[lostincalifornia]

188. I have no doubt. All I am saying is it is VWs choice

I suggested maybe they didn't think it would sell well here verses their cost, I don't know

I think it is VWs decision

[nadinbrzezinski]

191. As we found out from others

And car and driver, this is an X-Vehicle. Power plant will go to the European version of the Golf, which sells in the US.

I raise the issue about standards because it is maddening, things like emissions. Chrysler took tje Mexican government all the way to the Mexican Supreme Court when they were finally required to put emission controls for internal consumption models. Never mind they were installing them on the ones going to California. (So did GM and Ford).

VW had them standard, since it was cheaper to just keep the line in Puebla running than stopping to change that (plus they were mandated in Europe).

At times I think the quarterly profit/ loss sheet has taken over everything we do.

I hope the Golf comes to the US soon. We really need to do something about climate change, at times it feels we are giving lip service and that's it.

[lostincalifornia]

204. you are right about the quarterly profit/loss, and that can be laid directly at wall street. Very

few companies now think long term, it is only making the quarterly expectations.

We definitely need something to get off of fossil fuels. Global warming must be addressed, and we are running out of time

[nadinbrzezinski]

205. Wall Street

The Wharton school of business and other schools that adopted the methods, the Chicago school of economics. I lay it at all of them.

[tammywammy]

16. Or they're only making 250, so why ship a $150k car to the US to sell a handful.

Why go through all the safety testing, etc to sell a handful of cars. There are many other models VW makes that aren't for sale in the US.

[Warpy]

113. Probably a factor also

If they ever go into full production and go to tubular frame members filled with either styrofoam or urethane foam so it will be light weight and still survivable in a crash, we might eventually get them here.

In the meantime, there are a couple of three wheel cars out there that would do just fine as city/suburb cars. I believe their MPG is somewhere between Smart Car and Harley.

[Historic NY]

8. Well there is more........@$146k I'd buy the Tesla.

The best we've been able to suss out thus far is that the Volkswagen XL1 will be expensive. Like six-figure, "as much as a nicely detailed Audi A6," expensive (we're assuming that Audi bit is European pricing). Given that this is a hand-built, hyper-aerodynamic, plug-in-diesel vehicle – and one that VW will only make 250 of – it's not at all surprising that it'll be a ride for the upper class. Thanks to a report in Wirtschafts Woche, we finally have a potential price tag for the 261-mpg car: 111,000 euros, or a little over US $146,000. VW tells Wirtschafts Woche that there should be plenty of demand for the car at that price from collectors and enthusiasts, even though we heard earlier that the car will likely be available for lease only.

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/09/04/vw-xl1-to-carry-145000-price-tag/

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/11/2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-review-video/

Engine:
800cc Turbo-Diesel I2 + e-motor
Power:68 HP / 103 LB-FT
Transmission -Speed DSG
0-60 Time:12.5 Seconds (est.)
Drivetrain:Rear-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight:1,953 LBS
Seating:2
Cargo:4.2 CU-FT
MPG: 261 (max est.)
Base Price:
NA

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. From what Blue Tires posted it is more of an X platform

but... the powerplant is expected to go into EUROPEAN Golfs in 2015

[berni_mccoy]

9. I get 80+ mpg on my Chevy Volt. I'm pretty happy with that.

Thanks, I'll buy an American made auto that has the most promise. If I could afford a Tesla and it had the range I needed, I'd get one of those, but I can't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. That was not the point

we have had tech held back,

We are in the midst of a climate crisis... and that is a luxury we might not have.

Anyway, according to that source the vehicle is creating American jobs, Blue Tires source tells me not really, but the power plant will be put into the pretty egalitarian European versions of the Golf

[berni_mccoy]

19. Nah

Thanks to Obama, the tech has progressed. Chevy wouldn't have developed the Volt without pressure to improve fleet MPG in the U.S. and pressure from American competitors like Tesla.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Yes we all are familiar with the standards

imagine if the tech was NOT held back.

Sorry, this struck me as interesting, and you know what? IF we have tech developed by Martians that helps with climate change, I am willing to give it a whirl. I mean, we drive one of the EARLY hybrids.

[whistler162]

216. Oh come on... we all know Obama was in cohots with

old John D. and Standard Oil to disappear 1000/mpg engines.

[Historic NY]

37. They are all hand built at this point which means they either..

aren't able or, they themselves are unwilling, to make more then 250. We have much stricter regulations over diesel powered vehicles. If your going to quibble about that then, I welcome you to stand in the middle of London on a freaking record cold day and try breathing. Its always been that way between European and US engines versions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Or number three, this is an X car, proof of concept

and they are using the now tested technology in current production models as of 2015, which is the actual answer. Power plant is going to the rather economical GOLF

[Brickbat]

46. You realize the Golf isn't going to get 200+ mpg, right?

It's a completely different engine/motor combo.

[rudolph the red]

124. From the car and driver link:

"A similar system with four-cylinder-diesel/electric propulsion will be offered in the Golf hybrid due next year." With the added weight and a 4 cylinder, I would guess more in the 40-60 mpg range. Still, it's a step in the right direction

[lostincalifornia]

21. I have a volt and unless I drive long distance, I don't use any gas

[berni_mccoy]

23. I have a 176 mile round trip I drive 2-3 times a week.

and I still get 80+ mpg on it.

[lostincalifornia]

27. That is terrific Berni. I can get about 46 miles on a single charge. My

Commute isn't as bad as yours, but >80 mpg is great

[pintobean]

10. I hear Jay Polk drives one. /nt

[Brother Buzz]

38. I heard he was buried in it

[Brickbat]

47. I got a non-denial denial that he didn't.

[Agnosticsherbet]

12. Here is an Autolink's story. The car is not intended for production, according to Autolink.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/concept-cars/vw-reveals-new-300mpg-coupe

Apparantly, it is designed to prove the concept, but it is not buit to ever actually be produced.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. But the powerplant is

in a golf near you, if you live in Europe

[berni_mccoy]

22. I think you are missing the point. Some vehicles are never meant for wide adoption.

The one you linked to is one of them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. No I did not, it is an X car, like an X plane

proof of concept. Now that they have achieved their goal, the POWER PLANT is going into an every day vehicle NEXT YEAR. The GOLF HYBRID.

Read the link that Blue Iries posted above

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. Unless they go to the same great lengths to make a suer light car, it will never do 300 mpg

Concept cars are common in the auto industry. Parts of them always find their way into production vehicles. This will lead to a more efficient power train, but it won't bring 300 mpg cars.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. 250 will be good, as it will raise the overall efficiency of the fleet

and we need MORE of that, not less.

As to the oil companies yes, a lot of this tech has been held until fairly recently.

And no, it is not because of Obama, it is because a climate change crisis that is recognized abroad, here not so much.

[Hoyt]

15. I remember rumors in the 1970s that there was a gizmo that would get 200 mpg out of any car.

You couldn't buy it because Detroit bought the rights, so the story went. I laughed then too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Except this vehicle is real

and the engine will go to the Golf next year IN EUROPE

[itsrobert]

33. I'm sure it takes a while to implement new car production/design

Europe would be the first place to rollout, after all VW is an European company and gas prices are 2X/3X/4X the price that is in the United States. I don't think there is a conspiracy, just the matter of rollout. Plus, what if they launch all over at once with 500,000 cars and they discover a flaw in the engine? VW would be near bankrupt and their image would be tarnished.

[2naSalit]

35. My dad actually

invented something like that back in the 70s but because he was dying from cancer, his wife convinced him to trust the the Detroit/oil guys, take the money and they will make it. They were in a meeting with my dad one day when I just popped in to say hello, about six suits were there and didn't dare speak while I was there and asking what they were doing there.

They bought the rights and shelved it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Similar story with the guy who invented the Windshield wiper

he fought (and won) in the courts.

People really do not realize just how corrupt American companies can be

[2naSalit]

55. Not surprized.

I just Googled his name and came up with several references to his patent application etc. just to see what comes up these days. There are other names on it but I remember seeing the prototype for large applications at his home... and he explained in detail his application for combustion engines.

And as far as not allowing something to advance our investment in power generation conversion, lest we forget that a president and his henchmen sent thousands of our national guard folks to fight a war to protect his friends' investment in keep up the status quo for their benefit only... and look where that got us.

[Hoyt]

61. Like sone other entrepreneur wouldn't change a thing or two to make a billion.

Sorry, too many folks chasing a dollar for something like that - which is proven to work - to be shelved. If the VW car works, we'll get it here after a few years as they roll out most European cars before getting here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. The power plant is going on Golfs next year

...in Europe.

Look, there are many things that have made a lot of us cynical about corporations and the drive to the quarterly profit over the long term.

And yes, we have stories of things like the guy who invented the windshield wiper and the industry tried very hard to screw him over. He won in the end, but that is not common.

As is, yes, they have this in an X vehicle, it will go to a PRODUCTION MODEL next year in Europe, and when it reaches the US, like the SMART the power plant will be replaced for something far less efficient, or the mini for that matter.

(I hate to hit the wrong control)

[Hoyt]

70. I think VW would take a car like that and sell a zillion of them. There is no reason to hold back

once it is fleshed out and in production. If it is as economical to produce and buy as current VWs, other manufacturers will either shut down or pursue the same or better technology.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. That was the theory behind the mini

which is a very different beat in Europe

Here, just in general to mini cars and the industry

By contrast the little cars on display in Geneva are more affordable, but still designed to be fairly practical to own and fun to drive. Traditionally, top automakers have been loath to bring city cars to the U.S., arguing that American buyers lose interest when fuel prices moderate and seek better value in larger models.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140313/AUTO03/303130033#ixzz2yLsFzcdT

One reason the Mini grew in size and the power plant is actually different.

I would not mind an economical mini vehicle that at least could get to highway speeds for city driving. I would never take it to the back country, among other reasons lack of pavement in some of the places I drive, but for day to day city driving, I would love it.

[Hoyt]

130. If they actually thought they would sell, they'd bring them. Besides, you can buy one

and ship it here. You might have to make mods to meet our regulations. So go for it. Start advertising it, to make them ship it here in European configuration. Get preorders and become first dealer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

134. If I had a million to spare

But I don't.

[Hoyt]

145. Ah, now you are going to need investors, hence a corporation or partnership.

But you'll be producing something of great benefit to our society, a truly beneficial corporation, unless you get greedy.

They'll be plenty of investors if car is marketable here. I'll sell a few guitars to invest if it's that good and VW is not already planning to market it here (again, if it's that unique). Anyway, we can do a VW Telsa thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

169. They will deploy in Europe

And that is the way it is. By the way, VW and FIAT and Mercedes Benz already have dealerships

:facalm: they also have plants in the US

[Hoyt]

177. Lots of cars deploy there first, even a cool Ford Fiesta. Mercedes, Audis, BMW, VWs, newest technol

y almost always deploy there. I waited several years in the 70s waiting for US version of VW Scirroco to arrive here, then same with GTI .

[Mopar151]

178. A Version of the Engine - I repeat, a VERSION!

It will not have the spectacular performance of the prototype, but it still may be very good. The limited-production XL-1 can be built much closer to it's optimum configuration, ' 'cuz the $2200 super duper wheelbearing setup (American race car retrofit price) is a no-brainer there - but if you are trying to hit a price target under $40K, it's a bit of a stretch. And there are 25 + places in the car that need a decision like that.

Sadly, the posters here who allude to emissions and crash tests being a major obstacle to low-production exotics are right on the money. Some of my sportscar buddies mess with similar issues, sometimes in pretty odd iterations, i.e."trunk kits", greymarket imports, etc. But there is a 1-car lifetime exemption now, which lets some stuff in. (Mommy' , why does that Evowution have the steering wheel on the wrong side?)

Most of the "held off the market" stuff doesn't make it up to viable rumor level - the physics and chemistry just does'nt work.

[nadinbrzezinski]

183. True, but if this gives you a 200+ mpg

On a production model...

They are hard at trying to meet 2024 CAFE which this part off.

[2naSalit]

203. I suspect

you are right about that as I see the patent info all over Google associated with his name and the others involved in the invention/patent. Somebody's getting something out of it, just not we heirs.

I would still like to see something more efficient on the market at a price I can afford, don't care who makes it as long as it does what needs it to and is safe and efficient ... just get it done already and don't let the oiligarchs scare you out of it. The oil industry has run its course, time for something new and independent of the oiligarchs.

[defacto7]

182. Yep, I remember several stories

in the 70s similar to this. There were a lot of shelved technologies from the 70s and 80s that are still advanced to what we get from the auto industry today. It seems like such old news to me now and it's strange to me that a lot of people don't understand the amount of shelved inventions that could have changed the world back then... but just sort of disappeared. 100+mpg is not new by any means.

Same goes for the medical field.

[n2doc]

25. Prius already gets 50 mpg

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/best/bestworstNF.shtml

Many others get that on the highway, officially or not. I know people who own VW diesels who get that regularly on the highway.

And it is absurd to say that this is not imported due to fear of the oil companies. Just how many folks are going to buy a hand built $140K VW?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. How many are going to buy a 20K Golf

which is where the power plant is going into next year

[n2doc]

34. Many. If that happens

I'll believe that when I see it. VW has been very conservative about products here in the US. They just introduced a stripped Jetta TDI, I suspect that will be their bottom high MPG car for a while.

[tammywammy]

42. The Jetta TDI has been available for years.

There was a few years (2007-10?) when the diesel engine was being overhauled to meet US specs. I used to own a 2006 VW Beetle and got 42 mpg.

[Mnpaul]

45. They are also bringing in a 42mpg Passat

with a gas engine. It only has a 1.4 liter engine yet goes 0-60 in about 7 seconds.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. That Golf is not for US distribution

But they are putting that engine into a Golf. The question is why?

[tammywammy]

39. A gas Golf starts at $20k, the diesel starts at $25k and a hybrid Jetta starts at $27k

A Golf with this engine would probably start around $30k.

There are other engines that Volkswagen makes and aren't for sale in the US. The US is a much smaller market to them and there's significant cost associated with getting it approved and selling them here.

[tridim]

44. Raises both hands. Millions would.

[DJ13]

32. I bought a new Honda Civic with auto that reliably got 42 mpg

That was in 1984.

[tridim]

49. I'll never sell my 99 Civic.

It gets better mileage than most newer gasoline cars and it simply doesn't break.

Total repair costs over 12 years: $0.00

[kath]

180. Shoot, we can't even get 42 mpg out of our '08 Civic Hybrid.

[defacto7]

186. I have a new VW Jetta wagon TDI diesel...

No kidding, I get 47MPG easily on the hwy and that's even conservative. I have gotten as high as 68 on the highway under optimum conditions and really trying to squeeze out the mileage. It's not a tiny car either. $22,000 total cost after some dickering.

That's only slightly worse than my 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid which IS a much smaller car and about 1/4 the power.

[Mopar151]

206. TDI outperforms most "hybrids" in real-world driving

and the Smart? Compare performance stats, you'll be amazed......It's why tha Smart is pretty much a novelty act.

[SidDithers]

51. Jim Stone...

As an example of his offensive nuttiness:

This is an interesting Jewish discussion

While the American watch dog is STILL trying to warn the sheep that 9/11 was in fact done by Israel and not Arabs, the Jews are bickering about which GROUP of Jews did it, and whether or not it will produce a good long term outcome for Jews as a whole! UNBELIEVABLE!!!
I was shocked when this was not a hoax, I did not expect them to be so public about it Once inside their group however, you can get an idea of how they think, and how closed their community really is. I guess the real bombshell is that this was posted where we could all see it.

It's pretty fun to go through this and see one Jew bicker about what another Jew wrote about one of their conspiracies that so badly damaged us.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/bickering.html

I would bet most journalists would stay away from a source like that.

Sid

[maddezmom]

53. Please tell me it isn't the same Jim Stone?

http://www.wired.com/2012/01/jim-stone-fukushima/

[Agschmid]

56. It isn't...

Sometimes I lie.

This is one if those times.

[maddezmom]

57. Yeah just hit the link in the OP and it goes to this nutty site.... Woowoo

http://jimstonefreelance.com/slapintheface.html

[greatauntoftriplets]

64. My EYES!!!

That's one ugly website.

[maddezmom]

66. Some pretty sick stuff there

You'd think a journo would check their source before posting this garbage.

[greatauntoftriplets]

69. Yes, you would think so.

I've never run to what used to be called yellow journalism, though.

[Agschmid]

105. Yes it is, talk about an ugly style sheet!

[greatauntoftriplets]

106. Looks like the web version of a sensationalistic rag.

[tammywammy]

78. Holy shit

That's fucked up.

[maddezmom]

81. Yup, nadin needs to check her courses before posting from these sites

This isn't the first time she has had to walk back from some really scummy sources, as you can see she is doing again in her edit.

[tammywammy]

85. As a professional "journo"

You'd think she would have figured to fucking Google stuff.


My favorite part is how anyone calling her on her disgusting source or point out facts is a bully.

[maddezmom]

90. Yup, that bullying meme comes into play everytime she gets called on her nonsense

And I am sure we will hear again why she no longer posts OPs here on serious topics.

[dionysus]

89. ZOMG "9-11 was teh jooos"

this guys and his buddies are alex jones style crazy!

[maddezmom]

92. Yes, they are indeed. Sandy Hook was also a hoax according to Jim Stone

[SidDithers]

96. Jim Stone. Jim Jones was a whole 'nother kind of nutter...

Sid

[maddezmom]

100. Thanks....

I edited.

[SidDithers]

72. Yup. One and the same...nt

Sid

[maddezmom]

75. Sad this was posted as a serious item for discussion in GD

[Brother Buzz]

54. Shh!

[greatauntoftriplets]

58. "The Jews!" conspiracy crap!

[maddezmom]

63. Jim Stone is a full blown nutter.

[greatauntoftriplets]

68. After looking at his website, that's the nice way of putting it.

[SidDithers]

74. Lovely, eh?...nt

Sid

[greatauntoftriplets]

77. My instinct is to point and laugh at that garbage.

[dionysus]

80. from the nonwoo source, at 3 inches of clearance, and 4 inch wide tires, i'd total the thing on one

of our potholes here...

[zappaman]

94. 3 or 4 inches is about 6 meters,

So you should be fine.

[dionysus]

97. i can see the hubcap flying over a mile after it hits the pothole.

[Agschmid]

107. It would last about a second on 128...

I'm lucky there is any paint left on the front of my car after hitting all the rocks flying from the potholes.

[dionysus]

150. i lost a hubcap and cracked the hell out of another one on a pothole this "spring"

I think i'll take the rest of em off.. the black wheel looks cooler anyways... sigh

[Raksha]

227. If Jim Stone thought that was a "Jewish discussion" he linked to,

he's an even bigger fool than you realize, as well as being a yellow journalist. Did you happen to click on the link within the link? I did, and the byline "Barry Chamish" told me everything I needed to know. If you aren't familiar with him already, a quick Google search will be very enlightening.

The name sounds like it might be Jewish, but I don't believe he is although Barry Chamish has lived in Israel for many years. He's one of the biggest attention whores/whackjob conspiracy mongers on the planet, who masquerades as an investigative journalist. He first came to my attention after the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, when he wrote a book purporting to "prove" that Yigal Amir wasn't the real assassin. I don't remember the title offhand, but a quick Amazon search should refresh my memory.

Barry Chamish doesn't represent ANY faction of the Jewish community, although the lunatic right might find him useful at times. I tend to doubt it, though. He was considered a joke in Israel in the 1990s, and I'm sure his reputation hasn't improved since then.

[SidDithers]

228. Thanks for the additional info...

Jim Stone is a pretty odious customer, so I'm not surprised of his association with other odious customers.

Which makes the OP original use of Jim Stone as a source, and her subsequent defense of her use of Stone as a source, so ridiculous.

After 7 edits, the link to Stone's article was removed, but the Thread Title is still the one from Stone's article.

Sid

[dionysus]

59. nadin, you linked to a guy that'sfull of crap (again)

[zappaman]

60. In before the self delete!

[SidDithers]

76. What's the over/under on the number of edits that will be made to this OP?...nt

Sid

[dionysus]

95. my money is on an eventual self delete. vaht?

[davidpdx]

193. Nope

She doubled down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4797494

Sources don't matter anymore around here.

[SidDithers]

208. We're up to 5 edits...

and yet the link to the article, written by the guy who "was blown away by how accurate people like David Duke are with regard to the Jews", remains in the OP.

Amazing.

Sid

[snooper2]

214. 7 now LOL, I'll buy cake for everyone if we hit 10

[SidDithers]

67. More awesomeness from Jim Stone...

Post Benghasi analysis proves it was all faked.

First of all, no ambassador died at Bengasi, and if one did, SHOW ME THE FUNERAL. The press got so wagged up in the many permutations of their wag the dog, that they totally missed the funeral. All they published was a picture of 4 coffins that arrived in America on Sep 14, three days after the event. Coffin means BURIAL. Forensics were FINISHED. COFFIN MEANS NO REFRIGERATION, HE IS ROTTING, PUT HIM IN THE GROUND. It has been a month now, Yet no funeral for the ambassador. THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA BLEW IT.

The truth? Something happened at a CIA base located in Bengasi. Someone did die there. The coffins were sent to America. Those funerals were reported. None were for an "Ambassador." There was no consulate in Bengasi. The Department of State web site proves it.

Not linking again to his nutbar site.

You should be more careful with your sources, nadin. Remember the Kevin Martin mess?
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024570808

Sid

[zappaman]

71. Wtf?

That's a whole new level of batshit "Bengasi" crazy that I've never seen before!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

102. Indeed. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

99. Why are you repeatedly spamming this thread with that idiot's ravings? It was clear from

your first post that you don't approve of the linked source, and rightfully so.

So why the repeated posts? Is it because of who the OP is?

[zappaman]

104. Kinda glad someone has.

I like to know the names of batshit crazy repulsive racist motherfuckers like this in case anyone uses him as a source.
And I don't want to go to his site, so glad someone did.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

108. I said that the poster I addressed pointed it out "rightfully so". My question was why is the

poster repeatedly spamming the thread?

I understood that you were "glad someone has" pointed it out the first time you said it. You didn't have to repeat it again.

[zappaman]

110. I'm glad someone has. N/t

[ChisolmTrailDem]

111. Yes, you've made that clear now, along with something else. nt

[zappaman]

114. And thank you for all you have added to this thread as well!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

115. You're welcome. Would be nice to see you guys add something more than you usually do. nt

[zappaman]

117. Sid added quite a lot.

I didn't know about this shithead the OP linked to.
Did you?

[SidDithers]

119. But don't add too much, or you'll get accused of spamming...

Sid

[ChisolmTrailDem]

157. Need a tissue? nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

133. Actually, all I had to do to know the guy was nuts was look at his site for a moment. That's

all anyone had to do, including the OP. It was not necessary to go on and on and on about it as if no one else observing can discern the voracity of a source.

I've noticed that one of you comes in to a thread like this and then the rest follow and you all pile on, especially with this OP. What I meant when I said it would be nice to see you guys add something more than you usually do was that I'd like to see you post about Democratic issues and/or pols or even legitimate news stories. at least every one in a while. But it is exceedingly rare. And when you do, it in some way usually is for the purpose of calling out any posters that would dare go there - before they have a chance to. What is not rare is the extremely rude way in which you point out a bad source or the way you talk to people who express what you refer to as "woo". You gleefully speak condescendingly to people in a contemptuous tone. Y'all contribute almost nothing else.

[zappaman]

138. I didn't go to his site.

I'm glad someone did.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

142. Yes, you've said that repeatedly. nt

[Agschmid]

141. Some of us choose to post factual information...

When you don't do that this is what happens. This isn't bullying, some may bully but this thread had many attempts to point out the facts... before it turned into this.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

147. Did I say "bullying"? Maybe a hint of guilty conscience there? Sound mighty defensive. At least

you contribute more than just disdainful commentary. Others hardly ever do.

[Agschmid]

149. No guilt from me.

I pointed out immediately that the source was bad in the first reply, and posted non aggressively.

I did my part...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

154. Indeed. Thank you for doing that for us. nt

[maddezmom]

146. Feel free to put me on ignore if you don't like my posts

I have been posting here for years and I will call out crappy sources when I see them, especially when an OP repeatedly uses them.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

148. Call them out all you want. I do when the opportunity arises. I just do it...differently. I don't

put people on ignore. If you're keeping up, you'll already know that I agree with the assessment of the source. All any discerning reader had to do to determine the voracity of the source was to have a quick look.

[maddezmom]

153. Okay.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

155. Is that a hello ... or goodbye? Hard to tell. nt

[maddezmom]

161. It is a hello! I don't use ignore for people that disagree with me or my posts

On the other hand the OP of this post does so be careful with your words. She probably didn't see post 1or 2 for that exact reason...would have probably saved her all the other posts in this thread if she had changed the source of her OP.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

166. Good. I'm glad. I dont use ignore either. The OP definately botched this one and I told her so.

nt

[maddezmom]

168. Thank you for doing it

Hopefully she reads it.

[snooper2]

215. because we LOVE SPAM!

[maddezmom]

218. I thought for sure you would have posted this

[SidDithers]

109. I posted 2 examples...

2 examples is spamming?

Then the poster edited their OP but chose to defend the use of the source, so I added another reply to address her edit.

Try to keep up. Or at least, next time, get fully caught up before jumping in with a bullshit accusation.

Sid

[ChisolmTrailDem]

112. Oh I'm caught up. I see what is happening. nt

[zappaman]

116. I see what is happening.

[SidDithers]

118. J'accuse!!...

Sid

[ChisolmTrailDem]

159. So, your disdain extends to those who agree with you when pointing out bullshit but

who prefer a ... different ... approach in pointing these things out.

I'm not in the least surprised.

[SidDithers]

165. Yup...

Do you need a tissue?

Sid

[ChisolmTrailDem]

170. Touche! What's next?

[kelliekat44]

73. So what? Something else we don't need. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. You mean we really do not need more efficient engines?

Because that is what they are using that sucker for. RESEARCH.

By the way, don't look into Golfs, oh never mind, not like they are going to bring that to the US, but they will put the power plant in European Golfs starting next year.

We'd better let the WH know that we really do not need higher efficiency CAFE standards though, which is what that vehicle is actually about.

Starting this year with 2011 models, the federal government’s fuel-economy standards, which have sat frozen for years, are going to get a big-time thaw—the biggest change since the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) law was created in 1975.

The average fuel economy for cars must improve from the current 27.5 mpg, where it has been since 1990, to 37.8 mpg by 2016. The truck standard has to rise from 23.5 mpg to 28.8.

This means cars must improve by 37 percent, trucks by 23 percent. Combined, cars and trucks in 2016 should average 34.1 mpg, up 35 percent from the current 25.3 mpg—a jump of 5.1 percent per year.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-automakers-will-meet-2016-cafe-standards

[SidDithers]

83. "And while the source is not precisely the best... "

WTF?

Your "source" thinks that Fukushima was caused by Israeli nukes.

When reviewing the seismic data for the supposed 9.0, I knew there were instead 3 small simultaneous inland epicenters. This made me suspicious right from the start that the quake was artificially triggered and used as seismic cover for a tsunami bomb. But I needed a reason to believe an artificial quake could have been done. I suspected that either Japan was testing nukes and Israeli intelligence was onto it and used the tests as the "start of clock" for their operation, or Israel managed to smuggle nukes into lava tubes and tunnels far underground to trigger earthquakes and contain the blasts.

Sid

[greatauntoftriplets]

84. Is that a polite way of saying it's the worst?

[SidDithers]

86. Semi-polite...

Sid

[greatauntoftriplets]

87. LOL.

[Bobbie Jo]

158. Yet, from the looks of this thread

people are all to ready to blindly accept this kind of garbage.

Sadly, this is a frequent occurrence here anymore.

[zappaman]

91. Fukushima was caused by Israeli nukes?!?

Holy crap!
This guy is more out there than David Ickes!
Wow...just wow.

[Brickbat]

88. Posted after the edit:

Calling out crap sources and correcting bad information is not bullying.

[maddezmom]

93. Thank you!

[SidDithers]

98. +1...

Sid

[tammywammy]

101. + 1

[Agschmid]

103. +1

[Orrex]

219. I saw a documentary from the 60s about a tablet that turns water into gasoline

Oh, wait. That was an episode of The Munsters.

[Aerows]

120. Great info, Nadin

Even if the sources is a little shaky, we need to know how the oil and gas industry is destroying the planet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. And blue tires provided a good one

So what we know is x vehicle and all that. Sometimes shaky leads go to good leads

[SidDithers]

122. "little shaky"?...

Sid

[Agschmid]

129. You seem to be on ignore, join the club.

[SidDithers]

137. Yup...

It's a big club, and the parties are spectacular.

Sid

[zappaman]

123. "A little shaky"

A guy who blames "the Jews" for Benghazi and accuses Israel of nuking Fukushima is "a little shaky"?

[Aerows]

128. Uh

[zappaman]

136. Indeed.

I had the same reaction when I read this douche thinks Israelis nuked Fukushima,..amongst other batshit "theories".

[Aerows]

139. I'm still lost

which douche are you referring to?

[tammywammy]

143. That's the author linked in the OP.

Nadin linked to a nut job that you called "a little shaky"

[Aerows]

151. Well, it serves me right

for not clicking on the link before I post, I guess?

[zappaman]

144. Jim Stone.

See replies #51, 67, and 83.

[Aerows]

156. Didn't read the entire thread

shot my mouth off.

Oops.

[zappaman]

160. It happens.

I had never heard of the guy either.
Now we know.
Ick.

[Aerows]

164. No kidding

what a douchecanoe.

[Aerows]

162. BTW, I'm sorry

I don't keep up with every nutjob ass hat (that guy appears to be one) on the internet.

Not that I want to do so.

[SidDithers]

152. The article in the OP is written by an anti-Semitic piece of shit by the name of Jim Stone...

Jim Stone thinks, among other things, that Fukushima was caused by Israel, who "managed to smuggle nukes into lava tubes and tunnels far underground to trigger earthquakes" and who was "blown away by how accurate people like David Duke are with regard to the Jews".

Those are direct quotes from his rantings on his dumbass website.

Jim Stone also thinks that the Jews are trying to kill him. You can read all about it in his article entitled "An introduction to my experience with the Jewish Community". I'm not linking to it.

That's more than "a little shaky".

Regardless of whatever his conspiracy-addled mind thinks of Volkswagen's car, he's not a source that should be promoted at DU.

Sid

[SidDithers]

126. "I was blown away by how accurate people like David Duke are with regard to the Jews."...

That's from the source that nadin used in the OP.

That's "a little shaky"?

Sid

[Nye Bevan]

125. Apparently the secret is the flux capacitor (nt)

[BlueStreak]

127. Isn't this the same fictional concept car that has been rumored for 10 years?

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. This is real.

Blue tires above linked to a less dodgy link from cat and driver. It is an x vehicle. The power plant will go into Golf Hybrids next year. (In Europe though)

[ChisolmTrailDem]

140. Looks like you have quite the fan club. Do yourself a favor and carefully vet your source, even if

the thing you're pointing to is real.

[nadinbrzezinski]

167. I got a bunch of character assassins

And cyber stalkers. This is permitted, even encouraged.

Because of them I already walk on eggshells and will never ever post any news story I cover for my local non paper that I really do not write for. never mind we cover local politics.

In fact, next political scandal, even though I will likely have the inside tract, you all can have the substandard coverage, including the remote from LA full of errors by Luke Russert. (The scandal was in San Diego)

In fact, when we have the next firestorm (maybe even this year, the conditions are near perfect for that) you all can read it on CNN. Never mind I will be on the front lines.

I am now also not posting on the Ukraine crisis, never mind my masters in history included quite a bit of reading into Ukraine and then the USSR. Enough to know shock doctrine is getting used like a hammer and if all you have is a hammer., well everything is a nail.

The character assassins are likely engaging in exactly that. In the meantime the adults have discussed this as adults and found exactly what this is about.

By the way, those same character assassins will suppress the vote, which I find all kinds of ironic, since they are supposedly hard core dems. But posters here, due to the antics of these character assassins and a few others have said, they are not voting. (I will vote, and cover the election. It's always fun)

Their goal is to drive me away, and they have been at this for ten long years plus. They are on ignore, but let me predict names, brickbrat, dyonisius, Zapaman, perhaps pinto bean, and a few others. Am I even close to correct on names? Oh and madmezon or whatever she spells it.

[tammywammy]

171. You posted a shit source and got called on it.

Just like if anyone else had posted it.

[maddezmom]

172. Yup, close it is maddezmom

post from crap sources and expect to get called on nadin. That isn't cyberstalking, you posted this in GD and I replied. Suppressing the vote? That is a new one.

[Agschmid]

174. People who point out factual errors are not "character assassins"...

We would all love you to contribute I don't think anyone wants to silence you. Personally the big deal for me is when someone points out you are totally off base you don't fix it, I fall on my sword all the time when I am wrong.

It's not fun, it's not easy, but it is a skill everyone should have.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

175. Oh yes, I used to lurk back in the day (I didn't join because I was sure people here would

start disappearing) and on a semi-regular basis. When I realized no one was disappearing, and Obama was safely in office, I eventually decided to join.

I've seen what you describe, re: your fan club, for years.

Just be sure to vet your sources. I know time is always short because life is so busy and we want to get to the next thing. It's very easy to blow off taking the time to vet a source but it would be worth it in the end to see that perhaps a source is too shady to link to.

[nadinbrzezinski]

181. Well, saw it on FB and found it interesting.

The technology possibilities that is, not the source. And car and driver (which blue tires posted) clarified a lot of that. That is what adults do though.

Generally speaking I do not post anything not from NPR, NBC, et al anymore. Hell, not even local reporting. To be honest I don't post much any longer. Though I can tell you that sometimes dodgy sources have valid info, the clock stuck twice a day syndrome. We even find that when actually covering politics.

As is on this subject we do know the industry fought the new CAFE standards rise and I predict a Republican gets elected they will get rolled back, the 2024 ones that is. 2016 they are stuck. Not because they are evil, it's ideology.

I just find those people worst than two year olds, to be honest. But this place is truly becoming a walk on eggshells mater. Next time I find a stuck clock, I won't be sharing though. Another thing to add to the list of what not to post here. This is a place that truly does not encourage discussion.

Things that sadden me giving what DU was once, when dodgy questions were asked that lead to things like the 2004 Ohio elections analysis. That poster is gone, his analysis was picked by excelsior in Mexico City, I translated that and sent it to staff. That will not happen here again.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

184. Most of them contribute little more than negativity. You blow them away when it comes to

useful content. All they have is to monitor for mistakes and you're their favorite. No doubt about that. So... don't make mistakes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

187. Easier than that. The list of what not to post

Is long, just like the ignore list.

Now this, I am sure they are expecting me to delete it. It won't.

I want people to see them at "work."

Thanks by the way. But this place is far from a safe place to post. And yes, they are beyond toxic. I am glad that I posted this. I learned more about the technology, and that is what I like, knowledge.

[pecwae]

207. I don't post much any more either.

I'm not nearly as adept, though, having only kept myself to a mere 15 instead of 3518 in the last 90 days. There must be something I'm not doing right.

[SidDithers]

209. Hehe...

Sid

[dionysus]

196. if you're goin to log out to look at the 10,000 ppl you have on ignore, at least spell it right.

dionysus, not "dyonisius"

[maddezmom]

197. ...

[dionysus]

198. right back atcha, "madmezon"!

[Brother Buzz]

179. To Hell with vetting when you can run with a sensational (albeit flase) headline

There are other articles out there, but as factual as they are, they don't create the desired kerfunkle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2927803

[dionysus]

199. don't get into a kerflunkle down by the riffle,you might get hit by a turbine blade from a mile away

[Brother Buzz]

201. Don't forget the cancerous coyote standing in a cactus with electrocuted feet, or something

[Union Scribe]

194. It would do us all a favor is she did that

insofar as it would avoid repeated cycles of bad stories and drama that is interesting the first time you see it and ponderous the next infinity times.

[dionysus]

200. !

[mopinko]

163. vw would be stupid to put this into production worldwide.

these things always need the bugs worked out. into production next year is not the same as sitting on a barge being refused entry.

when they are on the streets in europe, instead of still in the works, then it makes sense to make such arguments.

and yeah, c'mon nadin. sources, sources.

[nadinbrzezinski]

173. They are not th

They are putting the power plant into the Golf per the link provided by blue tires, this is an x vehicle.

Don't worry that golf is not meant, for now, for us distribution.

[mopinko]

176. still. this will be a major event when it happens.

no marketing person worth 2¢ would do anything else.

[nadinbrzezinski]

185. It is cafe...

By 2024 the fleet needs much higher mpg.

[rudolph the red]

189. The car and driver link states that the Golf will be equipped

with a similar system, but with a four cylinder diesel engine instead of the one cylinder engine in the prototype vehicle. I expect this to be a great step forward, but with the Golfs additional weight, the much larger engine and the safety features that it will need to have to make it attractive to your average customer, the MPG is going to suffer greatly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

192. I suspect we will see a much higher mpg

It is all about the 2024 CAFE standards. They need a few high performance to make up for vehicles that inevitably will be just at the edge, or slightly under.

Give he a sec and will look for them. The IPad can get dodgy as hell.

Here, 54.5 by 2025 production year

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/fuel-economy/obama-announces-54-6-mpg-cafe-standard-by-2025

[rudolph the red]

195. I think that is accurate,

in my opinion any steps forward, no matter how small are to the better. Imagine the changes that are going to occur in the next 11 years, we may be off fossil fuels completely by then.

[nadinbrzezinski]

202. Personally, and I hate to be negative

I don't think we can make much of a difference and our kids will pay for it. Truly, the one with the most toys wins.

And I am really happy I don't have kids.

I look at Mexico, which started suffering the early effects of climate change before the term was coined. And my god, the disasters are just more epic every year. Americans, and this is human nature, are still in denial because we really have not experienced the brunt of it in large enough swaths that people would get it.

Katrina should have been a wake up call, Sandy, ditto, the firestorms in Southern California, yup, tornados in January, absolutely. But it is almost impossible to have press make that vital linkage. So we will have that epiphany well after it will make a difference. Given where we are in green hose gas production.

[beevul]

190. Decent milage isn't impossible. I get 47 highway with a bone stock 2000 suzuki swift...

"No tour has been allowed for this car because the myth that 50 mpg is virtually impossible to obtain from even a stripped down econobox is too profitable to let go of, and when it comes to corporate oil profits, ignorance is bliss."

Decent milage isn't impossible. I get 47 highway with a bone stock 2000 suzuki swift, with over 100k on it. Original engine. I average 40 a tank.

I get that, by using optimal tire inflation, and driving habits.

And that's with the 1.3 liter 4 cylinder. I expect it would be over 50 with the three banger.

Theres a fella out there that got 97 mpg with a Pontiac Firefly (the same car rebadged as a Pontiac) with the three banger and some common sense mods.

[snooper2]

217. I had a Suzuki Swift with the thre banger turbo

that was a fun little car to stuff six people in LOL after high school


It developed cracks in the unibody right where the doors and front fenders meet. I kept welding it to no avail, along with some steel plates and bolts. I would take off and the front end would lift up (bend) from the rest of the car through the gears-

Everyone called it the floppy cock


mine was black

[maddezmom]

210. Thank you for finally editing to remove the vile link.

[SidDithers]

211. Agreed...

Sid

[zappaman]

212. And it only took 6 edits!

[Brother Buzz]

213. But she still left the factually incorrect subject line up

She's having her kerfunkle and eating it, too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

220. This is what is amazing here

the negativity from a particular group of posters who have been, in a few cases, going after me for the last ten year plus.

So here is what I have to say to you, esteemed ignored list. I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

You are fixated, and acting like children, Due to the actions of people like you, we already have had one poster declare here that they are NOT VOTING. You know why? IF you are my allies, who needs enemies?

For your education, this is what an actual conspiracy looks like

2167

Jury Instruction—Conspiracy—18 U.S.C. § 1956(h)

The defendant is charged in Count(s) __, with ________________, in violation of _______________, and in Count ___ with Conspiracy to Launder Money, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1956(h).
A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to join together to attempt to accomplish some unlawful purpose. It is a kind of "partnership in crime" in which each member becomes the agent of every other member. It does not matter whether or not the conspiracy was successful. The essence of the offense is that two or more persons have combined, or mutually agreed, to do something illegal.[FN1]
FN1. Iannelli v. United States, 420 U.S. 770, 777 (1975).
For you to find the defendant(s) guilty of this crime, you must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the government has proved each of the following beyond a reasonable doubt:
FIRST: That two or more persons agreed to try to accomplish a common and unlawful plan, as charged in the indictment; and,
SECOND: That the defendant knew the unlawful purpose of the agreement and joined in it willfully, that is, with the intent to further the unlawful purpose.

One becomes a member of a conspiracy by willfully participating in the unlawful plan with the intent to further some object of the conspiracy.[FN2] One may become a member of a conspiracy without knowing all of the details of the unlawful plan or the identities of all of the other alleged conspirators. If the defendant, with an understanding of the unlawful character of a plan, knowingly joins in an unlawful scheme on one occasion, that is sufficient to convict him of conspiracy, even though he had not participated before and even though he played only a minor part in the conspiracy.
FN2. Blumenthal v. United States, 332 U.S. 539, 557 (1947).
One who has no knowledge of the unlawful plan does not become a member of a conspiracy simply because one happens to be present at an event or transaction or because one happens to commit an act which inadvertently furthers some object of the unlawful plan or conspiracy. One does not become a member of a conspiracy through an association with members of the conspiracy or by the mere knowledge that a conspiracy exists.[FN3]
FN3. United States v. Falcone, 311 U.S. 205, 210(1940).
The evidence in the case need not show that the alleged members of the conspiracy entered into any express or formal agreement, or that they directly stated between themselves the details of the scheme and its object or purpose, or the precise means by which the object or purpose was to be accomplished. Similarly, the evidence in the case need not establish that all of the means or methods which were agreed upon were actually used or put into operation. Nor must the evidence prove that all of the persons charged were members of the conspiracy.
In your consideration of the conspiracy offenses alleged in Count(s)___ of the Indictment, you should first determine, from all the evidence and testimony, whether or not a conspiracy existed at all. If you conclude that a conspiracy did exist as alleged, you should next determine whether or not each defendant knowingly or intentionally became a member of the conspiracy.

That is the legal definition of the term.

For the last forty years there has been an effort to call anything that people in power do not want to be discussed conspiracy. I am sure at this point that you will call me antisemite, or the less polite term, jew hater, as well, why? The link you did not like. It is the height of irony since I have no idea how the daughter of a holocaust survivor can be, but do carry on. I am sure you think that or will try that next. Why not? That is what character assassins do.

Unlike you, the rest of us have a life and I do not keep track of every crackpot and crazy around. What I keep track is of technology. And even crazies can at times be somewhat right. So if you want to keep tract of every crackpot and crazy, hey, we all need a hobby.

What amazes me is that you will alert or pounce on the slightest of mistakes I make. But the other day I saw a newsmax link stay up. The poster did not know newsmax is right wing. See, not everybody knows what the approved sources by you are

Given NPR used as a source has been attacked, as well as Reuters (they too make mistakes, I know amazing} it is now to be concluded that you will pounce on the sky is somewhat cloudy and temperature are well above normal right now outside my window. Go ahead, check with the National Weather Service.

I hope KPBS is good enough of a source for you, albeit local, so that is a problem I know.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/apr/07/above-average-temperatures-predicted-san-diego-wee/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kpbs%2Fenvironment+(KPBS+News%3A+Environment)

Were you assigned as character assassins? No need to answer. I know from US History that character assassination has been used in the past. This tells me, that if I am that much of a threat to somebody, just wish I knew who, therefore I am doing something right.

We now know that this is going on, infiltration of online groups. It is not new, online is the new world

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

And these guys also infiltrated the media, which was far less friendly to the government back then. It is not a coincidence.

During the 1960s groups were infiltrated by the government too. It is not because they are evil, they just need to control the conversation Some of those have blown in their faces. You are not supposed to talk of the JFK assassination, it was a single shooter. Americans are evenly divided per Rassmussen

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2013/lone_gunman_or_conspiracy_americans_are_evenly_divided_over_jfk_assassination

And per the WAPO poll 62% do not believe the official story line

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/11/20/poll-62-percent-believe-broader-plot-killed-kennedy/





They are having the same exact problem with 911. Here is a nice summary of polls from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

Regardless of what you think of those two, fact is that the control is not there, and they have attempted to marginalize people.

Ten years of this shit, I have to conclude some of you are infiltrators. I will also conclude that your job is to character assassin.

What i love about this is that this is now leading to voter suppression, and I do not think that is accidental either. What you are doing is dodgy as hell.

I don't intend to remove you from the list. Just suffice it to say, if I post local breaking news affecting millions, you will pounce, never mind a myriad of other posters do that every day.

If I post just regular news, you will pounce. never mind other posters do the same.

If I post about a local political scandal, you will pounce, never mind others will as well

If I post about a national story, you will pounce, never mind that is what this is supposed to be.

If I post about a major local disaster, you will pounce, never mind others do regularly. There is a reason I did not post a breaking news alert with the La Habra quake. IT IS YOU.

So what you are causing is to make me consider carefully what I post. It is getting to the point where I will have to ignore your screams and protests and just go ahead and POST whatever I want to. And have you ALERT on every fracking post. Because that is what you do. So happy alerting.

So there you have it. My days of walking on eggshells are pretty much over.

[tammywammy]

221. What's amazing is you supposedly have all these people on ignore and yet

You know who/what is posted in your thread.

Since you posted on Facebook that DU is a "cesspool" why are you even here? And don't you think, publicly calling the place where you post such a name would result in people thinking even less of you? Or how about you post bullshit sources/stories and get pissy when you get called on it.

[SidDithers]

222. You posted an article written by a guy who, on his site, said...

"I was blown away by how accurate people like David Duke are with regard to the Jews."

Authors like that have no place getting exposure at DU. When you bring a piece of shit anti-Semite like that to DU, you're gonna get called on it every fucking time. Loudly.

Most DUers, if they inadvertently used a source like that, would say something like "Oh shit, I didn't know that Jim Stone was such an asshat. Sorry for bringing him to DU.", then they would delete the link to his dumbass ramblings.

You, on the other hand, chose to defend your use of Jim Stone as a source. It took you 6 edits to finally remove the link to the asshat's article.


Sid

[maddezmom]

223. Good, glad you aren't walking in egg shells any longer

But I will continue to call out bad sources anytime I see them. Happy posting.

[zappaman]

224. Wow.

Just wow.

[Katashi_itto]

225. +1000

[Raksha]

226. K & R