BREAKING: Cliven Bundy DEMANDS National Park Service Employees be disarmed.

[MohRokTah]

See what happens when you embolden a violent terrorist?

Rancher Cliven Bundy demanded of sheriff Doug Gillespie that all narional park service employees working on the cattle roundup operation be disarmed before 10:45 a.m.

He gave Gillespie one hour to comply, and added for the firearms to be brought to him. The demand comes on the heels of the Bureau of Land Management pulling the plug on the roundup due to safety concerns.

Link to the story.

[dhill926]

1. fuck 'im….

[bluestateguy]

2. Because federal law enforcement officers do not have 2nd Amenment rights to bear arms

Sounds pretty consistent to me.

[karynnj]

3. If it weren't so serious a situation, wouldn't you want to say this violates the workers' second

Amendment rights. Bizarre that someone likely to belong to the NRA and argue for no control over guns wants to control the GOVERNMENT having guns.

[eShirl]

4. or else what?

[MohRokTah]

5. The armed militia terrorists are still there

So take that however you like. It seems halting the roundup isn't good enough for these terrorists. They've been emboldened and now want more.

[WinkyDink]

48. Armed violent "militia" = Patriots. Unarmed "Occupy" protestors = Dangerous terrorists.

See how that works?

[Boreal]

50. You sure do like that word

TERRORIST - even more than the Bushtards did.

More innocent Americans have been murdered by cops, in the past decade, than all of the US troops killed in Iraq. Thousands of defenseless dogs, beloved family members, have been killed by cops - just because they CAN. That's terrorism.

Oh, and the 2nd amendment (like the entire Bill of Rights) is an acknowledgment of the rights of the people, not government agencies and law enforcement.

[WinkyDink]

55. 1. Dogs aren't humans or citizens. 2.These ARMED Right-wingers who flout the law ARE TERRORISTS.

3. Find a source for those police killings that is legit news (as opposed to "infowars" or "the free thought project&quot .

I believe the US govt was unlawful at Waco and Ruby Ridge....but NOT in this case.

[Boreal]

64. Just becuase dogs arern't humans

Doesn't give cops the right to break into people's houses, or come into their yards and shoot them. WTF is the the matter with you?

Are you SERIOUSLY asking me to give sources on all of the police murderers of innocent people. REALLY? Do you even pay the slightest bit attention to this stuff? Maybe not because it's not you or anyone you know, eh? Therefore, what do you care, right?

[WinkyDink]

65. I'm just wondering about the actual numbers, not the reality of police brutality. As for dogs: I

love dogs! Especially miniature dachshunds! And I give to the ASPCA regularly! I just don't equate them with humans (yes, I know; many are superior!).

I guess I'm torn. I despair at our militarization of police (personally encountered in NYC during the pre-Invasion protests). I despair at the "No-Knock" law that resulted in local men's deaths and subsequent police acquittals. I think the govt was criminal at Waco and Ruby Ridge. I was in college for Kent State.

But I fear the armed Right-Wing "sovereign citizens" more.

[Codeine]

6. He's figured out that he's in charge.

He's already won, so why not try to get a few more concessions out of the losing party?

[MohRokTah]

7. Yep, the feds gave into a terrorist's demands

Now the terrorist follows up the surrender with even more demands because he still has his armed supporters there.

[maddezmom]

8. So now he is threatening the Sheriff....

Sounds like a lot of hot air for his followers to me because what will he do if he doesn't get his way.

[MohRokTah]

9. They've threatened violence, that's how they got the BLM to back down

So the BLM backed down and now the terrorists have been emboldened and want full on surrender of all arms.

This guy knows he's in charge there now.

[maddezmom]

12. I doubt Gillespie will comply with this order

[jwirr]

42. Handing the guns over to them will only increase the danger. I cannot see them handing them over.

[shenmue]

10. Oh no he didn't

This will not end well.

[MohRokTah]

11. The BLM backed down with threats before

Why shouldn't Bundy expect them to back down again?

[seabeyond]

32. Big difference between the two demands, would be the too obvious answer.

[pinto]

13. I wish the LV Review Journal had cited some source for this blurb. Very fluid situation, it seems.

Oy.

[maddezmom]

14. Looks like SWAT and others are on the scene now

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25231502/breaking-news-protesters-gather-on-i15-causing-traffic-delays-cliven-bundy-blm

[TroglodyteScholar]

15. Jesus

[MohRokTah]

16. I knew it was bad for the BLM to back down

And now even more nutbags are pouring into the area SWAT teams have been mobilized.

Embolden a terrorist and they get more violent.

[maddezmom]

17. I believe SWAT and others are there so BLM can get their equipment out and traffic issues

Not for some sort of assault on the protesters

[pinto]

21. Sounds likely. Precaution, safe passage, keep the peace, etc.

[louis-t]

26. You know, I hate the idea of Free Speech Zones

but keeping them apart from the situation might not be the worst thing that could happen.

[TroglodyteScholar]

18. Where do you find the block of text in the OP?

I don't see it at the link...

[MohRokTah]

19. Live feeds and additional stories. eom

[TheKentuckian]

20. One problem with avoiding violence at any and all costs is that

one of the potential costs is actually much greater and more enduring violence and tyranny.

[Takket]

22. maybe dumb question but...

does the sheriff even have the authority to do that? The parks service doesn't work for the sheriff do they? This seems like demanding a police chief go into an army base and take the guns away from soldiers

[MohRokTah]

24. It's a sovereign citizen thing.

Sovereign Citizens claim the highest order of law enforcement are local sheriffs and all other law enforcement agencies must make way for sheriffs while in the sheriff's jurisdiction.

[Loudly]

23. Cliven Bundy sounds just like Andy Devine when he talks.

[jmowreader]

25. He also wants a new car...

,,,with reclining leather seats that goes really fast and gets really shitty gas mileage.

Seriously, though, with all the teabaggers, militiamen and "Oath Keepers" that have flocked to the side of Cliven Bundy, if they disarm the National Park Service employees some of them are going to be killed.

[louis-t]

27. And ICE CREAM! I WANT ICE CREAM!

[RandiFan1290]

29. ...and he wants a hamburger! No, a cheeseburger!

a hotdog, a milkshake, and potato chips...

[jmowreader]

43. And some fresh coffee, and a recount

[Nay]

30. "Let the mayor go, and we'll throw in a Blaupunkt."

[SwankyXomb]

41. The new list of demands includes

a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook,
a Dyna-Gym--I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
real simulated Indian jewelry,
a Gucci shoetree,
a year's supply of antibiotics,
a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number,
a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary's baby,
a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams,
a new Matador, a new mastodon,
a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego,
a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a meteor,
a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu,
a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck,
a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped,
a Winnebago--Hell, a herd of Winnebago's we're giving 'em away,
or how about a McCulloch chainsaw,
a Las Vegas wedding,
a Mexican divorce,
a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
and a baby's arm holding an apple

Thanks to the Tubes.

[siligut]

45. You seem to know your Mormon assholes pretty well . . .

"a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary's baby,"

My sympathies.

[Wellstone ruled]

28. Oh Boy!!!

Let the round up begin. Gillespie has dealt with these Stupids before. Metro has zero tolerance for these TeaBillie and Sovereign Nation assholes. This Swat Team is a bunch of Pit Bulls and you don't mess with them.

[penultimate]

31. This guy wants a conflict

He know this will not happen, and he's hoping it will spark a shootout that spurs a "revolution." At least that is how it looks to me.

[Brigid]

33. What am I missing here?

I have read this brief story over and over, and it doesn't say that. A little help here?

[IronGate]

34. I asked him for a link to who said that he said that and so far.......crickets.

[maddezmom]

35. It has been edited, I did read it at the link. Hence my comments up thread.

[Brigid]

38. Oh. A rumor, maybe?

That got edited because it couldn't be verified? Anyway, obviously it ain't happening.

[maddezmom]

40. The news org edited it here is the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4813347

Yup, it didn't happen....just a bunch of huffing and puffing for the idjits that were hanging out blocking highway traffic.

[maddezmom]

36. Here is a link..

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/bundy-blm-reach-deal-stop-cattle-roundup
By TOM RAGAN
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Rancher Cliven Bundy demanded of sheriff Doug Gillespie that all narional park service employees working on the cattle roundup operation be disarmed before 10:45 a.m.

He gave Gillespie one hour to comply, and added for the firearms to be brought to him. The demand comes on the heels of the Bureau of Land Management pulling the plug on the roundup due to safety concerns.

“Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public,” BLM director Neil Kornze said.

Many people in the crowd gathered in Bunkerville were demanding to know where the 500 already-gathered cattle currently are.

[Nevernose]

46. Don't link to those assholes

Or at least don't cut and paste. The insanely right wing RJ was part of the outfit that sued DU a few years ago for copying and pasting their articles. DU won, but in sure it cost money and headaches for Skinner, et al.

[maddezmom]

56. .....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x4796

[Nevernose]

57. Huh. Missed that one

They're still assholes, still extremely right wing, and their reporting of basic facts often looks like Fox News opinion pieces.

[maddezmom]

59. Completely agree

But was just linking it because it had been reported.

[treestar]

37. There's no way to win here

If they go in and one of them gets shot, it'll be all the government's fault. They have to get this guy out of the mess he created without hurting him or any of his followers. If they don't it'll be all "fascist jackboots" and such.

[WinkyDink]

49. "without hurting him or any of his followers." I'm just not seeing the downside here.

[NutmegYankee]

60. As much as I'd love to see an AC-130 gunship wipe this asshole from the face of the earth...

We don't need to create any martyrs for their side.

[treestar]

61. But that may be difficult

or impossible. The situation Bundy created does create a danger. Even the best FBI you can imagine might not be able to pull it off without hurting somebody - or getting hurt themselves, which nobody seems to care about.

As I said, either way, they get blamed for it. When Bundy is really the one to blame.

[MFM008]

39. just drop dead?

im sick of these inbreds.

[Jake Stern]

44. Most people don't listen to warnings until it is too late, MohRokTah

In Italy circa 1920 people who saw the oncoming threat posed by Mussolini and his group tried desperately to warn the people about it.

They were told that the blackshirts were just a fringe movement and worrying about them was a waste of time.

Many Germans scoffed at an Austrian born German army veteran and his followers down in Munich.

There was no way these "National Socialists" would be anything more than a fringe movement they said.

More than a few Democrats had guffaws at the expense of the Tea Party.

What was the response? The Tea Party was just a "flash in the pan" and nothing to be concerned about. They were "too fringe" to ever do anything. The 2010 election proved that way of thinking to be very wrong.

Now we're on the cusp of an armed conflict between the militia and their supporters and the government and, as usual, warnings about what's to come are either unceremoniously brushed aside or even mocked.

Just like the apathy of the people of Italy and Germany allowed fringe groups to go mainstream and grab power I fear the apathy of Americans will allow these thugs to get bolder and bolder until a firefight is unavoidable.

[ladyVet]

47. Sooner or later, something's going to be enough to spark these fools into action.

Then who will be laughing out of the other side of their faces? Won't be me. I'm done laughing at the wingnuts.

Sure, for the most part, these Teabaggers are fools and tools. But there are plenty of people you don't hear from, who are listening to all the rightwing rhetoric and wondering who Obama is going to come for next.

All it will take is for enough things to hit a peak, and then that "1.8 million" people talked about in another thread really will end up trying to get rid of the elected government. Only it will likely be a lot more than that.

They'll likely lose, but what kind of world will we be living in after that? Because you know it's going to change how America is run, after the military has to put down a second civil war.

But what do I know? I'm just living in a state that was going solidly blue, and four years later was being run by lots of people with R behind their name and big corporations filling their pockets.

[Jake Stern]

66. Never did laugh at them. Was wary of them from the moment they hit the scene.

The problem is that while people were having a chuckle at the misspelled signs and crazy rants of the Tea Partiers, they were putting into action plans to capture statehouses and now they have shored up their gains through redistricting.

[annabanana]

51. Well.. I DEMAND that Cliven Bundy be disarmed.. The man is a domestic terrorist.

He is a threat to National Security. And a thieving cheat besides.

[Shankapotomus]

52. Actually, I think the government's strategy is working

I won't say what I think that strategy is for obvious reasons.

[Sunlei]

63. In that situation the round-up stopped was the best choice when men with rifles could have

shot at any livestock trailers. The actual round-up corrals, and working helicopters, ground crews are generally out of sight of any public view.

The final step is loading the animals into stock trailers. Usually local people who are contracted to deliver the livestock to auctions or holding corrals.

I think the BLM had to stop the round-up at that point because any of those armed people could have shot at the livestock trailers. They have to drive out of the round-up corrals and move on to the paved roads.

I bet the Gov. security knows exactly who the people holding rifles were., They may be held accountable for those threats in some future action.

Mr. Bundy too still owes lease fees and just like the IRS....you owe money to the Gov. they never forget.

[MattBaggins]

53. They need to remind these yahoos that they do in fact have both

power and authority. They should send in military troops and to really piss of these types, activate the National Guard and send them in as a reminder that the Federal Government has that authority.

[randome]

54. He's self-destructing in front of the world.

Maybe backing off was entirely the right thing to do given his emotional imbalance. Unfortunately, either way, someone's liable to get hurt or killed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[rustydog]

58. He now meets the US government's definition of a terrorist and is a threat to America

He needs to be treated like the unabomber, the marathon bomber, the 911-conspirators, he needs to be treated just as gently as bin laden was treated.

[99Forever]

62. Breaking news:

Residents of Hell DEMAND ice water.

Film at 11.