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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:05 AM Mar 2012

Scalia Is A Heartless Ghoul - Deny Service For Those With No Insurance.

During the arguments Scalia made a scary remark during the "mandate" arguments. When the lawyer brought up the fact that the law required medical treatment for people without insurance that required a mandate Scalia made asked the following question.
He said, "Why not change it?"

To me that question was strange and interesting. He seems to imply that people without insurance should be denied service. And I do believe that the GOP does support such an idea of denial of service for no insurance. How would that work for everyone. Grayson was right the GOP plan for America would be if you get sick just die quickly. Maybe they would support what happens to horses when they break a leg.

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Scalia Is A Heartless Ghoul - Deny Service For Those With No Insurance. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Mar 2012 OP
And to people who don't have their card on them? Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #1
What Was the Movie Where they Repossessed the Hearts? liberalmike27 Mar 2012 #10
He's cared for by the elite. Who cares about the rest of us.... Pholus Mar 2012 #2
+(10^100)^(10^100). You've nailed the core of his philosophy. saras Mar 2012 #16
Correct - no heart whatsoever. northoftheborder Mar 2012 #22
I agree. The Midway Rebel Mar 2012 #3
do they support greymattermom Mar 2012 #4
I wish there was some way to demand their coverage EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #5
"Why not change it?" AlbertCat Mar 2012 #6
And too bad if you are denied insurance ramapo Mar 2012 #7
they could deny you even if you had insurance Johonny Mar 2012 #23
Many hospitals (not all) will not turn away people.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #8
What fantasy world are you living in? nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #15
Scalia is a douchebag, but Viking12 Mar 2012 #9
"...Promote The General Welfare..." Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #18
He's a typical Republicon. polichick Mar 2012 #11
His job is making a judgement call based on the constitution and past wiggs Mar 2012 #12
Well of course. If he's a good worker (slave) then his employer (master)... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #13
I didn't see this in the Day 2 transcript TomClash Mar 2012 #14
They talked about it on NPR last night adigal Mar 2012 #21
Scalia is another R with a government job that comes with a highly subsidized-by-taxpayers stopbush Mar 2012 #17
OR we could have a decent National Health Service like every other civil society librechik Mar 2012 #19
He and the modern GOP are evil...really adigal Mar 2012 #20
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
1. And to people who don't have their card on them?
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:08 AM
Mar 2012

Most of the time, in an emergency room they don't know if the person is insured or not. The man isn't just heartless he is an idiot.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
10. What Was the Movie Where they Repossessed the Hearts?
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:04 AM
Mar 2012

Oh yea, Repo Man, or something.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1053424/

At first blush the movie seemed kind of ridiculous. But if you look at the "direction" our politics are moving, the idea of being turned down, of simply letting those too poor die, doesn't seem like it's entirely unlikely.

It's been clear for a few decades now that they look at EVERYTHING by what it's worth. When you're sick, and you need medical care, and you don't have money, you become completely worthless to them. They got you born, you're just a figure on the bottom line of a budget somewhere, and it's time to slash you from it, even if it kills you. That is the way these slimy bastards thing, simply put.

It is why I find the pretense that right-wingers have any religion or compassion in them so completely ludicrous. Cheney never had a heart, and I just wonder if the one with which he replaced his, was also black. Right-wingers, as much as people go on our media and say "Yea, these are great, well-meaning people, we just disagree," or Godawful, nefarious people, with terrible motives and ideas.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
2. He's cared for by the elite. Who cares about the rest of us....
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:12 AM
Mar 2012

And you'd really expect no less from the guy who said:

“Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached”

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/mere_factual_innocence_is_no_reason_not_to_carry/186036.html
 

saras

(6,670 posts)
16. +(10^100)^(10^100). You've nailed the core of his philosophy.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:37 AM
Mar 2012

Actual human beings are completely and utterly secondary.

The Midway Rebel

(2,191 posts)
3. I agree.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:20 AM
Mar 2012

His comments that I heard on NPR are quite literally making me ill with disgust. I had to roll out of bed at 5:30 am and pop a few ant-acid pills. I hope his dick rots and falls off.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
5. I wish there was some way to demand their coverage
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:36 AM
Mar 2012

be slashed from the th gold standard coverage they get now to
the bare minimum most of us deal with. Cheney want's a heart
transplant, let the MF pay for it himself, and coverage of anti-rejection
drugs he'll need for the rest of his miserable life. Cutbacks for them
just like the rest of us.

ramapo

(4,776 posts)
7. And too bad if you are denied insurance
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:20 AM
Mar 2012

Heartless ghoul describes Scalia and all the anti-reform citizens amongst us. Of course, nearly all of these zealots have their very fine insurance and would not imagine being in the situation where you are denied coverage.

Some people want to roll the dice and not get insurance hoping nothing bad will happen. Countless others would love to have insurance but cannot get or afford it because of their circumstance.

It is really criminal what goes on in this country.

Johonny

(26,104 posts)
23. they could deny you even if you had insurance
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
Mar 2012

hey forgot your insurance card and had a heart attack well to bad for you.

Some medical care is just not a big money maker, if they have to think about profits and can deny service why treat people for things that have low margin? Suddenly medical service even with insurance would start to get deny for all kind of reasons.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
8. Many hospitals (not all) will not turn away people....
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:22 AM
Mar 2012

For some hospitals, caring for the sick and injured is the first priority. Many hospitals have "angel funds" provided by wealthy benefactors. It is this fund that pays the bills for many poor and many children...but if money can be had they will find it.

I like to believe that in some places compassion still influences medical administration decisions...

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
9. Scalia is a douchebag, but
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:04 AM
Mar 2012

The question is actually a logical one given that part of the argument in defense of the ACA is the mandates of EMTALA.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
18. "...Promote The General Welfare..."
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:52 AM
Mar 2012

It's actually part of our Constitution.

If Scalia wants to willfully ignore the mandate set upon the shoulders of those in government placed there by the very document that created it, nothing else really matters to him.

He might as well have asked why we haven't amended the Constitution.


wiggs

(8,791 posts)
12. His job is making a judgement call based on the constitution and past
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:18 AM
Mar 2012

scotus rulings. I'm fine with that....as long as it's sound judgement based on logic and analysis. Unfortunately, he and his sidekick have proven they will bend logic and distort legal priorities in order to make a ruling consistent with his ideology.

This particular question seems relevant...but I don't trust him to put the question and answer in proper context along with all the other potential arguments. Cherry-picking is his party's forte.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
13. Well of course. If he's a good worker (slave) then his employer (master)...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:20 AM
Mar 2012

...would be more than happy to pay for his doctorin'.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
21. They talked about it on NPR last night
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:55 AM
Mar 2012

They have an excellent analysis from 8 to 9PM - have one tonight, also.

stopbush

(24,801 posts)
17. Scalia is another R with a government job that comes with a highly subsidized-by-taxpayers
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:43 AM
Mar 2012

Cadillac insurance policy.

My question - why not change it? Let him and the rest of the government be forced to buy their insurance on the open market.

librechik

(30,957 posts)
19. OR we could have a decent National Health Service like every other civil society
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:54 AM
Mar 2012

are we going to let the likes of Scalia decide this? Really?

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
20. He and the modern GOP are evil...really
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:54 AM
Mar 2012

I see so much evil in their beliefs and desires - so much selfishness and callousness. Jesus, if he existed, is weeping at what they do in his name.

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