Will the US get militarily involved in Ukraine?

[CFLDem]

Please feel free to explain your answer below.

If no, why not?

If yes, when will we get involved?

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[The Magistrate]

1. The Answer 'No' Is So Obvious, Sir, One Is Almost Embarrassed To Click It

It is like asking of you think the sun will rise in the east or the west.

[MADem]

2. What The Magistrate Said. nt

[MohRokTah]

4. You said it best. eom

[steve2470]

7. yes very obvious nt

[bowens43]

3. why not? Really?

[cthulu2016]

5. We have never gone to war with an entity capable of nuking American cities...

...any one assumes we will continue to avoid doing so.

[Electric Monk]

6. This reminds me of a Toon I just saw...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024834436

[Initech]

8. Last thing we need is another trillions dollar war for nothing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Directly? "Boots on the ground"? Maybe. In other ways yes.

Supplying and supporting the Ukrainian armed forces and/or militias with military equipment or military intelligence? Probably.

[LittleBlue]

10. We can't help but lose to Russia on this

If no, why not?

Because Ukraine isn't important enough to start WW3.

It's so important to Russia to keep Ukraine in their sphere of influence that they won't back down no matter what. Putin is willing to risk everything. His people have been whipped up into fanatical support for resurrecting the Soviet Union.

In this game, the boldest man wins. And that's Putin.

It would be no different if Mexico petitioned China to become part of a greater political union. We'd risk WW3 to stop it, just like we did when the USSR put missiles in Cuba.

[CFLDem]

12. I think that's spot on.

[AcertainLiz]

11. It would have to if the Ukraine is invaded

[Bandit]

15. Why? We have no accords with Ukraine. They are not a part of NATO

There is no vital interest for America in Ukraine. We will impose heavy sanctions upon Russia if they invade and take over Ukraine but we will not engage Russia militarily.

[AcertainLiz]

19. Well, the US has enough vital interests in the Ukraine to get involved in its politics

Anyone who thinks the US wouldn't get militarily involved if the Ukraine was invaded is just dreaming.

[Bandit]

20. Well we certainly know who the dreamer is.

There is absolutely no way the USA would ever get involved militarily in Ukraine unless we were physically attacked by Russia and that is extremely unlikely.

[AcertainLiz]

21. Oh, please

First you say we have no interests there, when our leaders think otherwise, now you think if Europe were attacked by Russia we wouldn't get involved. Yeah, right. Keep dreaming.

[Bandit]

22. If any NATO country were to be attacked we would get involved but Ukraine nor Crimea

are in NATO. We did not get involved when Crimea was attacked and taken over by Russia and it is a part of Eastern Europe, so why on earth do you think we would get involved if Ukraine were taken over by Russia. Yes we have some political interest there but nowhere near enough to warrant military intervention.. I guess you will just have to watch and learn because Russia is not going to stop.

[AcertainLiz]

23. Crimea wasn't attacked, it was just Russians already stationed there securing the area

and it helped that Russians in Crimea wanted them there. A full-blown attack on the Ukraine would bring the US in for sure.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Actually Bandit is correct

the only way the US will get involved with force of arms is if Article V is invoked and that will only happen if a NATO ally is attacked. Ukraine is not one of them. (And this would very much risk a nuclear exchange by the way)

That said, I expect Russia to take all of Ukraine and claim it as it's own. IF they continue on to Warsaw, then we will have to get involved, since Poland IS a NATO member.

[AcertainLiz]

27. I just don't see the US sitting by while Ukraine is conquered.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. I do, because of those nuclear warheads

and becuase we are stretched to the point of being ridiculous. We used to have 100,000 combat troops in Europe, we are down to I think 30K, because we are pivoting to the Pacific (TTP)

Short of a national draft, we really do not have the manpower.

That said, we are forward deploying forces EAST, to NATO countries such as Poland and Rumania, we have been doing this shit for a while

This is the latest on that.

http://www.stripes.com/news/nato-to-deploy-more-forces-to-eastern-europe-in-response-to-ukraine-crisis-1.278197

For some reason we are not having our media cover this that much. I guess everybody is afraid that this might end up in a shooting war, and I think at that point all bets are off.

[AcertainLiz]

32. Yeah okay you make some really fair points

"Short of a national draft, we really do not have the manpower. "

Hey, another reason to have some conscription system I guess.

But regardless, I think even in our current situation we'd show some muscle to show Russia they can't just go into Europe like that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. We are, by trashing their economy,

there are ways to skin that nuclear kitty, just takes longer.

[AcertainLiz]

34. The Russian economy is being trashed?

I do know we gave them useless and ineffective sanctions, so I don't think you mean this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. The sanctions are not innefective

they are just enacting them in faces. The stock exchange is not doing well, for example.

[AcertainLiz]

36. Well, someone did send me this

It seems the sanctions won't do anything...

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. This is a very long game, not a short one

The alternative is a nuclear exchange. I am being quite serious here.

If the Russians go down the Fulda Gap, NATO will nuke them. In fact, I think they advance down Kharkov, they will nuke them to slow it down. And what happens next? I am sure right at the moment all those plans were dusted, re-read and reworked with current Order of Battle and alliance members.

I expect a new cold war tough.

[AcertainLiz]

39. Yeah but I don't want any nuking

Because then the world is over...

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. And that is why you will not see one US Trooper

in Ukraine.

If Putin presses to Poland. that is a different matter (and Poland is a member of the Alliance)

[AcertainLiz]

41. I don't think they'd attack if the US were in Ukraine

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. What troops?

That is the problem you are having and Ukraine IS NOT a member of the alliance. If you put troops there, it will confirm the worst fears from Moscow. A bad analogy, since it is somewhat a round peg into the square hole, would be Cuba and that crisis.

[AcertainLiz]

44. I think the Ukranians would want to be defended now

Esp. since their new government is anti-Russian. They should join NATO.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. But they are not members right now

[AcertainLiz]

46. They should be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. But they are not

and they will not join anytime soon

[AcertainLiz]

49. Insane.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Read this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4841666

And trust me, it is the cliffs notes.

[AcertainLiz]

51. Thanks :)

I'll read this later tonight.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. It truly depends on one thing

a violation of the sovereignty of a NATO member (read Poland for example)

At that point we are obligated and we don't, NATO dies.

Just for Ukraine, I don't think so.

[Raksha]

14. Why isn't there an option for "not officially or overtly"?

[1000words]

16. "Involved," in what manner?

[XRubicon]

17. No, but we should send those militia guys from Nevada

I'd like to see that.

Especially the bridge guy.

[CFLDem]

24. Lol

It's be fun to watch those 'manly men' crap their pants.

[Democracyinkind]

29. We'd have to fly them in, though...

...Not a chance that they would be able to locate Ukraine even if you'd drop them off at Polands western border.

[XRubicon]

31. True, we'd probably have to provide Depends too

This is America after all, we want them to have the equipment that we know they will need.

[tammywammy]

18. Only if it spills over into Poland. n/t

[RKP5637]

26. No, the US in no way wants an escalated war with a nuclear power like Russia. It would be insane,

totally stupid and accomplish nothing.

[Democracyinkind]

28. Aside from PMC's and intel, no.

Unwinnable without going total, and way too late.

[Exposethefrauds]

37. Unofficially I bet the US Military is in the Ukraine right now.

As for something publically or large scale doubtful.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Of course not.

nt

[bigwillq]

48. I voted no.

And I hope the US stays out of it.

[B Calm]

52. BECAUSE RUSSIA HAS NUKES!