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Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:31 AM

 

Is present-day American Conservatism right about ANYTHING?

There once was a time when Conservatism in the US actually was pro-environment (read Barry Goldwater's 1971 book, and related statements), and stood for actually conserving some things (being frugal with the budget, avoiding too many foreign intanglements, etc).

Nowadays, it is clear that Conservatism has become mere Corporatism and a set of knee-jerk rationalizations
that mainly support banking/investment and corporate interests with no exceptions.

Conservatism has morphed from a legitimate philosophy into a hi-jacked vehicle for blind support of wealth
and economic elites. It is self-serving for elites now and has no legitimate general applications
to the actual common good of the Nation as a whole.

It lies about science; It supports every war with no distinctions; It mis-represents what is Constitiutional and what is not;
It criticizes the separation of church and state; It supports predatory financialism and lopsided trade; It is racist, and uses racism to achieve its goals; It suppresses voting rights, it pursues secrecy in government, pushes the Drug War, crony capitalism, etc etc etc etc.

Conservatism, as preached nowadays by the GOP, Tea Party, Heritage Foundation, Koch Bros, Jamie Dimon, David Brooks, Fox, Limbaugh, etc etc etc, is wrong about everything.

If there are exceptions, please list them and empirically justify them here.

I'd really like to hear some, honestly.

While it may be true that for many people. FDR Liberalism isn't what it was, it at least still stands for something.
The term, Progressivism, still has meaning and makes distinctions that are sincere.

Present-day US Conservatism--Illegitimate, IMO.

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Reply Is present-day American Conservatism right about ANYTHING? (Original post)
nikto Apr 2014 OP
madville Apr 2014 #1
baldguy Apr 2014 #2
Skittles Apr 2014 #3
Scuba Apr 2014 #4
malaise Apr 2014 #5
countmyvote4real Apr 2014 #6
HughBeaumont Apr 2014 #7
pampango Apr 2014 #8
librechik Apr 2014 #9
nikto Apr 2014 #10
Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #11
Jgarrick Apr 2014 #12
nikto May 2014 #13

Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:07 AM

1. Right to carry issues

The only things I ever agree with modern conservatives on are some firearms issues. I have a concealed weapons permit and carry a handgun almost all the time unless it's prohibited.

Everything else is pretty much opposite of what is right or should happen.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:08 AM

2. There is nothing the modern conservate movement is on the correct side of.

 

And when individual conservatives find themselves on the correct side of a particular issue, it's invariably for all the wrong reasons.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:17 AM

3. no

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:21 AM

4. Can't think of a thing.

 

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:28 AM

5. The folks claiming to be conservatives today

have no idea of the meaning of the word and most of them can't spell it either.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:47 AM

6. So much to recommend about this thread. n/t

 

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:16 AM

7. And when you point out how wrong it is and they are . . .

. . . they just devolve into the most ugly ad-hominems, false dilemmas, victim blaming and victim denying. There's never a logical reason given as to why we should continue policies that have so blatantly failed everyone except the upper 5% of this country . . . it's all about "Because I said so" and talking to you like YOU'RE the idiot.

You'd have to go back close to 4 and a half decades to find something worthwhile and useful that came from conservative policy.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:18 AM

8. On some issues (immigration reform, trade, some budget issues) tea party & corporate conservatives

are at odds. I suppose one group or the other must be right about something though undoubtedly for all the wrong reasons.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:26 AM

9. sheesh, weren't you watching C-span 2 this weekend? Conservatism is GREAT!!

We got worshipful wall to wall coverage of all their little gatherings and publishings. What great Americans!!!

Didi I say this last weekend? Sorry, I meant EVERY weekend.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:09 AM

10. So, it looks like it's a wash

 

US Conservatism is pure excrement.

Where are its defenders?

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:32 AM

11. Well, we do have a budget deficit.

Unfortunately for conservatives, it's Republican presidents who have created that deficit, and Democratic presidents who have reduced or eliminated it.

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Response to nikto (Original post)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:37 AM

12. Gun rights. Nothing else comes to mind.

 

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Response to Jgarrick (Reply #12)

Thu May 1, 2014, 01:57 AM

13. I agree

 

Gun rights is all they've got.

And they tend to be absolutists on that issue, with no realistic flexibility.

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