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The Crime of Peaceful Protest
Posted on Apr 27, 2014
By Chris Hedges
NEW YORKCecily McMillan, wearing a red dress and high heels, her dark, shoulder-length hair stylishly curled, sat behind a table with her two lawyers Friday morning facing Judge Ronald A. Zweibel in Room 1116 at the Manhattan Criminal Court. The judge seems to have alternated between boredom and rage throughout the trial, now three weeks old. He has repeatedly thrown caustic barbs at her lawyers and arbitrarily shut down many of the avenues of defense. Friday was no exception.
The silver-haired Zweibel curtly dismissed a request by defense lawyers Martin Stolar and Rebecca Heinegg for a motion to dismiss the case. The lawyers had attempted to argue that testimony from the officer who arrested McMillan violated Fifth Amendment restrictions against the use of comments made by a defendant at the time of arrest. But the judge, who has issued an unusual gag order that bars McMillans lawyers from speaking to the press, was visibly impatient, snapping, This debate is going to end. He then went on to uphold his earlier decision to heavily censor videos taken during the arrest, a decision Stolar said is cutting the heart out of my ability to refute the prosecutions charge that McMillan faked a medical seizure in an attempt to avoid being arrested. Im totally handicapped, Stolar lamented to Zweibel.
The trial of McMillan, 25, is one of the last criminal cases originating from the Occupy protest movement. It is also one of the most emblematic. The state, after the coordinated nationwide eradication of Occupy encampments, has relentlessly used the courts to harass and neutralize Occupy activists, often handing out long probation terms that come with activists forced acceptance of felony charges. A felony charge makes it harder to find employment and bars those with such convictions from serving on juries or working for law enforcement. Most important, the long probation terms effectively prohibit further activism.
The Occupy Wall Street movement was not only about battling back against the rise of a corporate oligarchy that has sabotaged our democracy and made war on the poor and the working class. It was also about our right to peaceful protest. The police in cities across the country have been used to short-circuit this right. I watched New York City police during the Occupy protests yank people from sidewalks into the street, where they would be arrested. I saw police routinely shove protesters and beat them with batons. I saw activists slammed against police cars. I saw groups of protesters suddenly herded like sheep to be confined within police barricades. I saw, and was caught up in, mass arrests in which those around me were handcuffed and then thrown violently onto the sidewalk. The police often blasted pepper spray into faces from inches away, temporarily blinding the victims. This violence, carried out against nonviolent protesters, came amid draconian city ordinances that effectively outlawed protest and banned demonstrators from public spaces. It was buttressed by heavy police infiltration and surveillance of the movement. When the press or activists attempted to document the abuse by police they often were assaulted or otherwise blocked from taking photographs or videos. The message the state delivered is clear: Do not dissent. And the McMillan trial is part of the process. ...............(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_crime_of_peaceful_protest_20140427
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
malaise
(268,967 posts)Only those are allowed. There you can 'Occupy' state buildings, kill police and overthrow governments in the name of 'freedom for the IMF and Western interests to fugg you over".
We are living an inversion of reality while our rights are snatched from us.
you are correct. They approach the others as heroes, and don't report that our own peaceful demonstrators have been persecuted and charged with felonies, etc.
The general public doesn't even know about it, because it's not reported.
malaise
(268,967 posts)That was my life long lesson.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)malthaussen
(17,193 posts)As I always feel compelled to add.
-- Mal
malaise
(268,967 posts)Protest has been under siege for a long time.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Isn't that what they are saying by letting Bundy and his militia do whatever they want while the peaceful protests are taken down with force?
an armed Occupy movement would probably scare the bejeezus out of them, eh?
Damn those principles..
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I'm with Howard Zinn ...the only way to address and fix a major problem in our government is to mass protest and be civil disobedient. Voting will not work. Doubt that?
Women right to vote came from voting? Vietnam ended by voting? Equal rights came about by voting? Ok ..well ...enjoy your Hillary then.
randome
(34,845 posts)My guess is that she came into court with an attitude. Not a good way to get the judge on your side.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)...to collect disability you must be "totally and permanently handicapped".I believe this is what she may have been referring to...
randome
(34,845 posts)Although I once worked for SSA and the phrase back then was simply 'be unable to work'. Perhaps that's changed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Oy!
kath
(10,565 posts)The DEFENDENT did not say she is totally handicapped. Stolar, who is one of her ATTORNEYS, was complaining that his efforts to defend his client are being extremely compromised (handicapped) by the judge's very bizarre rulings.
But McMillan was the one who allegedly faked a seizure so I think I can be forgiven for reading too fast.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
Madmiddle
(459 posts)tells us that occupy protesters must be armed.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)There was not a word from our 'leaders' to stop the violence against those peaceful protesters despite the even a request from the UN Rappateur, something that never should even be necessary in a democracy.
Yet our leaders feign 'concern' about the treatment of protesters in other countries EVEN WHEN THOSE protests are VIOLENT.
I think the attorneys in this case are facing a judge who has a huge conflict of interest and should ask for a different venue, a different judge who is unbiased. This one is apparently far too biased against OWS protesters to be fit to hear this case.
Any ruling from him should, and I'm sure will be, instantly challenged if he is not allowing critical evidence into this farce of a 'trial'. Another puppet for Wall St it seems like.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Dave Lindorff
June 27, 2013 WhoWhatWhy.org
Would you be shocked to learn that the FBI apparently knew that some organization, perhaps even a law enforcement agency or private security outfit, had contingency plans to assassinate peaceful protestors in a major American city and did nothing to intervene?
Would you be surprised to learn that this intelligence comes not from a shadowy whistle-blower but from the FBI itself specifically, from a document obtained from Houston FBI office last December, as part of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by the Washington, DC-based Partnership for Civil Justice Fund?
To repeat: this comes from the FBI itself. The question, then, is: What did the FBI do about it?
The Plot
Remember the Occupy Movement? The peaceful crowds that camped out in the center of a number of cities in the fall of 2011, calling for some recognition by local, state and federal authorities that our democratic system was out of whack, controlled by corporate interests, and in need of immediate repair?
That movement swept the US beginning in mid-September 2011. When, in early October, the movement came to Houston, Texas, law enforcement officials and the citys banking and oil industry executives freaked out perhaps even more so than they did in some other cities. The push-back took the form of violent assaults by police on Occupy activists, federal and local surveillance of people seen as organizers, infiltration by police provocateursand, as crazy as it sounds, some kind of plot to assassinate the leaders of this non-violent and leaderless movement.
CONTINUED...
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/27/fbi-document-deleted-plots-to-kill-occupy-leaders-if-deemed-necessary/
Peaceful people are the enemy of Secret Police. Secret Spying. Secret Laws. Secret Courts. Secret Detentions. Secret Executions...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)There should be an investigation into this IF we truly are a democracy. Perhaps it's time to reverse the infiltration process now, the people need to infiltrate the political system.
Has Congress this treasonous plot to kill Americans for exercising their Constitutional Rights? I know, a stupid question, one would have to live in a democracy for that to happen.
People need to be very careful obviously. I remember being told we were being hyperbolic at the time for being concerned that people were being so brutally treated that it appeared the robo cops didn't really seem to care if they did kill someone.
Thanks for that link. It SHOULD spark outrage but so far I haven't seen much.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)So, they do their best to choke off discussion in their assumed roles as gatekeepers of all media.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)McMillan is not denying elbowing a policeman in the face; her defence is that she did it because he grabbed her breast.
This video is from a fair way away, and doesn't rule that out, but it looks highly unlikely to me.
There may well be a case to be made that excessive force was used in her arrest. But describing her as a "peaceful protestor" entails an unquestioning acceptance of her version of the facts which I do not think is justified.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)country were involved, PEACEFULLY, in the first phase of this movement?
Would you like me to post some video, there are literally hundreds of them, showing the brutality of the 'army' that was sent out, coordinated at a federal level, we know now for certain, towards people who were doing nothing more than standing or walking as is their right to do, expressing their opinions on issues that are of the utmost importance to the people.
I could start with the woman in her eighties, a surviver of Nazi Germany, who was brutally attacked by what passes for civilian police, with pepper spray for simply BEING THERE.
I can show you more of an Iraq Veteran who was nearly killed by an unprovoked attack from a coward dressed like a robo cop who then attacked the peaceful, decent people who rant to try to try to help him.
Or the beating of another Iraq Veteran who lost his spleen, by another mob of cowards dressed like robo cops for simply walking to his home.
And you post a video of one woman out of tens of thousands of peaceful protesters but neglect to show the brutality towards the old, the young, veterans, women, and men for exercising their supposed rights in what is supposed to be a democracy?
What IS your point? The WORLD witnessed the brutality of the US towards its own people for over two weeks and were appalled to the point where the UN Rappateur on Human Rights made an appeal to the US Govt to intervene on their behalf to protect those innocent people from the brutality they were exposed to.
And yet, despite the horrific behavior of these thugs in uniform, the people showed incredible restraint.
Did that cop sexually assault that woman, most likely, in fact more than likely considering what was done to other women by them..
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Someone posts a thread about a specific incident, I google for details of that incident to see if their description of it is accurate, find out almost immediately that it is probably misleading, post the relevant video, and comment on the incident in question.
You describe this as "digging deeply" and go off on a long tirade about a large number of other, completely unconnected, incidents with nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Nonviolent civil disobedience can be an effective tactic, if it is part of a larger political strategy, with definite and well-chosen goals, and with careful attention to organizing people for further action
But when one chooses to use civil disobedience, it is important to train people so they know what to expect and are prepared to avoid unfortunate reactions: if you elbow a cop in the face while being arrested, you can expect to be charged with assaulting an officer, even if you feel it was an accidental reflex on your part -- and, in fact, if it WAS an accidental reflex on your part, that strongly suggests you weren't adequately prepared to engage in nonviolent direction action and probably weren't trained appropriately. One can't simply issuea blanket call to the population-at-large -- Come down to participate in our civil disobedience! -- and expect good results
Zuccotti Park itself, unfortunately, is a site of little or no political or military strategic value. There is no doubt many people enjoyed drumming, eating, or discussing current issues with new friends there. But establishing a right to camp in Zuccotti really accomplishes nothing. Moreover, the situation in Zuccotti appears to have eventually evolved into a situation where a rather limited collection of citizens decided as a group who could be in the park and who should be escorted off-site -- which is hardly ideal
Chris Hedges is a bright and energetic man -- but his major experience has been as a war-correspondent, and it shows. Hedges craves the adrenaline rush of cosmic life-and-death struggle and (sadly) really doesn't think effectively in organizing terms. McMillan's childhood poverty, memories of small-town Texas racism, experiments with avant-garde theatre, and so on, might make for a good personal-interest piece, though that seems not to be what Hedges is writing, since he also launches into a discussion of oligarchy. In the end, Hedges has produced nothing but muddy mush here: camping in Zuccotti park did not strike any meaningful blow against the class divisions in American society, nor could it have produced meaningful organization for future change; the movement involved no definite analysis and hence could not produce concrete goals; and all we really have left are questions such as, Is putting a young woman on trial, for elbowing a cop in the eye, evidence of a crackdown on peaceful protest? One can engage in endless polemic, trying to convince people to adopt a particular answer to that question, but in the end one still won't get anywhere worthwhile
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)But I will take his observations over all those, most of them from the far right, who from the beginning found this hugely successful movement to be a threat for some reason.
This was the beginning of a growing global movement against the greed, corruption and criminality of those who collapsed the world's economies and so far, got away with it.
Btw, if you had understood the movement you would have known that if you believe you know more about how to get the world's attention than those who showed up, all you had to do was start your own Occupy and show us how to do it. That was the beauty of it, anyone could start an Occupy group.
I assume since you did not do that, you were opposed to the protests themselves. Thanks for all your expert advice, but we didn't see you out there. I did see Chris Hedges many times, among other great Americans and the success of the movement was way beyond the original intentions of the initial organizations. It was a huge success, and is now entering a new phase.
Thank you Occupiers for forcing this issue into the public debate!
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)interesting now to see more focus on those who are entering that phase of the movement. But he is NOT the first. Nadin, eg, reported on this over a year ago airc, but most Occupy supporters and members stopped writing and discussing the movement here on DU. Shamefully, this forum is no longer a place to discuss these important and exciting issues. There are far better places for that, most people involved in this Social Justice movement, Hedges eg, among many other well known Americans, are busy DOING things and are not interested in wasting time, as I am now doing, even talking to people who oppose Social Justice movements such as this one. That may be why those here who always opposed it, are unaware of all that has been going for the past couple of years.
Until the issues that created the need for this now Global movement are resolved, the movement will continue to grow, but not on forums like this. The social media has been very useful for the continuation of the growth of the movement, definitely not here which is a shame, but that is the way it is.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)An Occupy founder says the next revolution will be rural
28 Apr 2014 8:10 AM
By Amber Cortes
(emphasis added)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for office. I am very glad he is running, and thrilled that it was OWS that inspired him. It has inspired many others to do the same, but as I said, most people who are out there doing things in OWS are not here talking about it on DU.
White is a great example of what OWS achieved. It challenged people who were just sitting around complaining, not knowing what to do about everything that they knew was wrong about this country. What he thinks about the initial phase is unimportant, what is important is it inspired him to become more than just someone who knew things were not going well for the people, but to go out and do what he thinks is the best way to make the changes he knows need to be made.
Again, thanks Occupiers for all the inspiration.
Like everyone else who supports and/or is a part of this movement, I can't waste any more time talking to people whose only goal in life seems to be to try to denigrate those who ARE out there doing something.
Have fun looking for the negatives, I feel extremely positive about the future and am thrilled that OWS got people like White and the others who have decided to enter politics, to get up and start participating.