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I think the death penalty may have died tonight. (Original Post) onehandle Apr 2014 OP
I really hope so. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #1
Sure hope so, elleng Apr 2014 #2
In my opinion she is the worst Governor madokie Apr 2014 #17
If you think THAT because of the suffering of a condemned prisoner Loudly Apr 2014 #3
I hope so. n/t tammywammy Apr 2014 #4
Disagree. Americans today don't care about prisoners - guilty OR innocent. closeupready Apr 2014 #5
Sadly, I agree with you. The RW *loves* that he suffered. PeaceNikki Apr 2014 #24
Uh, several members here love that he suffered Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #34
R-wingers only regrets Spirochete Apr 2014 #39
Damn, I wish. Control-Z Apr 2014 #6
Doubt it. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #7
we need to learn that killing people to solve problems quaker bill Apr 2014 #19
I sure hope so. oldandhappy Apr 2014 #8
No way, this country loves it. nt Logical Apr 2014 #9
Sadly, I don't think so. herding cats Apr 2014 #10
Oklahoma executed it. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #11
Amazing it's taken this long, but yeah, this logjam seems to be finally breaking loose. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #12
I hope so, too. McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #13
If apartheid South Africa could stop... Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2014 #14
No. It won't. "Pro-life" Conservatives are celebrating. davidn3600 Apr 2014 #15
Hopefully that is the case madokie Apr 2014 #16
i hope you're right. barbtries Apr 2014 #18
No, actually we are not that polite. quaker bill Apr 2014 #20
Seems more likely that this will set a new standard Orrex Apr 2014 #21
It's been dying a slow death for awhile now. It can't end soon enough. morningfog Apr 2014 #22
I suspect that the method will change JJChambers Apr 2014 #23
Dream on malaise Apr 2014 #25
Maybe, let's work to make it true. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #26
Yes, it was horrible get the red out Apr 2014 #27
Who was executed ? aikoaiko Apr 2014 #28
I would hope so, but I fear it hasn't. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #29
Unfortunately - not likely - otherwise these would have killed it Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #30
no the bloodlust remains dembotoz Apr 2014 #31
You're dreaming. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #32
Nope IDemo Apr 2014 #33
I hope so. This was terrible. jwirr Apr 2014 #35
Nope. jeff47 Apr 2014 #36
One can only hope MissMillie Apr 2014 #37
That study just realeased stating that 4.1% of people given life sentences are later found innocent Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #38
I disagree MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #40
Just saw these posts on Facebook joeglow3 Apr 2014 #41

madokie

(51,076 posts)
17. In my opinion she is the worst Governor
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:01 AM
Apr 2014

we've had, in my lifetime anyway
I have agreed with her Zero times on Zero issues

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
3. If you think THAT because of the suffering of a condemned prisoner
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:52 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:40 AM - Edit history (1)

then I don't know where such political support would come from.

I truly don't, Onehandle.

In a red state or otherwise.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
5. Disagree. Americans today don't care about prisoners - guilty OR innocent.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:55 PM
Apr 2014

(Except, of course, for their loved ones, and conscientious Americans.)

My point is, one botched execution won't stop our prison industry from its continued bloodshed. IMHO, of course.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
24. Sadly, I agree with you. The RW *loves* that he suffered.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:45 AM
Apr 2014

The bloodlust and celebration of the suffering of that prisoner in his death among my RW friends is disgusting. They actually want it to be more and worse.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
39. R-wingers only regrets
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

are that they didn't get video footage of it, for fapping material. Sick fucks...

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
6. Damn, I wish.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:58 PM
Apr 2014

I can't imagine it, though.

Crazy hate-talk radio hosts were pissed that they didn't get the promised excitement of a double execution. I kid you not. So fucked up.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
7. Doubt it.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:02 AM
Apr 2014

The overwhelming majority of Republicans wont give a shit and wont be disgusted that some black guy suffered before he died.

And we're already seeing that a good chunk of Democrats seem to be ok with it also. Our current President approves of the death penalty the chosen one Hillary Clinton approves of the death penalty and just about any candidate that will run for the Republican nomination will approve of it.







We live in a sick country, and that isn't about to change.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
19. we need to learn that killing people to solve problems
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:10 AM
Apr 2014

does not solve problems. It only validates the concept that killing people is a potential solution to problems. Most crimes of passion are simply attempts by individuals to "solve problems" at a personal level.

It is just like how we need to learn that you do not solve poverty by giving more money to rich people. It does not solve poverty, it just makes rich people richer. Rich people got rich by getting money and then keeping it, it never trickles anywhere but up.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
8. I sure hope so.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:12 AM
Apr 2014

I live in CA. We had a proposition on the ballot in 2012 and lost. We will get it next time. To be a member country of the EU you have to get rid of the death penalty. Hope we can catchup.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
10. Sadly, I don't think so.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:55 AM
Apr 2014

I understand your reasoning, and agree it should be enough. What I'm doubting is that were evolved enough as a society for it to matter to the extent it should.

The hate runs deep in our society. It's extremely difficult to reach past a wall of hate that demands vengeance instead of justice.

I'll concede we're a small step closer to ending the DP, but I fear were still miles away from being that enlightened as a society.

NGU! We'll get there eventually.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
14. If apartheid South Africa could stop...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:52 AM
Apr 2014

I would like to believe we can do the same.

Although this time put a stop to the "What's for Dinner..." and meth cook approach to lethal injections for the foreseeable future.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
20. No, actually we are not that polite.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:13 AM
Apr 2014

There are many who are likely concerned that death is administered far too comfortably and far too privately.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
21. Seems more likely that this will set a new standard
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:27 AM
Apr 2014

Now that they have an easy way to make executions even more nightmarish and barbaric, there will certainly be a bloodthirsty crowd lobbying for the "botched" execution to become SOP.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
22. It's been dying a slow death for awhile now. It can't end soon enough.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:30 AM
Apr 2014

And this latest horror should help speed up the end.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
23. I suspect that the method will change
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:42 AM
Apr 2014

Lethal injection will fall out of favor, rope or firing squad will return to favor.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
27. Yes, it was horrible
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:56 AM
Apr 2014

I am torn. My philosophical side reasons that the state should not have the authority to kill it's citizens. Imprison forever DEFINITELY.

My emotional side wants the scum that commit horrific crimes fucking DEAD, and living miserably until the end.

Just being honest.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
29. I would hope so, but I fear it hasn't.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:10 AM
Apr 2014

You still have a lot of yahoos out there who love the idea that a condemned person suffered even more than was planned and will brand it "justice".

I'm afraid the only way to get at the death penalty would be for the courts to take action and to rule once and for all that it is a clear violation of the 8th Amendment. Why they haven't already done so, I have no clue. But I guess many judges fear it would ruin their "law and order" reputations.

And then I see the current make of the Supreme Court and I can't be too optimistic about it. But maybe I'm wrong. I sure hope so.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
30. Unfortunately - not likely - otherwise these would have killed it
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:33 AM
Apr 2014
Almost a century later, in March 1997, American newspapers carried stories of another botched execution—the electrocution of Pedro Medina, a 39-year-old Cuban immigrant convicted and condemned for stabbing a Florida high school teacher to death. After the current was turned on, as one newspaper put it, flames “leaped from the head” of the condemned. “‘It was horrible,” a witness was quoted as saying, “a solid flame covered his whole head, from one side to the other. I had the impression of somebody being burned alive.” Another reporter wrote, “The electrocution of Pedro Medina on Tuesday was the stuff of nightmares and horror fiction novels and films. A foot-long blue and orange flame shot from the mask covering his head for about 10 seconds, filling the execution chamber with smoke and sickening witnesses with the odor of charred human flesh.”


http://www.lifeofthelaw.org/a-mostly-untold-story-botched-executions-and-the-legitimacy-of-capital-punishment/

Sept. 2, 1983. Mississippi. Jimmy Lee Gray. Asphyxiation. Officials had to clear the room eight minutes after the gas was released when Gray's desperate gasps for air repulsed witnesses. His attorney, Dennis Balske of Montgomery, Alabama, criticized state officials for clearing the room when the inmate was still alive. Said noted death penalty defense attorney David Bruck, "Jimmy Lee Gray died banging his head against a steel pole in the gas chamber while the reporters counted his moans (eleven, according to the Associated Press)." Later it was revealed that the executioner, Barry Bruce, was drunk.

. . .

17. April 6, 1992. Arizona. Donald Eugene Harding. Asphyxiation. Death was not pronounced until 10 1/2 minutes after the cyanide tablets were dropped. During the execution, Harding thrashed and struggled violently against the restraining straps. A television journalist who witnessed the execution, Cameron Harper, said that Harding's spasms and jerks lasted 6 minutes and 37 seconds. "Obviously, this man was suffering. This was a violent death ... an ugly event. We put animals to death more humanely." Another witness, newspaper reporter Carla McClain, said, "Harding's death was extremely violent. He was in great pain. I heard him gasp and moan. I saw his body turn from red to purple." One reporter who witnessed the execution suffered from insomnia and assorted illnesses for several weeks; two others were "walking vegetables" for several days.

. . .

22. May 3, 1995. Missouri. Emmitt Foster. Lethal Injection. Seven minutes after the lethal chemicals began to flow into Foster's arm, the execution was halted when the chemicals stopped circulating. With Foster gasping and convulsing, the blinds were drawn so the witnesses could not view the scene. Death was pronounced thirty minutes after the execution began, and three minutes later the blinds were reopened so the witnesses could view the corpse. According to William "Mal" Gum, the Washington County Coroner who pronounced death, the problem was caused by the tightness of the leather straps that bound Foster to the execution gurney; it was so tight that the flow of chemicals into the veins was restricted. Foster did not die until several minutes after a prison worker finally loosened the straps. The coroner entered the death chamber twenty minutes after the execution began, diagnosed the problem, and told the officials to loosen the strap so the execution could proceed. In an editorial, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch called the execution "a particularly sordid chapter in Missouri's capital punishment experience."


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/some-examples-post-furman-botched-executions

While I wish it was the case that horror stories would halt our use of executions, incidents like this only delight those who believe it is a good idea (and that our current methods of execution are too kind), and vanish too quickly to sustain any real movement for change.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
33. Nope
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:33 AM
Apr 2014

It isn't as much about keeping dangerous criminals away from humanity, which could easily be done with a life sentence in maximum security. It's about vengeance; gaining revenge in an eye-for-an-eye spirit that is deeply satisfying to a large segment of the population. Far from decrying the "botched" executions, you can count on roars of approval that prisoners got what they deserved.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
36. Nope.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:49 AM
Apr 2014

There's plenty of bloodlust here.

If this execution can't turn DU against the death penalty, it's not going to turn the general population against the death penalty.

MissMillie

(38,581 posts)
37. One can only hope
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:12 AM
Apr 2014

I do think that the reluctance of drug companies to manufacture the drugs will eventually make a difference when it comes to lethal injection.

I just can't help but wonder what the death penalty crowd will think of next when lethal injection is no longer an option. Scary thought.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
38. That study just realeased stating that 4.1% of people given life sentences are later found innocent
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:08 PM
Apr 2014

gives me a lot of reason to pause on the death penalty.

To me that is nowhere near a safe margin of error when assigning such a final and undo-able punishment. I'm not at all with giving anyone a death penalty if there is a 1 in 25 chance that they might be innocent.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
41. Just saw these posts on Facebook
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:20 PM
Apr 2014

"Oh... The cocktail didn't work...? Hmm... So sorry murderer of a 19 year old girl who wasn't able to see what she could accomplish in Omlahoma. While the government investigates, they should consider bringing back public hangings or instituting death by guillotine... I just love a good show!"

"Jesus... He shot her and buried her alive! And people are upset HE may have felt a little pain!?"

Yeah, I don't think anything will change.

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