The White House Wants to Issue You an Online ID - driver's license for the internet

[Jesus Malverde]

A few years back, the White House had a brilliant idea: Why not create a single, secure online ID that Americans could use to verify their identity across multiple websites, starting with local government services. The New York Times described it at the time as a "driver's license for the internet."

Sound convenient? It is. Sound scary? It is.

Next month, a pilot program of the "National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace" will begin in government agencies in two US states, to test out whether the pros of a federally verified cyber ID outweigh the cons.

Read More: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-white-house-wants-to-issue-you-an-online-id

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/NSTICstrategy_041511.pdf

[House of Roberts]

1. I already have one.

It's called an IP address.

[Jesus Malverde]

6. Don't forget your devices MAC address cause the NSA sure hasn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address

[Go Vols]

43. Spoof it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_spoofing

[snooper2]

11. RFC1918 or RFC2460

[snooper2]

2. Oh Noes They Want to Give Everyone Number Of the BEAST!

END TIMES ARE COMING!


They did it with SS numbers now they are targeting us again Government wants to track me!

What are the trolls going to do! We are going to be under NSA Rule and DIE!

[enlightenment]

3. I never realized how appropriate your username is until now.

[grasswire]

51. I noted that quite a while ago. nt

[Jesus Malverde]

4. Say good bye to anonymity.

Oh feck, I left my biometric card at work. I guess I won't be posting on DU today...

[sabrina 1]

10. So we are going to receive benefits with this ID#, you know, like SS, which btw has always been

abused as it was never meant to be used for ID purposes. But hey, who cares, living in a surveillance state is soooo democratic.

[snooper2]

13. I KNOW sabrina! and we NOW HAVE PROOF! You won't believe this, watch this video

Mind blowing, they really are watching EVERYTHING!

[sabrina 1]

19. Your sources are not very good. We have way better proof than that, thanks to Whistle Blowers

like Edward Snowden eg. Try using more reliable sources. Most of us know where to find the info, if you're interested, that is.

Imagine, a democracy that spies on all of its own citizens. That doesn't sound right, don't you agree?

[LuvNewcastle]

56. I don't believe we've had a democracy in my lifetime,

so I'm really not surprised to see all this shit.

[sabrina 1]

95. Seems that way. But during the Bush era I admit, I thought we had a democracy and all we had to do

was elect Democrats to make sure we kept it. Now I'm thinking you are right, we haven't had a democracy for a long time. And it's a good thing to face that fact because it means that now we can begin to try to do something about it.

[Holly_Hobby]

20. HP printers are known for that n/t

[whopis01]

32. Someone is just learning about the EURion Constellation - this has been around almost 20 years

https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/collections/steg-eurion-constellation.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

[villager]

12. Your post already tells us what the trolls are going to do.

n/t

[City Lights]

14. LOL!

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. ...

[snooper2]

33. Trolls will use SIP URI to their advantage!

The New Age is coming!


Prepare Villager PREPARE!

[villager]

42. Indeed, sometimes trolls double down.

n/t

[Mr.Bill]

71. The next thing you know

they'll want us to put metal ID plates with numbers on our cars so they will know everywhere we go.

[CountAllVotes]

5. Have been wanting to dump my computer

Cannot afford it anyway ...

With this new "rule" or it is, I'm done.

& recommend.

[randome]

9. Um, it's not a rule, it's a pilot test program.

Which I think will go nowhere.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[JDPriestly]

69. See my post #68.

[NuclearDem]

7. Oh FUCK that.

[Jesus Malverde]

8. The identity ecosystem...YOU in a petri dish.

http://www.nist.gov/nstic/identity-ecosystem.html

Faster Online Errands—Mary is tired of memorizing dozens of passwords to conduct her personal online errands. She opts instead to get a smart card issued by her Internet service provider. She inserts the card into her computer and in a matter of minutes, with just clicks of her mouse, she is able to securely conduct business with her bank, mortgage company, and doctor, while also sending an email to her friend and checking her office calendar hosted by her employer.

We plan on putting this everywhere from your bank to your workplace. Lose your card, you've lost the internet.

Age Appropriate Access—Antonio, age 13, loves to visit online chat rooms to talk to other students his age. His parents give him permission to get an identity credential, stored on a keychain fob, from his school. The credential verifies his age so that he can visit chat rooms for adolescents, but it does not reveal his birth date, name, or other information. Nor does it inform the school about his online activities.

We'll keep your online chats just between friends and us, the trusted government.

Smart Phone Transactions—Parvati does most of her online transactions using her smart phone. She downloads a "digital certificate" from an ID provider that resides as an application on her phone. Used with a single, short PIN or password, the phone's application is used to prove her identity. She can do all her sensitive transactions, even pay her taxes, through her smart phone without remembering complex passwords whenever and wherever it is convenient for her.

No Facebook (ID provider) no internet for you. we'll make it super easy to pay your daily tax.

Efficient and Secure Business Operations—Juan owns a small business and is setting up a new online storefront. Without making large investments, he wants customers to know that his small firm can provide the same safety and privacy for their transactions as sites for larger companies. He agrees to follow the Identity Ecosystem privacy and security requirements, earning a "trustmark" logo for his Web site. To reduce his risk of fraud, he needs to know that his customers' credit cards or other payment mechanisms are valid and where to ship his merchandise. There are a number of different ID providers that can issue credentials that validate this information. Millions of individuals can now use his Web site without having to share extra personal information or even set up accounts with Juan's company. This saves his customers time, increases their confidence, and saves Juan money.

"Millions of individuals" will be able to do the same thing they do now with a credit card.

Enhanced Public Safety—Joel is a doctor. A devastating hurricane occurs close to his home. Using his interoperable ID credential embedded in his cell phone and issued by his employer, he logs in to a Web portal maintained by a federal agency. The site tells him that his medical specialty is urgently needed at a triage center nearby. When he arrives, officials at the center use his credential to verify that he is a licensed doctor, and Joel is able to provide medical attention for victims.

LULZ Joel lost his phone, he no longer can practice medicine....

Log into coveredID.gov to reapply.

[JDPriestly]

73. This is an admission that the use of a password is a claim to privacy.

The rule is that you have privacy where you have an expectation of privacy. I have an expectation of privacy when I use a password. I wouldn't use the password if I did not expect privacy.

This is a dirty trick on the part of the government to circumvent the law.

How crummy, how low can our government go?

This idea is positively perverted. By getting an internet license you hand all your personal data and the right to put you under surveillance to the government.

I say no, no, no. Loud and clear. This would go too far.

Our passwords protect us. This license system would soon be useless because internet thieves would find a way to circumvent it.

A license ID and number could be easily counterfeited. If you have a different password for each account, you are better protected than by having one ID card that will have one means of identifying you.

Not only is this idea a trick, it is stupid. It won't protect anyone. The ID card cannot be made to be as secure as your random passwords.

[Supersedeas]

83. your financial life, your medical history, your entertainment and business practices

[jberryhill]

15. IMHO the point is widely misinterpreted

Your online identity for the purpose of conducting commercial transactions on the internet is in the hands of the banks, ISPs, and credit agencies.

[Jesus Malverde]

16. Check out the use cases above your post...nt

[jberryhill]

21. I don't have a problem with the use cases

I do have a problem with the commentary between them, which appears not to understand that using two-factor identification does not involve the credential issuer in the transaction.

[Jesus Malverde]

24. hardware based, issued by third parties, revokable at any time.

Sucks in every way and per the first use case is single factor...

Cause passwords are hard.

[jberryhill]

26. Indeed it does

As does, for example, the Google Authenticator app which I use for two-factor authentication for various purposes professionally.

Unlike a token with actual legal protections around it, it is revocable at any time for any reason.

But I wonder... when I go to the bank in real life to do something, they ask me for government-issued ID, such as a driver's license or passport, to establish who I am. They can also be lost or revoked.

Do you have a general objection to all forms of government-issued ID, or simply electronic ones?

And, need I point out, the fact that I use a driver's license to verify who I am and what my age is when I buy beer, does not engage the government in my purchase of beer.

[Jesus Malverde]

30. I have a problem with a single system imposed on me by the government

to access the internet, practice my trade, or comment online. Its a single point of control issued by the government.

It totally sucks.

[jberryhill]

36. Right, so...

You prefer a patchwork system managed by different corporations under "screw you" terms of service.

Because that's what we have now for anyone who wants to use two-factor authentication to secure any service they use or offer.

This is not something "the government will require to access the internet", which is the teabagger spin on this thing.

[Jesus Malverde]

38. yeah duh.

Welcome to the internet, manage your own passwords and use a RSA fob for really secure access.

Having the government manage this is insanity.

[jberryhill]

48. "use a RSA fob for really secure access"

Which can be invalidated by a private entity for any reason or no reason.

Okay, we at least understand each other's preferences.

Provided you comply with the terms of service for it, which may be updated at any time without public notice and comment provisions of the Administrative Procedure Act, and against which you agree to waive any legal recourse or review in favor of private arbitration paid for by the service providers, that's fine.

All bow to RSA then, I suppose. The government, I elect. The legal staff at RSA, not so much.

[Jesus Malverde]

50. Lulz...I get it your back to humor.

It's late here and I need to get to sleep.

Later!

[jberryhill]

53. Why do you prefer large corporations to the government?

That's not a joke.

[SkyDaddy7]

64. I just want to say...

I could not agree more with all the points you were making...Plus, people act as if you will not be allowed on the internet without one when that is not what this is about. Like you I would rather deal with a system controlled by those we elect rather than a system in which I have no recourse or say in anything.

Thanks!

[jberryhill]

66. What astounds me is...

...have a gander at the threads on the NTIA/IANA transition.

Complete opposite.

[Jesus Malverde]

94. You do realize the back end of this system will be run by the government?..nt

[toddwv]

65. It's voluntary.

Says so in the first couple of pages.

[A Simple Game]

75. Does the clerk ever record your license ID number?

I don't buy beer so I honestly don't know for sure, but I seem to remember seeing the clerk type something into the cash register when someone else had to show ID.

Do you have a loyalty card? Rumors were that the government had access to your purchase information when using a loyalty card with some grocery chains. Don't know if it's true, it is supposedly to check for bomb making material purchases.

[jberryhill]

86. Yeah....

In fact, most of the retailers around here who sell tobacco and alchol have programmed their point-of-sale systems to require entry of a number in order for the transaction to proceed, in order to make sure the clerks are checking.

[JoeyT]

88. Nope.

They're typing in the birthday of the person making the purchase. They do the same for tobacco in most places. It's so the store can claim they did everything within their power to prevent sale of alcohol/tobacco to minors. They're not actually tracking anything.

What they do record your license number for is any OTC medicine containing psuedoephedrine, but that's the War on Drugs for you.

[jberryhill]

91. However....

Saving a two-factor auth code doesn't do anything.

[randome]

27. So if you don't have the hardware, you don't participate. Sounds simple to me.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[Jesus Malverde]

31. In what the internet?...nt

[randome]

45. Right. A vendor that wants to purchase the hardware can require someone to use a secure ID.

Those who don't won't. I don't see how this is different from a credit card.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[sabrina 1]

22. Unless you don't do your banking business online or can't because you don't have enough

money to keep in a bank. I know, it's hard to imagine people who don't have enough money to play with but use it all up just trying to pay their bills every month.

[jberryhill]

23. Why do you suppose it is hard for me to imagine that?

And what does that have to do with establishing an authentication standard?

Having had to make choices in life between, for example, food or transit fare to get to work, I find your presumptions toward every who is not you to be insulting and inappropriate.

[sabrina 1]

28. What made you think I was referring to you? I don't know you from adam or your circumstances.

You stated this ID/Internet 'driving license' would be good for banking purposes, I responded that, obviously I thought referring to whosever stupid idea it is, that of course they don't consider those who cannot even afford a bank account.

We don't NEED an internet ID. The internet doesn't look like it's falling apart due to the fact that we don't all have ID /driver's licenses. I wonder what will be required to get one? Good driving record? That wouldn't make sense, but then what does these days?

[jberryhill]

34. "We don't NEED an internet ID"

That's right. You don't.

You don't NEED a passport or a driver's license either, unless you intend to do something that many people live fine without doing.

"The internet doesn't look like it's falling apart due to the fact that we don't all have ID /driver's licenses."

And, while I can certainly imagine being in a difficult financial situation for an extended period of time - since I was for a number of years - I'm going to guess that you can't imagine the level of identity theft and fraudulent transactions resulting in chargeback fees to regular folks trying to make a living online.

[Jesus Malverde]

37. So because there is fraud we should make the government the amazon one click of the internet.

You're not seeing the proposal for what it is. This is a single point of failure and by extension control.

[jberryhill]

39. "the amazon one click of the internet"

That's not what this is.

How do you tolerate doing stuff like purchasing alcohol, and being asked to show a government issued ID?

[Jesus Malverde]

41. I don't purchase alcohol on the internet,

If I did they would verify my identity with a credit card and not an ID.

Not everyone who buys alcohol has to show an ID only those that the businessman suspects. You want to live in a world where everyone online is a suspect??

[jberryhill]

52. Depends on your state

The point of sale terminals in mine require a driver's license number in order to process a transaction.

And that's largely due to retailer policies designed to protect them from accusations of sales to minors.

Your state or retailer policy may differ, but mine requires ID for every transaction involving alcohol or tobacco - no exceptions.

No, I don't want to "live in a world where everyone online is a suspect", but I would be curious to know what your experience has been with clients who conduct retail online and have been ruined by not paying $$$ to the companies who collect the various royalties and service fees for getting fraud down to a manageable level.

I don't know what world you've been living in, but mine has signs like this all over it:





It's fine that you don't purchase alcohol online. There are, however, people who would like to purchase wine that is not available at their local retailer. But, per the usual internet forum ethic, "everyone should be like me".

[sabrina 1]

44. Of course I know about online fraud. Just how would having an internet 'driving license' stop that?

We have ID#s for that , they are called IP #s. And how would they catch foreign crooks who are not required to have these ID#s? A great deal of internet fraud comes from overseas.

Since our government is spying on everyone already how will a drivers license give them anymore info than they are collecting anyhow??

And what will the FEES be? We KNOW this is about MONEY because everything always is.

All this would do is to force most people who are NOT criminals to pay for a service they don't need to pay for while the crooks will find ways around it. Iow only honest people will actually be honest about it. But the already obscenely wealthy will make a whole lot more money ONLY from honest people and I am willing to bet, just like the massive spying program supposed to 'catch terrorists' which has not we now know, no bad guys will be caught with this either. BECAUSE THAT ISN'T the goal. The goal is MONEY.

[Jesus Malverde]

35. How soon before they revoke it cause you posted online and had your post hidden by a jury.

Visited an unapproved website, or got caught smoking weed.

Revoking drivers licenses happens often for things that don't involve driving.

Its bizarre.

[demwing]

72. Thread Winner!!

[City Lights]

18. This sounds like a terrible idea.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. This from the folks that give us the NSA? Secure?

[Jesus Malverde]

97. More like the folks who built the ACA website....nt

[NightWatcher]

29. Wow, something else that we don't need, that they'd find a way to screw up

Is it expensive too? I bet a contractor would make a few billion off of it.

I already had to get a TWIC and that's the most pointless ID out there.

[sabrina 1]

47. We don't need it, but it's never about us. THEY will make lots of money though and that is

what it's all about. They will USE fear to sell the idea, 'we are just trying to protect you from online scammers' etc. Sure, like they've caught dozens of terrorists with their massive spying program, which was also ONLY about money.

[JoeyT]

90. The horseshit involved in a TWIC card are why I'd oppose this.

Even if I thought it was a good idea to start with, which I don't. TWIC cards can get fucked up and revoked for all sorts of things. One of the guys that used to travel with me found out his was revoked when he got to the gate for a job. It had been revoked because an entirely different person with the same name had been convicted of manufacturing meth. It took him three months to sort that shit out, and in the meantime he was out of work because he couldn't get past the guard shack.

Mine took multiple tries to get because of someone with a similar name having a shitload of arrests. Enough to spill over to people that never heard of the guy, it seems. Meanwhile I was shit out of luck because I couldn't get past the guard shack.

I'll pass on giving the feds any more control over my movements or finance, thanks.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

40. The first question on everbody's mind ought to be --

"What could the GOP do with this?"

[Jesus Malverde]

46. the second question should be which private contractor will the government choose,.

Will oracle be feeding at the trough or will Facebook.

Maybe the losers who were chosen to build the ACA website.

[JEB]

58. Sounds like another corporate raid on the treasury.

Make up a crisis and grab the profits.

[Shandris]

49. For some reason they never seem to consider that.

I find it absolutely baffling. Like I said on William Pitt's post about bringing 'social repercussions' on people, that's all great until we're the ones on the other end of the spectrum. Imagine how much of a -disaster- the Gay Rights movement would be if, when it got started, any conservative with an internet connection and a decent sense of snark could get anyone speaking for LGBT Rights fired from their job simply for disagreeing with the prevailing mindset.

Sure, there were lot of individuals doing just that, but that is absolutely -nothing- compared to the weight of a vast portion of the nation. Mobs don't tend to think very carefully about what they're doing.

[Egnever]

54. Nope deosnt sound scary

If you are scared of the internet maybe you should stop using it?

[Ichingcarpenter]

55. Control

‘The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values.

Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen.

These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.’


Zbigniew Brzezinski

From his book


Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era

[MisterP]

76. for better and for worse the "unrestrained by traditional values" hasn't played out

all the way--the spies and neoliberal mandarins are not as a class dominated by anything in particular: not Bernal/CS Lewis villain/Huxley/LaRouche-style technology as a substitute for godhood, not Umberto Eco's magical fascism, not Marilyn Ferguson and Glenn Beck's ecotopian consciousness, not Orwell's power and sadism for its own sake; just greed and some hate and ideology--fear, uncertainty, doubt

of course knowing what DRIVES the conspiracies may or may not help us

[Ichingcarpenter]

89. This is a ploy to test the waters

to see if the frogs don't object to the water temperature. before they turn up the dial slowly on the stove.

They would then have all your Encryptions in one place, one id and of course internet sites would demand that you use it in a cascading effect over time.

A national ID for the internet is not necessary as any IT person knows.... You have to wonder where this comes from
it sure the hell didn't come from Obama.

that's why I quoted that psychopath

[BuelahWitch]

57. This should help the identity thieves on a grand scale

"Then there's the problem of putting all your security eggs in one vulnerable basket. If a hacker gets their hands on your cyber ID, they have the keys to everything."

[Vashta Nerada]

59. Yeah, I prefer to remain anonymous online.

Fuck this idea.

[woo me with science]

60. Another day, another ugly, predatory betrayal.

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I posted about this a long time ago. They have been working on this quietly for awhile.

It is a predatory move, a corporate power grab and an assault on liberty at the same time.

The goal is to make this system ubiquitous through multiple-layered government-private partnerships. Although they stressed in their initial proposals that participation at the outset would be voluntary, they were very clear that they planned to put financial structures into place so that private systems would choose to use it, with the goal of its growing to encompass virtually everybody. They are very clear and even emphatic in the paper that without its steady and massive growth as a universal system, it will not be useful. They even talk about international implementation.

It sounds like both a way for private corporations (those that will verify identities and be part of the layers of this system) to profit from our internet use and a way for the government to increase surveillance and control.

It has been described as a driver's license for the internet.

Federal Government moving ahead with Internet ID Plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=257531

Why Obama's National Internet ID Solution is a Really, REALLY Bad Idea
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257541

We are sold out, completely. We have owners, not representatives.

[n2doc]

61. And 5 minutes after issuance, it will be hacked.

no thanks.

[steve2470]

111. precisely

Then you will spend months trying to clear your good name with all the sites that have been defrauded.

[jtuck004]

62. We have one too, but it's got a govt ID...

Found here first.

[MineralMan]

63. OMG! This might even be used for online voting someday!

The howwow!

[AzDar]

67. Then, I suppose... they will declare it a "privilege", like driving.

Let the games begin...

[JDPriestly]

68. What a stupid, expensive idea.

The reason that we have drivers' licenses is to improve and insure safety on our streets. We don't have them in order to know what people are doing in their everyday lives. As long as there are no accidents and people obey the laws, no one cares who is driving where or in what car or whether they have a license. In fact, bicycle riders and skate boarders don't have to have licenses to ride on our streets in California.

The drivers' license makes it possible to identify the driver of a car if the police have to intervene for some reason. The test to get a license helps insure that people who drive cars know the rules.

The internet does not pose the dangers that a car on the highway does. There is no safety reason fro having internet licenses issued to individuals as a requirement for using the internet. Besides kids use the internet, often an internet service owned by their parents or someone else. How would you license that? Would parents be responsible for the internet use of their children? That does not seem practical or fair?

When Russia decides to regiment and police the internet in Russia, we are all horrified and point out that the regimentaion and policing of the internet is a sign of a totalitarian state, a dictatorship.

We pose no danger to anyone when we use the internet. If someone is breaking a law while using the internet, the police and FBI have simple means for determining who is breaking it.

We don't need this licensing system. It will cost a lot of money and make internet use more expensive and difficult.

There are cheaper, easier ways to insure the safety of the internet such as if the NSA would focus on finding out who spreads computer viruses instead of facilitating the spread of computer viruses and instead of just ignoring the problem of computer viruses.

Our government has more important things to do than registering our internet use.

They don't have enough money to maintain our highways without charging us tolls for using them, but they want to start a new department to register our internet use and license us for the internet. We've been doing just fine without this "service." No. No. No.

If the US governemtn has money to waste on this, I vote it fixes the highways instead.

[randome]

70. That is not what this is. Read beyond the attention-getting headline.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[JDPriestly]

78. Yes. That is what this is.

If you disagree with me, then please tell me what you think this is. One sentence answers are not a contribution to the discussion on the internet. Please explain your comment and elaborate on your thought.

When you use a password, you express an expectation of privacy. The government has no legal right to violate your expectation of privacy with regard to things that you make an effort to keep private -- such as accounts on the internet for which you use a password.

We do not need licensing to use the internet. If this program should be created, it would be because the government knows full well that its surveillance of our internet use on accounts for which we have passwords is most likely illegal.

This program would be a trick to try to eliminate our claim to privacy as we use the internet.

Also, I think that conservatives and liberals alike will agree that the money on such a program would be a total waste.

We need toll-free highways, not internet ID cards. This program would be a waste of money. It would not insure safety on the internet. To the contrary, it would ease theft on the internet. We would effectively each have some sort of numerical identification when we are using the internet. Why? Because the internet is based on numbers and numerical sorts of values. 1 and 0 for example. So an internet ID card would not solve the problem of internet theft and viruses.

Such a stupid, low idea. It really leaves me quite annoyed. And people are foolish enough to think that one ID would be better than their passwords. It would not be.

[randome]

79. This is primarily for online transactions. The posts are all over this thread pointing it out.

Verification of ID for transactions and professional responsibilities.

No one is issuing a "driver's license for the Internet". That was the New York Times' initial description of it, hyperbolic then and hyperbolic now.

No one is saying 'give up your passwords'. No one is saying you need to change anything you are doing.
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[randome]

80. Let me put it to you this way. You know what Amazon Prime is?

Are you required to use it? The answer is No.
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[woo me with science]

84. The (expected) propaganda is false. You are correct. The entire goal is to make it unavoidable.

See my posts above. I posted the actual proposal from the White House here some time ago. It is billed as voluntary at first for PR, but the entire thrust of the proposal is to implement strong financial carrots and sticks to ensure that websites cannot refuse to require it, so that it becomes ubiquitous and mandatory for internet use.

[MADem]

74. Well, there's a song for that...

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb, dumbee-dooby, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!!!

[Jerry442]

77. Yesterday's news, I'm afraid.

Back in the day when data processing was way less powerful than it is now, the "Universal Identifier" was a real controversy. Not any more. "They", whoever you imagine them to be, can easily assemble a massive amount of information on you quite easily. They don't need a national ID card.

The Beast doesn't need to mark you anymore. He knows you.

(It's just a metaphor, people.)

[Demo_Chris]

81. When someone shows you who they are, believe them...

Obama fooled me twice, but I know who and what he is now.

[randome]

82. Good God, an example of Infinite Hyperbole!

Do you know what Amazon Prime is?
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[Demo_Chris]

85. Somewhat. What does Amazon Prime have to do with O's latest scheme?

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[randome]

87. They are very similar in nature.

Online verification of identity takes place all the time. This is simply another method being proposed. It is not a 'driver's license for the Internet'.

And your insult to President Obama is obnoxious.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Recursion]

102. Facepalm

My God, it burns.

If you don't understand what Amazon Prime has to do with this, why are you even talking about it?

This is a way to take online identity out of the hands of companies like Amazon and Facebook and into a system that's somewhat more accountable.

[Demo_Chris]

106. So rather than Amazon monitoring what books and movies and porn I prefer...

I should instead embrace the NSA directly monitoring and recording and data basing every microsecond of my online existence? Seriously, this is what you support?

[Recursion]

107. You must be very glad we didn't get single payer

I mean, those government bastards, with access to all our health records?

You're so right to trust the corporations more!

[Demo_Chris]

109. Okay, you've tried equating this to Amazon and now single payer, it's neither...

And I am tired of popping these silly trial balloons. Obama has shown us who he is and it's pretty fucking scary. I don't want any part of this twisted Fascist bullshit and I will actively work to oppose any politician or party which embraces it.

[DJ13]

92. Not just NO

but FUCK NO!

[snooper2]

93. Now that the cat is out of the bag, here is the rest of the story

All of us in Telecom have been keeping a big secret, probably about 15 folks for each major carrier-

We have been developing swipe and finger print machines to go in conjunction with this-

These will be attached via the USB port on your computer (you have to purchase right now tentative pricing is $250-$350 dollars). Once connected to your machine, before any browser will launch you have to swipe your new Internet ID card and put your thumb on the scanner for Internet Access. Every 45 minutes you will be asked to re-validate your information to ensure it is still you who is online.

We are in alpha testing right now but don't worry, widespread deployment isn't scheduled until 3rd quarter 2016-

[Jesus Malverde]

99. I assume this was supposed to be humorous.

[agentS]

96. We have something similar in South Korea

It's really annoying to foreigners whose ID numbers are not accepted by Korean sites.
Also, it's a security risk so the government is scaling back its usage by websites.
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2986147

Measures aim to minimize leaks
Gov’t plan lessens the need for personal data, expands clients’ rights

The government unveiled detailed measures to improve information security policies at financial companies by imposing hefty fines on those found to have lax management in regard to customers’ personal information and limiting the collection of resident registration numbers.

Hyun Oh-seok, the nation’s deputy prime minister and finance minister; Shin Je-yoon, chairman of the Financial Services Commission; Choi Mun-kee, minister of science, ICT and future planning; and the heads of relevant ministry agencies announced the measures, which come nearly two months after Korea suffered its worst personal data leak earlier this year across three major credit card companies.

The need for such a plan was only underscored by last week’s data leak at KT, the nation’s second-largest mobile carrier.

“The latest data leak incident happened because the government and financial companies didn’t perform their basic duties,” Hyun said at a press conference yesterday in Gwanghwamun, central Seoul. “Now the government will make sure consumers can check how their information is being used at financial companies at any time and require the removal of that information, strengthening citizens’ rights to their own information.”

I'm not afraid of the big bad government wolf, so I might get one anyway to test out. But, I'll probably slave it to a gift card or something similar so if it does get hacked I don't get wrecked. Its not like Amazon, Target and BofA do all that remarkable a job protecting my financial information anyway.

One potential worst-case scenario I can see from this would occur if it were required to access all .com domain sites (like DU). Let's say somebody pulls a Snowden and leaks that stuff on the torrents. Some Teabagger groups get ahold of my posts at DU and doesn't like what I say about them. So, those wackos from Waco, show up at my door looking to lynch me. Alright mofos, game fuckin on!
This doesn't bother me that much because the odds are low, and I can fight. Whereas much of the rest of y'all are "loads" and "squishy wizards" and peaceniks. So, if the worst case scenario does come up and you got the Bundy Militia at your doorstop, just give me a call. I'll swing by with my crew and "Nate Dogg Regulate" for ya. I charge reasonable prices (5 dollars for "disposal&quot .

[davidpdx]

100. I'm in Korea as well

I was just about to chime in about it, but you provided quite a bit of info. That is true that the program limits us because of having a foreign ID number. I'm on an F visa and I heard if you get citizenship you are given a Korean ID number. That is still not enough of a reason to go through all that though. The biggest pain is uploading stuff to Youtube. The libel/slander laws here are incredibly tough from what I've heard. If you posted a video saying "such and such politician is an asshole", you would probably be in big trouble. I had a VPN for the short time I spend in China (I went there for 9 months in 2011-2012, but I have been in Korea since Jan 2004) as the "great wall" was really bad. I've found heard there are only two types of websites that are generally off limits here in Korea (one category has to do with North Korean and the other I'll let you guess).

There are a quiet a few of us on the board who are in either China, Korea, or Japan.

[Jesus Malverde]

101. "generally off limits"

What happens when you try to access forbidden content or north Korean sites.

Are you at some risk to losing your account or are they all blocked?

[davidpdx]

103. Blocked

A message will come up that says "warning" and it has the national police agency logo.

[Recursion]

98. OMG A PUBLIC/PRIVATE KEY PAIR!!!!!!!

Appalling!!!

[Pholus]

104. According to Mikulski, a centralized system is VERY important for LAW ENFORCEMENT

http://www.cnet.com/news/obama-moves-forward-with-internet-id-plan/?_escaped_fragment_=#!

Sen. Barbara Mikulski, a Maryland Democrat who also spoke today at the Chamber event, seemed to veer a bit off-message--and instead of touting anonymity, she stressed the importance of aiding law enforcement.

Protecting civil liberties is important, Mikulski said. "But the first civil liberty is to be able to have a job, lead a life, and be able to buy what you want in the way we now buy it, which is through credit cards."

"We're going to support the FBI," said Mikulski, who heads the Senate subcommittee that oversees the FBI's funding. "We're going to support the growth of the FBI."

[Jesus Malverde]

113. Stunning comments - as if they are lacking in size

She must have her reasons for supporting them against the American people.

[Pholus]

105. Sounds like another 1%er giveaway/taxpayer waste program like TSA's CLEAR program

And we all remember how THAT one worked out, right?

http://www.cnet.com/news/obama-moves-forward-with-internet-id-plan/?_escaped_fragment_=#!

Another cautionary note comes from a previous public-private partnership that also sought to improve identity-related authentication. The largest company participating in the TSA's registered traveler identification program, Verified Identity Pass' CLEAR , shut down in 2009. Its assets were sold to the highest bidder.

[Enthusiast]

108. I'm against it.

This is a terrible idea.

[steve2470]

110. so, once the hacker criminals inevitably hack this....

you're toast. Talk about identity theft on a grand scale.

[Fumesucker]

112. Remember back during the Dubya years when you could get arrested for wearing a Peace T shirt?

It's a damn good thing for old DUers the government didn't have this setup back then.

"Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do." -Ari Fleischer

[Jesus Malverde]

114. Strange some people seem to welcome the security blanket of authoritarianism...nt