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Deut. 15
. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.
Deut. 26:12. When you have finished paying the complete tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and the widow, that they may eat in your towns, and be satisfied.
Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.
Prov. 31:8: [Commandment to kings.] Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.
Is. 58:66: Is this not the fast which I choose, to loosen the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke? Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
Jer. 22:3. Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Luke 12:33. "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys."
Luke 3:11. And [John the Baptist] would answer and say to them, "Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise."
Mt. 5:42. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
There are over 300 commandments about helping the poor in the bible. too bad no one remembers those.
hand up is a HAND OUT!
He's a bootstraps kinda guy. 
He finds my gawdless heathen liberal views appalling. 
I love it!
That's a quote from the bible. 
You learn something new every day.
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
I want to see where this sub-thread goes.
Or you can rent this:
cuz Christians never ever ever ever ever ever ever quote from the Old Testament.
I mean never ever ever.
Or something.
again. That's twice in one thread. Going for a record here...
P.S. Sweet racism against Muslims and Jews you deployed there. Is there a handbook you consult for this shit?
Besides the Bible, I mean?
But you could have been more direct and called out this anti-Muslim BS for what it is. Islamophobia: It's what's for dinner!
You did come back more directly, and props to you for that. You're a good man, Gunga Din--even when the stupid makes us a little spacey.
Keep fighting the good fight. 
for the appropriate poke.
Slap an obnoxious, in-your-face believer around with a few scripture quotes and watch the swift retreat and/or fun ensue.
Julie
Cause that is how HE rolls!
BHN
You know we have a Religion Group where you can discuss the ins-and-outs of Abrahamic Law if you like...
you're trying to show how, via internal critique, the Bible commands other things which aren't followed, which therefore negates the things which are accepted? But, purely logically speaking, this proves only hypocrisy, not that gay marriage ought to be accepted. It simply proves by example that a wife not a virgin should be executed. I doubt you're arguing for that, so let's go to the next step.
You're most likely arguing that we ought to reject a literal reading of the Bible (anti-gay marriage) with a literal reading of the Bible (pro-stoning of non-virgin brides), except that (and here's the kicker) most people have always already rejected your literal reading of the Bible. You can see, I hope, how this is self-defeating. They hope to show that you're only being selective about your biblical passage, which is your very critique of their position. The ball really isn't moved forward here, except to point out hypocrisy. See point #1 above. There are 613 commandments in the Hebrew Bible. By your logic, one would only need to violate one to invalidate all of them. Seems odd. Perhaps we could apply the same standards to all politics. If that were the case, however, we'd all be voting Green or Libertarian.
Perhaps when you're arguing against the way in which the Bible is literally or selectively interpreted, if this is what you're doing, then you may want to to show which passages one ought to select in order to be true to the document. But if one does this, then one is also being selective. And so . . .
Other options? I'd really like to figure out how this approach is effective in demonstrating that anti-gay marriage opponents ought to either 1) stone non-virgin wives; 2) stop being hypocrites (but even this isn't an argument for gay marriage; it's an argument for stoning non-virgin wives, so stop being such a misogynist 
; 3) become Greens or Libertarians.
That is all.
