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951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:55 AM May 2014

Media and Las Vegas Sheriff Deputies Break Silence over Bundy Ranch and the Mooch Militia standoff

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LAS VEGAS -- Metro Police officers who were on the front lines of a recent showdown near the Bundy ranch in Bunkerville say they feared for their lives.

At least some of the militia members who pointed weapons at police officers during the confrontation may have wanted a violent outcome and tried to incite one.

In exclusive interviews with the 8 News NOW I-Team, officers who were on the scene shared their thoughts and fears, and they say it is not over.

"These guys with rifles, keep them calm," was Clark County Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo's request to one of Bundy's sons the day of the confrontation.

Lombardo's top priority was to prevent a spark that might set off a bloody firefight.

"There was a possibility of somebody just having an accidental discharge causing a blood bath, because the individuals that were showing up, the militia quote unquote, were armed to the teeth," Lombardo said.

On one side, armed federal rangers and agents, on the other, a huge crowd of angry militia members and in the middle, 30 Metro officers, exposed and vulnerable, aware that if the shooting began, some of them would die.

"You are standing there going, 'I just hope it doesn't hurt when it comes. That it's quick,' and it was real for us. It was real," Sgt. Tom Jenkins said.

&quot You thought you might die?) Yeah." Sgt. Jenkins said.


(snip)

Gillspie and Lombardo say they offered to provide Bundy with legal counsel---free. He turned it down and later urged the crowd to go after his cattle.

"Mr. Bundy, in my personal opinion, incited the crowd," Lombardo said.


(snip)

They were equally hostile to journalists covering the story. Pistol-packing militia men have blocked 8 News NOW's access to public roads. Some poured lighter fluid around our news vehicle while others got physical.


(snip)




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Media and Las Vegas Sheriff Deputies Break Silence over Bundy Ranch and the Mooch Militia standoff (Original Post) 951-Riverside May 2014 OP
I would love to see them frog march the gun nuts upaloopa May 2014 #1
My bet hollowdweller May 2014 #2
i'm certain that every one of these idiot assholes has been identified.. frylock May 2014 #6
just realized reading your post that I dreamed this morning about specially trained undercover guys Voice for Peace May 2014 #12
Wonder how many there are Blackwater-types. calimary May 2014 #17
They've since changed it from Xe also . . . brush May 2014 #37
Oh that's a cutie. Reminds me of Shelley Berman's Cleans & Dirties. calimary May 2014 #40
Infiltration is how the FBI Mr.Bill May 2014 #20
Not hard at all, just hate blacks, Obamacare, gubMent, teeth and scream Bhenghazi loudly every uponit7771 May 2014 #31
This is intolerable. warrior1 May 2014 #3
The Gov't May OWN the Bundy Ranch hollowdweller May 2014 #4
Thats possible. HooptieWagon May 2014 #8
Photo of the Armed Mooch Militia Member Blocking Media from Accessing a Public Road 951-Riverside May 2014 #5
Wonder How Tough These Folks Are Without The Guns ProfessorGAC May 2014 #7
Even with guns, they're cowards. HooptieWagon May 2014 #9
It boggles my mind dickthegrouch May 2014 #10
My idea about sending in a big tank sounds not so crazy now. They would have hid like squirrels. Maraya1969 May 2014 #11
Time and tide GusBob May 2014 #13
lol... the agents will have to scream benghazi in their sleep... uponit7771 May 2014 #33
How about an A-10 SCVDem May 2014 #14
Let it drag on.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #35
just imagine We scgov May 2014 #15
Welcome to DU! I was thinking that too. alp227 May 2014 #30
Yeap, you beat me to it... the "2nd Amendment" is only for white people in America uponit7771 May 2014 #32
"Mooch Militia" = EXCELLENT framing!!!!!!!! calimary May 2014 #16
Police officers talk about facing possible 'bloodbath' at Bundy ranch 951-Riverside May 2014 #18
Damn - I look at this officer and can't help but think - WHY should that poor man have to be put in calimary May 2014 #41
send in Hanity to calm them down weissmam May 2014 #19
Send in Hanity's head on a pike and tell them they're next. FiveGoodMen May 2014 #21
Bundy wants all Feds in parks unarmed? passiveporcupine May 2014 #22
+1 Aldo Leopold May 2014 #27
Yes he has demanded that several times underpants May 2014 #36
When can we expect arrests of those armed domestic terrorists onecaliberal May 2014 #23
On the plus side, Bundy Ranch & The Mooch Militia just got added to Bonarroo this year. Initech May 2014 #24
I dig taking it slow. But the news crew was at risk of a fiery death, and the mooch militia still riqster May 2014 #25
Full video is worth watching. Aldo Leopold May 2014 #26
K&R to the maximum Babel_17 May 2014 #28
More proof this 2nd amendment shit is for whites only uponit7771 May 2014 #29
The militia are ** untrained **, regardless that they think they are. Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #34
I'm not optimistic... StarryNite May 2014 #38
Why are there not arrest warrants out for these people? Crunchy Frog May 2014 #39
 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
2. My bet
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:06 PM
May 2014

Far as the Branch Davidians a lot of the argument was that Koresh was in town a lot why didn't they just apprehend him then rather than staging a raid and firefight.

I'm betting they have the goods both testimony and picture wise on who was drawing down on the officers. I heard a quote in an article recently where one person said "I have a clear shot at 4 of them" A lot of those guys were proud to actually have pictures of themselves taken aiming at federal, state, and county employees. That is not the same as walking down a street with an assault rifle.

Figuring as some of the militia guys get bored and leave they are going to be taken in by law enforcement on obstruction of justice and fireams charges. They may even wait till they are home and going about their business.

The moment that they can get Bundy without a serious fight, they will, and he's may be tried under some of terrorisim laws.

Probably they have one or more people on the inside right now.

However since so many Nevada wingnut politicians came out in support of the crazies the feds are going to leave them around, causing trouble so they voters will remember that come election time.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
6. i'm certain that every one of these idiot assholes has been identified..
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:22 PM
May 2014

and that your scenario will likely play out. it may be a couple of months, but once the temps start hitting close to 110, these morons will lose interest, head home, and will receive a home call from law enforcement.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
12. just realized reading your post that I dreamed this morning about specially trained undercover guys
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:39 PM
May 2014

dressing up as militia and joining the gang.

Probably wouldn't be very hard to infiltrate.

calimary

(81,558 posts)
17. Wonder how many there are Blackwater-types.
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:58 PM
May 2014

Or - excuse me - Xe-types. They changed their name so everybody will think those nasty Blackwater types aren't around anymore, OR up to something. And that would be WRONG-WRONG-WRONG.

Remember: A name change doesn't stop them. It only stops YOU. That's what it's designed to do.

brush

(53,960 posts)
37. They've since changed it from Xe also . . .
Thu May 1, 2014, 04:07 PM
May 2014

in an attempt to disassociate the company from it's notorious history. It's now Academi — with a new logo and all.

calimary

(81,558 posts)
40. Oh that's a cutie. Reminds me of Shelley Berman's Cleans & Dirties.
Thu May 1, 2014, 06:05 PM
May 2014

This would be, according to his definition, a "Clirty." Which is - a cleaned-up dirty.

Mr.Bill

(24,346 posts)
20. Infiltration is how the FBI
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:21 PM
May 2014

took down the KKK after the civil rights workers were murdered in the 60s. And back then the KKK in southern towns was likely to count law enforcement and elected officials, even judges among their membership. These militia clowns should be easy to nail compared to them

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
31. Not hard at all, just hate blacks, Obamacare, gubMent, teeth and scream Bhenghazi loudly every
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:55 PM
May 2014

...time they see a rock

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
3. This is intolerable.
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:08 PM
May 2014

I would say cut the power and water to this place as well as all road that lead to bundy ranch

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
4. The Gov't May OWN the Bundy Ranch
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:12 PM
May 2014

Not the grazing land which they already own, but the actual property that the family owns before it all winds down.

The forfeiture procedure often used on drug cases means the gov't can confiscate property that was material to commission of a crime. Not sure but I think that housing a militia that was used to threaten law enforcment officers probably qualfies.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
8. Thats possible.
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:49 PM
May 2014

I dont know details of forfeiture law, but it seems to have a pretty broad interpretation by the courts. If nothing else, the BLM may place a lien on the property to settle the court judgement against Bundy.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
5. Photo of the Armed Mooch Militia Member Blocking Media from Accessing a Public Road
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:13 PM
May 2014

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Other photo of checkpoint for locals

ProfessorGAC

(65,325 posts)
7. Wonder How Tough These Folks Are Without The Guns
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:22 PM
May 2014

Not too, i think. Would take about 6 seconds to have them on the ground crying for mommy.

dickthegrouch

(3,185 posts)
10. It boggles my mind
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:59 PM
May 2014

That these yahoos are so keen to burn someone to death, incite riots, murder law enforcement officers in the commission of the duties, but want humane executions for themselves (if they ever get the death penalty conferred).

After they tone it down, we can tone it down. GIVE UP THE F'ING GUNS.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. Time and tide
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:41 PM
May 2014

Time, patience and intelligence are on the Feds side. These numb nuts ain't the sharpest tacks in the box and will certainly build their own gallows. Driving your own vehicle to the rodeo would be your first mistake. The hardest part for the agents who have infiltrated these traitors is to act stupider then them

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
14. How about an A-10
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:45 PM
May 2014

One low pass strafing run and these Assholes would shit themselves.

WHO says the government can't use overwhelming force?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
35. Let it drag on....
Thu May 1, 2014, 03:11 PM
May 2014

It'll get these morans to expose themselves.

My hope is for them to wave in the FOX "News" van.

We scgov

(3 posts)
15. just imagine
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:50 PM
May 2014

imagine the outrage if a group of heavily armed men of color confronted a sheriff anywhere in the US

alp227

(32,070 posts)
30. Welcome to DU! I was thinking that too.
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:55 PM
May 2014

These fuckwits just get OFF on the deaths or suffering of people of color under the color of law, y'know because they're worthless inner city THUGS using "police brutality" and "race card" as an excuse. But apparently if you're white and standing up for American Values(TM) it's OK to threaten cops with weapons.

calimary

(81,558 posts)
16. "Mooch Militia" = EXCELLENT framing!!!!!!!!
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:56 PM
May 2014

EXCELLENT!!! Just Absolute Torch N Twang EXCELLENT!!!

Let's let them wear THAT around for awhile! Sounds like they're more than living up to the other label that they've earned: DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. And that one, too, should be hung around their necks as the millstone it is and should be.

Needs repeating - a LOT! More like RELENTLESSLY!!! Til it sticks.

And this is a wealthy moocher-rancher. Why is anyone offering him more free stuff? Free stuff. I thought his type didn't like or approve of such things.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
18. Police officers talk about facing possible 'bloodbath' at Bundy ranch
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:06 PM
May 2014

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LAS VEGAS -- Tensions have subsided and the crowds of armed militia around rancher Cliven Bundy have largely dispersed, but the situation is far from resolved.

Federal officials are exploring their legal options, and Metro Police confirm that an investigation is ongoing. What has not been made public is just how close things came to an all-out gun battle. Some of those who were on the front lines spoke exclusively to the I-Team's George Knapp.

When the Bureau of Land Management mobilized to go after Bundy's cattle two years ago, they did so under an administrative order. This time, it was considered a criminal matter, and the I-Team has learned that order went all the way to the White House for approval.

When it became apparent that things were not going well in Bunkerville and hundreds of armed Bundy supporters were on the scene, Metro found itself right in the middle, a very dangerous place to be.

"We didn't show any fear that day, but I can tell you, we all thought in the back of our minds, we all thought it was going to be our last day on earth, if it went bad," said Sgt. Tom Jenkins of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

He is more familiar with the craziness of the Las Vegas Strip, which is where he and his squad usually work to keep the peace. But when things began to turn ugly in Bunkerville earlier this month, two squads of patrol officers, along with a SWAT unit, were dispatched to the scene.

"We were told, we're going to go down there and we're going to get between the BLM and the protesters. We were going, okay, we've been there before, but as we were driving up, it was like a movie set. It didn't look real; people in the back of pickup trucks with rifles and shotguns," Jenkins said. "It was hard to grasp that at the beginning."


(snip)

One person in the crowd even asked Jenkins if he was ready to die.

"I don't know his name. He was wearing a Pittsburgh Steelers jersey. I'll never forget that," he said.


(snip)

"The bottom line is, bloodshed over cattle, unacceptable. Nobody wanted to go in that direction," Lombardo said.

But the police were to learn, some in the crowd did want to go in that direction. Even Lombardo was on the receiving end.


(snip)

One Bundy supporter summed it up, "Had to happen sometime, might as well happen now, right?"




I highly recommend going to that article and watching the news story. News 8 did an incredible job covering this.

Edit: If you're a fan of the TV show COPS you'll remember Officer Jenkins taking down a drunk racist many years ago on the show.

calimary

(81,558 posts)
41. Damn - I look at this officer and can't help but think - WHY should that poor man have to be put in
Thu May 1, 2014, 06:16 PM
May 2014

such a horrible position? He's a peace officer! He's the guy who probably would be pulling somebody over on the Las Vegas Strip for driving drunk. He and his fellows shouldn't have to face shit (and shitters) like this! SHEESH! They don't pay guys like him enough!!!!

underpants

(182,978 posts)
36. Yes he has demanded that several times
Thu May 1, 2014, 03:14 PM
May 2014

Including during his (disastrous) "press conference" after the audio was made public.

onecaliberal

(32,953 posts)
23. When can we expect arrests of those armed domestic terrorists
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:33 PM
May 2014

Who were pointing weapons at police? Can you imagine if those armed terrorists were not white?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
25. I dig taking it slow. But the news crew was at risk of a fiery death, and the mooch militia still
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:35 PM
May 2014

Operates with impunity, terrorizing the locals.

Some visible gesture of control is needed. Not necessarily violent, but some inkling of consequences.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
26. Full video is worth watching.
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:37 PM
May 2014

This Bundy jackass has quite the ego, demanding the sheriff tell his men to deliver their guns to him.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
28. K&R to the maximum
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:48 PM
May 2014

This situation is symptomatic of the lives led by those who, by custom, are empowered to live outside of the normal rules of accountability.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
34. The militia are ** untrained **, regardless that they think they are.
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:58 PM
May 2014

Just because some are veterans of Army or Marines does not mean they are trained for crowd scenes or complex evolving situations where laws and US rights apply. It also does not mean that their old training is up to date or fresh enough to be effective.

The Mooch militia "units" are not trained together as a cohesive force and may kill as many of their own as any others. Of course then the Right Wing media would spin those deaths as government heavy-handedness and not as the militia incompetence that it would be.

The militia are not trained just because most of them are good at shooting at targets on ranges.

The militia are not trained. Period. They are a force to be reckoned with but that makes them even more dangerous since they could go off half-cocked (yes, that is the technical phrase) with disastrous results.

StarryNite

(9,464 posts)
38. I'm not optimistic...
Thu May 1, 2014, 04:35 PM
May 2014

I hope I'm wrong, I hope arrests are made and those proven guilty will be punished. But wackos seem to get away with things. Colorado Ctiy, AZ comes to mind. Even though Warren Jeffs was arrested, they still haven't gotten a handle on that polygamist community after how many years?

Crunchy Frog

(26,698 posts)
39. Why are there not arrest warrants out for these people?
Thu May 1, 2014, 05:05 PM
May 2014

Things will get vastly worse if this isn't taken care of in a timely fashion.

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