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are not just an American phenomenon.
Notice how the one thing missing from all the news reports and pictures are actual official military or police siding with the Kiev regime.....they all refuse to kill their own citizens as much as the frustrated Kiev regime demands it. The very same building that now burns with the memory of dozens of charred corpses was taken over without violence April 2, and there is video of the uniformed police marching OUT of the building to permit the occupation...anyone remember or know that?
Kiev is not in control of the inherited military or police forces at all, Russia could enter any part off the country unopposed, war is a pipe dream of the usual suspects.
Now Imagine if the American democratically elected government was overthrown; a State like say Wisconsin, voted to secede, and the new American "government" sent in, not any police or military, because they would refuse to obey, but rather the Ukrainian equivalent of the Oathkeepers and other sundry domestic terrorists, to quash the secession by force?
As many have argued should have been done to Sir Bundy, if the American soldiers would have obeyed an order to kill American citizens willfully.
Ding, ding, anyone?
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According to Ukrainian news reports, the pro-Kiev demonstrators broke up an encampment of Moscow supporters outside the trade union building. The latter took refuge in the building, which then caught fire.
Odessa police spokesman Volodymyr Shasbliyenko told AP the fire apparently was caused by Molotov cocktails. He had no further details or identities of the victims.
The local office of the emergencies ministry said Saturday that 36 bodies were discovered inside the building. Before the fire, police said at least three people were killed by gunfire. The Interior Ministry on Saturday said the total casualty toll was 42, but did not give a breakdown.
Russia's Foreign Ministry said the fatal fire was "yet another manifestation of the criminal irresponsibility of the Kiev authorities who indulge insolent radical nationalists ... which are engaging in a campaign of physical terror" against those in Ukraine who want more autonomy for the pro-Moscow regions.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/03/ukraine-unrest-spreads/
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The western media are purposely conflating the Ukrainian army, which will never obey the illegitimate regime in Kiev to kill its own citizens, and the RW Ukrainian Bundy militia that does the killing for the regime now.
People falling to their deaths from the burning building set off fire by a fire bomb thrown inside by a protestor outside:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ukrainian-helicopters-shot-battle-slovyansk-article-1.1776887
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On May 2, under the pretext of the so-called march For unity of Ukraine (that was dated to football match Chernomorets Metallist) the paramilitary squads of Ukrainian nationalist were brought together to Odessa from all over the country. They arrived by buses and by trains. From the very beginning when they just started to gather on Sobornaya square among ordinary ultra-right fans too many well-equipped paramilitaries could be seen. They had shields, helmets, bats, traumatic and service weapons. Mostly - men about 30-40 years old who were evidently not football fans. Some of them had shields where it was written: 14-th hundred of Maidan self-guard. And these nationalist paramilitaries became the main striking force of bloody massacre of Odessa residents on Kulikovo pole square.
In total there were more than thousand of nationalists that participated in the march and the slaughter that followed it. Local residents of Odessa were the minority among them, while the majority far-right paramilitaries that were brought together there. They could be identified in particular by dialect (not typical for Odessa region), however many of them openly acknowledged and told where they came from. Local Odessa fans of Chernomorets team have left the march at the moment when clashes started they came just for traditional march to the stadium and when they realized that visitors and provocateurs led them to beat local people the majority of Chernomorets fans (identified by black-blue scarves of Odessa club) immediately left the so-called peaceful march.
At the same time guest-militants were not going to the stadium. Their aim was to terrorize the city-residents and to unleash violence against the activists of the movements opposed to Kiev junta. The action of nationalists from the very beginning had not a peaceful nature, since they were preparing to start a massacre.
http://borotba.org/neo-nazi_terror_in_odessa-_more_than_40_killed-_hundreds_injured.html?fb_action_ids=632998243434862&fb_action_types=og.likes
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."
That's a crappily written blurb. Fox News is often borderline incoherent. On rare occasion it's adequately coherent.
This, however, falls into the same category as the majority of its blurbs. Simply incoherent. More on separate post.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)EX500rider
(10,835 posts).....as both sides were using them.
FSogol
(45,470 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)WTF?
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)Please tell me the connection between Bundy and the Ukrainian situation. I'm especially interested in the part about Molotov cocktails, and Bundy.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That shot down those two military choppers?
You are trying hard to create and conflate actually.
Oh and goes without saying, crack a few books, history would work, and trash thread
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)These guys were on the scene and are NOT Russian sympathizers. Neither are the supporters of the Ukraine coup. And lastly one of their members lost his life during this.
Edited to add: As to the headline of this OP, I understood what he/she was trying to say because I've thought of it myself. These militia thugs at the Bundy standoff would play the same role in the USA that the Right Sector is playing in Ukraine right now.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Almost everybody is playing this as "Cold War- The Sequel". Russian media, Western media and a lot of folks on this board. There ARE other forces in Ukraine trying to get a hearing that are NOT supporters of either Russian or Western imperialism. Barotba is one such group.
malaise
(268,885 posts)My thread on this topic was virtually ignored yesterday.
Bottom line - even the Guardian observed that the Right Sector folks burned down the Union building in Odessa and killed over 30 people.
The silence from the West is deafening.
Not all of us are fooled.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)And they did it with either the active cooperation of the coup leaders OR their benign neglect. Either way, those deaths can be laid at the feet of the coup in Kiev.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)on your third link.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Not from my browser, but from my sense of decency.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)This is like reading the chronicle of a day of explosive diarrhea.
For anyone just stumbling onto this crapfest, here's the original post:
According to Ukrainian news reports, the pro-Kiev demonstrators broke up an encampment of Moscow supporters outside the trade union building. The latter took refuge in the building, which then caught fire.
Odessa police spokesman Volodymyr Shasbliyenko told AP the fire apparently was caused by Molotov cocktails. He had no further details or identities of the victims.
The local office of the emergencies ministry said Saturday that 36 bodies were discovered inside the building. Before the fire, police said at least three people were killed by gunfire. The Interior Ministry on Saturday said the total casualty toll was 42, but did not give a breakdown.
Russia's Foreign Ministry said the fatal fire was "yet another manifestation of the criminal irresponsibility of the Kiev authorities who indulge insolent radical nationalists ... which are engaging in a campaign of physical terror" against those in Ukraine who want more autonomy for the pro-Moscow regions.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/03/ukraine-unrest-spreads/