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[bemildred]

1. Oh good.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. ...grief.

nt

[TeeYiYi]

90. lolz. ..nt

TYY

[morningfog]

2. I know it's early, but you get the dumbest post of the day.

[fried eggs]

3. What part do you disagree with?

That people shouldn't leave loaded guns lying around or that 20 year old men shouldn't be around 13 year old girls?

[upaloopa]

5. You see evil in everything don't you!

That's not a good way to go through life.
My wife was 21 when we met I was 38 was that bad too?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. The first few women I dated were about a decade or so older than me.

I think there are real reasons as to why it's tougher to make age-differential relationships last, but if you can do it, age is just a number. (With the caveat, of course, that you're both actually adults. Gotta wait until both people's brains have fully developed. Which is also why I'd raise the minimum age limit for military service to 21.)

[avebury]

14. Your now wife was of legal age, a 13 year

old girl is not. It is an issue of allowing a minor child to make poor decisions that can escalate to even worse decisions. Parents responsibility to their children is to parent them and guide them to adulthood with the ability to make responsible, positive decisions.

[upaloopa]

20. Not everything is sexual

[larkrake]

70. they were not alone. Someone took the photo

As if kids arent having sex at 13, watching porno, ect. Kids do not want to have sex with 20 yr olds. 13 yr olds think adults are "old, not cool"

I preferred adults to hang with, they drove and they were full of stories about WW2, travel, my folks trusted me to go on camping trips and adventures. I and my older friends(not female) watched TV from my bed, and College males took me to Australia on an Opal Mine tour when I was 14.On that trip I was everyones little sister and God help any male who approached. I didnt want sex until age 29.
Why do you think little girls are stupid? Only uninformed girls are subjective to sleezy men. Subjective girls and women usually come from religious pious and abusive homes that teach their wimmenfolk that they are worthless and ugly and sinners. Family is proud when their 13-16 yr BOYs pop their cherries, but daughters are not allowed to experiment as nature intended. Birth control and self value is all girls need to prevent pregnancy unless Republicans remove all safety tools.

[fried eggs]

27. You missed the point

We're talking about a 13 year old child who should not be in a situation where she could end up getting raped. That would change her life forever. I guess the threads about our rape culture were right, after all.

[blueamy66]

28. Because most 20 year old men are rapists?

wtf?

[fried eggs]

35. No. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. For both of their sakes,

they shouldn't be alone or in a position to find out what either one is capable of.

[blueamy66]

43. They weren't alone and I have no response to the second part of your post.

It doesn't even deserve a response.

[Jackpine Radical]

36. No, because you have to assume all 20-year old males are loaded.

[blueamy66]

42. And then let's jump to the assumption that all 20 year old males will act upon it...

whether the female is a willing partner or not....

really???

[Jackpine Radical]

92. Actually, I was just playing with the gun metaphor,

which I thought was sorta dumb.

Anyway, a 13 year-old can't be a "willing partner" because (s)he can't legally give consent at that age.

[blueamy66]

100. Gotcha.

nt

[arcane1]

33. Who is the rapist? The man or the photographer?

[LadyHawkAZ]

41. Perhaps a nice burqa and a separate room for the womenfolk

while the men's friends visit, would make you feel better?

The guy is her BROTHER'S FRIEND, and the brother appears to have been PRESENT. FFS.

[chrisa]

45. Nice post, SATAN!

[fried eggs]

47. I think it's better to err on the side of caution.

That's all.

[LadyHawkAZ]

50. Like having an older brother present, maybe? n/t

[lunasun]

66. so U approve of a nice burqa and a separate room for the womenfolk then??

[Feral Child]

89. Nonsense.

You're just looking to pick a fight.

The girl was not alone with anyone.

[jberryhill]

53. Precisely

That "men can't control themselves" thing is precisely the road to subjugating women.

[upaloopa]

60. You miss the point

Like I said you see evil everywhere
You think she is going to be raped by the 20 year old as if that is just what always happens. That is a sick attitude imho.
Every guy is not a potential rapist! I know some people on this board live in that illusion but it is just a warped reading of human nature.

[uppityperson]

67. You do know women and girls get raped in all sort of situations, don't you? Sleeping in bed at night

Walking home from school. By their minister while volunteering at church. Etc etc etc.

I do not think sitting near a 20 yr old while getting photographed has a very high risk.

[polly7]

86. I don't understand your point, how does this have anything to do with rape culture? nt.

[StarryNite]

93. Uhhhh let me think....

21 and 38, I believe that means you were both adults.

[morningfog]

24. You went off the rails when you wrote "likewise."

Trying to analogize the two is sub-par flame baiting.

[fried eggs]

29. Statuatory rape can be emotionally devastating and

can lead to an unwanted pregnancy or suicide. I think the consequences are just as serious, maybe not physically, but emotionally.

[morningfog]

48. Now I know you are just looking for flames. I wish you luck.

[fried eggs]

52. You don't think statuatory rape is devastating?

I must admit, I'm stunned by the responses here.

[morningfog]

54. No you aren't. Reap what you sow.

[el_bryanto]

6. Is this in reference to something?

I may have missed a story.

Bryant

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

10. Yes. The post on Will Smith's daughter

showing up in pics on twitter with her lying on a bed with her head on the knees of a male friend of the family who was propped up against the wall and happened to be shirtless. Nothing sexual about the pics, but it set off a massive wave of prudery.

[el_bryanto]

13. Nothing wrong with a little prudery

But yeah that doesn't seem like a story worth following.

Bryant

[Whisp]

7. eeeeeesh

kadeeeeeshka....

[Brigid]

8. Let me put it this way:

I think I have a pretty good idea what would happen if my brother caught some 20-year-old man in bed with his teenage daughter.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. He'd take a pic and post it on twitter? nt

[Brigid]

16. Maybe my brother would post a pic the 20-year-old's face . . .

*after* he had rearranged it for him. And my brother would probably have some help from his 20-year-old son too.

Full disclosure: My teenage niece does have a sort-of boyfriend -- her own age.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

17. Out of curiosity, have you seen the pics in question?

'in bed' has very loaded connotations. But your brother could then have his mugshot posted from when he gets arrested for assault and battery.

[Brigid]

19. Yes, I've seen the pics.

All I can say is . . . Um, no. And if you think my brother would go to jail over this, you don't know that part of the country very well. He might get arrested, but not convicted -- not once a jury heard why he did it. I doubt it would even get that far.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

22. Glad I don't live in that 'part of the country'

where somebody can get beaten up simply because somebody's teenage daughter comes in and lies down with her head on his knees. Sounds like a really bad place to live.

[blueamy66]

32. And the one who assaulted the kid would get away with it.

nt

[lunasun]

72. sad areas of hopped up violence and misplaced anger

all over the map these days . There are a lot of areas I can imagine someone would get away with assault over non action / thought police delusions

Beat him up for being in the same room and ask questions later I guess

Look at all the "I was afeared shootings'
and those areas of the country seem quite proud of their stance as did poster

His name is Moisés Arias and she is Willow Smith and both should be demonized because just look at them!!

Jada Smith reacts (mother)
"Here's the deal: There was nothing sexual about that picture or that situation," Smith told TMZ after getting off a flight in Los Angeles. "You guys are projecting your trash onto it, and you're acting like covert pedophiles, and that's not cool."

That is what I think of OP = acting like covert pedophile ( or enabler )

[blueamy66]

30. Why would he "do" it?

Because his daughter was fully clothed? Because the boy was smiling and she looked content?

Maybe your brother has anger issues.

[arcane1]

79. Sounds like a shitty place to live.

I'll be sure to avoid it.

[frylock]

84. remind me to stay the fuck away from your shithole state/county/city/outhouse

[NCTraveler]

96. Sounds like a very violent part of the country.

Sorry your brothers were raised around such violence. I hope they at some point they are able to understand how many options other than violence there are. Maybe they should move to a different part of the country.

[VanillaRhapsody]

15. there wasn't anything in that picture that suggested they were "in bed" together....

sitting and lying on a bed doesn't mean that "uglies were bumping" necessarily. Your mind is in the gutter....

[frylock]

83. your brother would be rightfully be spending time in prison

[hack89]

12. Remember there is no such thing as an "accidental" discharge

that applies equally to guns and 20 year old men.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

23. I don't think the part people think is sick is the picture taking

even if some of the pics you're referencing were far more sexually suggestive. I think it was the part about young girls' virginity being 'promised' to 'daddy boyfriend' until they got married to some other guy. I mean seriously, if you want to get all religious, couldn't you have your daughter promise her 'purity' to the church, rather than to daddy? Have her be like a nun in training or something until she decides to wed, or chooses to abandon that particular 'vow'.

[Agschmid]

25. Now what the hell is this about...

Cause it's not about the willow smith thing.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. He was referring to the 'purity balls' post.

And comparing that to the willow smith pics sarcastically.

There was a recent posting with pics taken at 'dad and daughter purity balls' with the daughters dressed up in bridal gowns and dads in suits or military uniforms, with the dads hugging or kissing the girls (one even directly on the lips) after the girls took part in ceremonies where they 'pledged their virginity' to their fathers to guard until they got married. More 'women as chattel goods' patriarchy, with creepy incestual overtones.

[Agschmid]

31. God lord, I'm glad I'm out of the loop on all this.

[arcane1]

44. Publicly claiming ownership of a young girl's hymen until it is formally transfered to the new owner

Yep, nothing sick about that

Funny how we never hear about purity balls for young boys, with mom as the "girlfriend" and penis-owner

[gollygee]

34. A 20-year-old young man is similar to a loaded gun?

Huh?

[fried eggs]

38. Why roll the dice?

Statutory rape can be emotionally devastating. Better safe than sorry.

[JVS]

37. Did the whole purity ball paranoia thing jump across the aisle to democrats while I was napping?

[dilby]

39. I think we already have a couple all men are rapist threads going, maybe you should have posted that

in one of them.

[NCTraveler]

97. I think this is the first one I have ever seen here.

Could be wrong.

[chrisa]

40. Never pet a burning dog, and don't spit into the wind.

Also, don't wake a sleeping coyote. Very bad.

[Iggo]

46. Dumbest thing I've read all day.

The day is still young, however.

[Agschmid]

58. This will likely be your daily dumbest read.

[frylock]

88. the bar has been set pretty high with this post..

this one, however, is for the win:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4924464

[Iggo]

99. That one has much subthread win.

[morningfog]

49. NOw you add the pitbull! TROLLOL!

[jberryhill]

51. Females need to be controlled because men can't control their animalistic impulses

I get the impression that the divide on DU over this non-story arises from different sorts of family experiences. For example, I grew up in a household where there was a wide age range of siblings and, sure, when various brothers and sisters have their friends over, anyone may be "hanging out with" anyone else at any given time in that circle of friends.

[fried eggs]

59. Hyperbole. "Hi Mois, I love you but I don't want you lying down next to my daughter.

Especially topless. Especially with a camera. I know you would never harm her but it would make me more comfortable. Thanks!" End of discussion.

[jberryhill]

63. "Especially with a camera"

Seems to me that having a camera around is a pretty good indication that nothing untoward was going on.

[uppityperson]

68. shirtless=rapist? and having a chaperone means more likely to rape? Oh.

[NCTraveler]

98. Did you just use the word "Hyperbole"? lol nt.

[HooptieWagon]

55. I'm confused...

Is this an "all men are rapists" thread, or an "all women are sluts" thread?

[Agschmid]

57. Don't forget the pitbull!

[In_The_Wind]

81. It's hard to tell.

[Agschmid]

56. Flamebait crap OP. Just FYI... And of course only IMHO.

[LittleBlue]

61. I agree that letting a 13-year-old girl hang around

a 20-year-old boy is destined for trouble.

But having one model with the other is really not a huge deal.

[PeaceNikki]

62. Excellent satire!

[Comrade Grumpy]

78. Gawd, I hope that's what this is.

[troublesome_mind]

64. I have to agree...

By far THE dumbest post of the day.

[Codeine]

65. You shouldn't post stupid things on message boards, likewise

you shouldn't try to defend stupid posts with even stupider posts.

[uppityperson]

69. You have outdone yourself this time. That was difficult. Congratulations. eom

[hughee99]

71. Maybe you shouldn't allow a 20 year old man to "hang around" with a 20 year old girl, either.

Why take the chance?

[polly7]

73. I'm finding the level of distaste for these photos very curious.

Wasn't this young man good friends with her brother? They'd probably all hung around like this for years. Obviously, they weren't alone, someone had to have taken the pictures. Do you think if whoever was taking them thought she was in danger in any way they'd have allowed the situation in the first place? Sometimes a family friend is just that. I used to lounge around on the floor with my brother and his friends all the time watching movies or playing games .... sometimes even in shorts and a tank top while they were occasionally shirtless ... I'm sure glad no-one had a camera.

[lunasun]

74. Jada Smith her mother

But she's not mad at Willow -- she's mad at the press.

"Here's the deal: There was nothing sexual about that picture or that situation," Smith told TMZ after getting off a flight in Los Angeles. "You guys are projecting your trash onto it, and you're acting like covert pedophiles, and that's not cool."

..............................................
His name is Moises Arais and she is Willow Smith

Here she is barefoot!!! horrors !!! Luring foot fetishers no doubt and he is probably one of them
Barefoot Willow Smith Lunches
http://www.justjared.com/2014/05/02/willow-smith-telana-nicole-moises-arias/

I agree with the mom covert pedophiles (and their enablers ) are the ones concerned , also the two being trashed are people of color so that helps their high horse attitude imo

[Orrex]

75. Oh, come on.

Who among us hasn't feigned surprised indignation at the media storm following the release of photos of their young children with shirtless men?

I'm glad that I have a team of PR handlers to advise of the likely repercussions, so that I can brace for the inevitable backlash without making it look like a deliberate attempt for media attention.


Whew!

[randome]

77. I'm sure many of you remember this subthread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022583041#post69

It's the one where I told my daughters that they were free to be topless in our house if they wanted.

But you wouldn't know what came after. My daughters don't hold anything back. They mentioned our discussion to their mother, who had a fit. She 'complained' to a therapist my daughters were seeing. (Post-divorce issues, some anxiety and teenage angst).

I hadn't known this therapist (let's call her M) bragged about her Christian approach to matters. If I had, I would never have given my permission for my daughters to see her. My attorney, btw, once ran into her in the courtroom and calls her a 'moron'. And another word I won't mention since it was said in the heat of the moment.

Anyways, I dutifully went in to see M and my ex when called to do so regarding 'matters to discuss'.

M went on about how my behavior was a risk and that sex should only be between two committed, loving individuals. She also said that a daughter parading in front of her father was the definition of incest.

Well, never mind that my daughters have never 'paraded' in front of me and will never do so, I later looked up the definition of incest for our state and she simply lied.

Throughout this bizarre 'ambush conversation', I kept my cool and M began to raise her voice, at times being unable to even meet my eyes. It was the most glorious 'battle' with a fundamentalist I have ever engaged in. And why I will always maintain that the best way to deal with these people is to stay cool and state the facts rather than lash out.

It ended with M saying she might have no choice but to report me to CPS. My response: "You do what you think is right. I have nothing to hide and nothing to be embarrassed about." Oh, she was livid and it was beautiful!

She did report me to CPS, who interviewed my daughters then me. We had a good chuckle over the phone about my ex's antics and that was the end of it.

My point in relating this is that some seem to automatically assume the worst regarding these pictures. All too often that's the result of seeing things through the filter of a manual instead of looking at things realistically. The real world usually doesn't relate well to a book of procedures.

And I think this entire broohaha is nonsense. Always, of course, absent evidence of abuse or neglect. But since there is none, it is what it is -some pictures. Nothing else.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[DEMTough]

80. Hi! 20 year old male here.

Willow Smith did no wrong, her parents did no wrong, and the guy did no wrong. From what I understand, he is a family friend.

Good to know that I shouldn't be trusted with my friend's kids. Seriously, thanks. If ONLY there was this place where people my age would go for a few years where relationships can be formed... Oh, wait.

Saw the photos. I don't see the big deal. Nothing's going on in them.

I can assure you, from experience, that nothing sexual was going to run through his head.

You see, he is probably in college. He most likely has a smarter, more mature, and of legal age girlfriend. If not, he can get one easily, I'm sure. (He can take his shirt off and be photographed, for instance.)

I'm sure that even without the camera crew/photographers/makeup people/caterers/etc., nothing would happen.

The jist: 20 year olds have self control. You're all overreacting.

[frylock]

82. are you compelled to have sex with 13 year-olds by merely being in their presence?

[1000words]

85. Probably shouldn't leave a computer around a shit-stirrer, either.

Why take the chance?

[Marr]

87. It must be horrible going through life with such a sick view of humanity. /nt

[moriah]

91. IF something like that happened, it wouldn't be the family's fault or the 13-year-old girl's fault.

It'd be the raping asshole's fault.

[NCTraveler]

94. Scrambled Eggs. nt.

[StarryNite]

95. Purity Balls are creepy....

Men laying in bed with 13 year old girls...well that's okay?

Where is the logic?

[Caxton]

101. Why is that exactly?

.. And what the hell is wrong with you?