Forbidden fruit that Adam and Eve ate possibly identified? Was it marijuana?

[ck4829]

On yesterday's "Pray In Jesus Name" program, "Dr. Chaps" Gordon Klingenschmitt responded to those "pot hippies" who cite Genesis 1:29 to argue that marijuana should be legal because God has "given you every herb bearing seed" for human use and consumption by floating his theory that the "forbidden fruit" eaten by Adam and Even in the garden was not an apple, but actually pot!

"There are certain weeds in the garden, even in the Garden of Eden, that were forbidden by God," Klingenschmitt said, saying that the Bible never uses the word "apple" to describe just what it was that Adam and Eve ate but "the Bible does use the word 'forbidden weed.'"

"So here's my hypothesis," Klingenschmitt said, beginning to laugh as apparently even he realized the ridiculousness of what he was saying, "maybe it was marijuana! ... How do you know that the serpent didn't give pot to Eve and say 'go ahead, and the day that you eat this, you're not going to die.' The fact is, you are going to die"

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/klingenschmitt-speculates-forbidden-fruit-eaten-adam-and-eve-may-have-been-marijuana

I tried pot once.
Now I am the source of original sin.

[Egnever]

1. I personally think it was brussel sprouts...

[Brother Buzz]

9. Some entertain the idea it may have been Lima beans....

but the fucking egghead scientists tell us neither are fruits.

[Egnever]

19. I bow to your wisdom Brother Buzz

[unblock]

10. technically, it's "brussels sprouts". but perhaps in biblical times there was only one brussel.

[geomon666]

2. Maybe it was a road apple.

Because everything coming out of this guy's mouth is horse shit.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Poppies.

[dionysus]

4. they would have had to known how make a butter reduction to render the THC from the buds,

otherwise they would have had to smoke it.

[MohRokTah]

5. You can eat the buds.

Pot salad isn't bad at all.

[dionysus]

8. really? i munched a few buds once and didnt notice anything. i thought you needed heat to render the

THC effective... do tell?

[MohRokTah]

11. Nope. THC does not require the heat.

All the heat does is vaporize the chemical, it does not alter it. You can directly ingest pot. Lower potency (aka "ditch weed&quot that is most commonly available through illicit markets takes a larger quantity of ingestion, but if you have something from better genetics available these days you can use dried bud as a salad herb and get toasted very nicely. About a half gram will do nicely, though if you remove the trichomes from the herb (aka "Hashish&quot and ingest that directly, smaller quantities are fine.

[dionysus]

13. i ate about a 2 bowls worth of dank, i didn't notice much, but the rice crispy treats i tried. OMFG!

[MohRokTah]

15. The active chemicals in both the dank you ate and the rice crispy treats was identical.

Only possible difference is the concentration.

Pharmacologically, there is no difference whatsoever between the two, though you will lose some THC in the cooking process to vaporization.

[jberryhill]

30. I'm not persuaded

THC is fat soluble, and the cured buds are largely indigestible. I am by no means an expert, but I have to believe the bioavailability of THC, gram for gram, is going to be higher when prepared in warm butter than simply eating the buds. The fatty oils in the butter are going to do more extraction than the acids in your stomach and deliver it more effectively.

[Taitertots]

34. The bioavailability is much higher when properly prepared in a fatty oil.

It is a well known fact. This person simply hasn't done any research into the chemistry of pot.

[jberryhill]

42. The ecig folks have been busy too

And have repeated a number of ineffective methods that "some guy on the Internet says works". Oy.

[MohRokTah]

43. I have done the work

It's a myth that bioavailability is higher in a fatty oil.

Liposolubility is not a factor in digestive ingestion. Otherwise LSD and Psylocibin would require being in solution for digestive ingestion.

The issue is one of concentration with Tetrahydrocannabinol. Concentrating the active ingredients into a quarter cup of butter then distributing that amongst a tray of brownies gives you a high concentration of the active ingredient without the high fiber vegetative matter that is present in the bud.

The fiber of the bud can be a factor in digestion and is less readily digestible, which is why directly eating only that vegetative material with high concentrations of THC is much more effective. Eating hashish is a far more efficient way to obtain the chemical and is nearly identical to chemical extraction through liposolubility or by using some other organic compound for the pruposes of extraction and concentration.

[MohRokTah]

35. Nope, the chemical enters your bloodstream identically both ways.

Liposolubility only enters in retention of the drug in your body over time and for the purpose of distributing the drug evenly in a cooked product.

LSD and Psylocibin are also liposoluble drugs and direct digestive ingestion is the same for those drugs as for tetrahydrocannabinol.

They linger in body fat, but are not required to be dissolved in fats for digestive ingestion.

[jberryhill]

44. Oh, you're killing me

No, given the chemistry and mechanics of your gut it's not about the solubility per se.

There are mechanical issues and fluid transport issues.

Let's say you chew a piece of hash. Even though nicely concentrated, you are producing waxy THC laden microparticles. You have a couple of absorption mechanism. By chewing and saliva, you will get some absorption through the buccal membranes. Then you swallow, and those tiny waxy particles don't really care too much about the HCl in your stomach, which is not an organic solvent. When you get to the point where those microparticles contact your intestinal villi, then you get some transfer, but it is not as if those microparticles dissolve and release everything. Imagine holding a wet sponge. Yes, your hands will get wet, but there is still a lot of water in that sponge.

Whether you are talkin about vegetable matter or waxy matter, using oil as a solvent gets all that stuff out of a carrier which is insoluble in your gut, and spreads it out to be absorbed.

And, like others, I confirmed this as well some 30 odd years ago. I understand that advanced genetics have produced remarkable changes since that time, but the chemistry and physics haven't. You may be able to get high eating the sorts of things around today, but it will still be less effective than a fluid carrier.

[dionysus]

47. interesting, thank you.

[jmowreader]

64. You do

Leaf cannabis as removed from the plant contains THC-carboxylic acid, which isn't psychoactive. To make it entertaining you have to heat the weed in a process called decarboxylation. This strips off the carboxyl group and makes the pot worth using.

The nice thing is, you can decarboxylate weed in a clothes dryer. In case you're wondering why the cops loved to raid laundromats back in the Hippie Age...now you know.

[Taitertots]

16. Pot salad will do almost nothing

[MohRokTah]

17. Then you've never eaten it.

Requiring heat is a myth. There is no difference whatsoever in the chemical composition of cooked pot vs. uncooked, though you will lose some THC to vaporization through the cooking process.

[Egnever]

21. Hmm but juicing changes that?

[MohRokTah]

23. Nope, same chemical composition.

Precisely the same chemicals.

Vaporization through smoking or a vaporizer puts the chemical constituents in your brain more quickly because they enter your bloodstream almost immediately from your lungs.

Ingestion through eating takes longer for the chemicals to make it to your brain, about 30-45 minutes. It's also much more like psylocibin mushrooms as the effects are not as pronounced on the outset and get more intense over time, peaking about 1.5 to 2.5 hours after ingestion and then receding. Since the effects are not as intense as psylocibin mushrooms, many people who eat pot will actually sleep through the best part of the high due to thinking it's having no effect and deciding to just go to bed.

[Taitertots]

22. I tried many things in the foolhardy days of my youth.

Including eating raw cannabis.

THC becomes bio-available in several methods:
Inhaled vapors (smoking or vaporizers)
Fats (butter, coconut oil, bacon fat....)
Alcohols (ethyl alcohol, glycerin...)

Eating raw cannabis is just wasting it.

[MohRokTah]

24. You are incorrect.

You do not have to dissolve THC in any solvent, that is a myth. It simply does not work that way.

The only reason to dissolve THC in fatty substances is to evenly distribute the drug throughout the cooked product.

Other solvents are used to produce a more concentrated product, but there is precisely no chemical difference, only a concentration difference.

I''m editing this to add something. Get your hands on some bubble hash. It is nothing more than the trichomes from raw cannabis that has been separated from the other vegetative material by using ice cold water and agitation, then filtration.

Eat about a quarter gram of that and get back to me. The effects will be similar to a more mellow psylocibin mushroom trip. No heat, no dissolving, only natural concentration of the active ingredients.

[Taitertots]

29. Try it for yourself. Smoke a gram, eat a gram, make a gram into fat based cookies

I'll wait. Repost in this thread in 4 days after your have tried the available options.

I don't need to do it because I did it more than a decade ago.

[MohRokTah]

31. I've done all three, many many times

Eating a half gram and cooking 8 grams in butter for 16 brownies is precisely the same. No difference at all. If you eat a gram and test that against using a single gram in the butter extraction process for 16 brownies, though, eating a gram will be much more intense as the brownies are 1/16th the dosage.

Smoking a gram is different due to the means of ingestion. It hits more quickly as the drug enters your blood stream much more quickly through your lungs than through the digestive process.

[jberryhill]

37. You are missing the point

Yes, eating hash will work, because a lot of extraction from vegetable matter has been done from you.

Your body does not digest cellulose. It's why we don't eat grass.

It's not all about THC content. It is about absorption into your bloodstream.

But you are no longer talking about eating buds, and most people don't live in one of those states where you can just waltz into the 7-11 and pick up hash.

[MohRokTah]

40. No, precisely ZERO extraction from vegetative material has been done for you.

In fact, there has been NO extraction at all done in the preparation of hashish.

Not a single bit.

All that has been done is to separate vegetative secretion nodes from the other vegetative material. It is still vegetative. No extraction at all, you simply freeze the glands, agitiate to separate that vegetative material from the rest, then filter to first remove the larger vegetative bits from the mixture and finally use smaller filtration meshes to save the vegetative material with the higher contentration of the active chemicals you want.

There is no extraction.

[jberryhill]

32. It's not about heat

It's about using oil to extract the THC more efficiently than anything in your body. Making, say, a pesto sauce.

You would do much better with a salad using an olive oil infusion in your dressing, than putting it on like chives.

If you don't want to heat it, then just leave it in the oil for a while. Same process, lower kT, so it takes longer.

[MohRokTah]

36. Liposolubility is not a factor in digestive ingestion. eom

[jberryhill]

38. Transport. Fluid transport.

[MohRokTah]

41. Again, liposolubility is not a factor in digestive ingestion. eom

[RainDog]

54. Michael Backes of Abatin Wellness Center says...

and I can only quote, not respond as someone with direct knowledge (but Backes is very involved with cannabis-based MS medicine and very science-based, not anecdote-based, in response to the doctor who has talked about juicing...

Courtney's claim that raw cannabis is not psychoactive is true, but only for pristine, fresh cannabis. Disturb the gland heads on a living cannabis plant of a strain that contains THC and the process of converting its non-psychoactive THCA to psychoactive THC begins, albeit slowly.

...if someone is not harvesting the cannabis fresh and consuming it immediately, then there is a risk of significant THC intoxication.

...so he says raw cannabis THC is not as available as when it's already been chemically activated by heat extraction, it seems.

beyond that, it's interesting that, upon heating, THCA decarboxylates to THC - if this is done by smoke, the effect is immediate. If this is done by cooking/ingestion, the effect takes up to an hour - and the intoxication is different because, in the liver, delta-9-tetrahydracannabinol is metabolized into 11-hydroxy-tetrahydracannabinol (a metabolite), while smoking converts THCA into delta-9 and acts directly on the nervous system without liver metabolization - tho, immediately after smoking, THC, too, begins conversion to 11-THC as a metabolites in the bloodstream - which is noticeable an hour after, just as eaten cannabis takes about an hour to take effect. 11-THC is further broken down to the non-psychoactive 11-COOH-THC - which is the metabolite that stays in the body for days or weeks as it is slowly excreted - and this is the metabolite that identifies marijuana use in urine tests.

11-COOH-THC also mediates the effects of THC itself - which is one possible explanation for differences in intoxication between heavy/long time users and those who use cannabis infrequently - iow - the reason people feel higher if they use less often is because their body does not contain the metabolite 11-COOH-THC to dampen the effect of THC itself. This slow release (and dampening effect) is also why THC does not act upon people in the way something like heroin does - physiologically, cannabis provides its own "weaning" - unlike drugs of addiction - while the psychological desire would have to do with the pleasure of the effect of THC, but not, again, from a physical impulse - but the psychological desire would have lesser returns with more use, so there's no reward for such desire through increased use - and, in fact, such reward would be thwarted by constant use.

(This may also explain why those who are heavier users of THC are better drivers than those who use cannabis infrequently.)

At low levels, 11-THC produces drowsiness/a good night's sleep. At high levels, 11-THC can produce hallucinations. It's more likely that eating would produce these high levels because people are more likely to eat larger doses because they can't titrate as accurately as they can with smoked cannabis.

As a metabolite - 11-COOH-THC continues some anti-inflammatory action in the body

[jberryhill]

32. It's not about heat

It's about using oil to extract the THC more efficiently than anything in your body. Making, say, a pesto sauce.

You would do much better with a salad using an olive oil infusion in your dressing, than putting it on like chives.

If you don't want to heat it, then just leave it in the oil for a while. Same process, lower kT, so it takes longer.

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. This IS the FSM we are talking about here right?

that forbidden fruit would be be actual fruit....because everyone knows that the only fruit you eat of his olive oil anointed noodlyness.....is the sainted tomato!

[Go Vols]

7. There is no god,

toke up.

[TexasTowelie]

12. Then there was the legend of Johnny Ganjaseed...

A friend of mine use to bake the green apple muffins with the secret ingredient that made them green so I certainly believe that this could be true.

[msongs]

14. so god rips out adam's rib to make eve. adam needed some medicine asap nt

[McCamy Taylor]

18. Peyote, dude.

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. It was the magic mushroom, of course.

[951-Riverside]

25. In 1000 years they will find remains of the apple snow white bit into. n/t

[trusty elf]

27. Figs?

[IMG][/IMG]

[KansDem]

51. "Madam, I'm Adam"

The first palindrome?

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

59. The first or the second. Depends on who hit on whom first.

Eve man am Eve.

[trusty elf]

60. mmm-hmmm

"Eve" is also a palindrome!

[ohheckyeah]

28. I didn't know pot grew on trees.

The Bible says tree, not weed.

[jberryhill]

39. Yes, but...

The world was, what, a couple of weeks or months old?

How tall could the trees have been by then?

[Ghost in the Machine]

46. The "Forbidden Fruit" was from the "Tree of Knowledge". Adam and Eve were kept in the "Garden

of Eden" as an experiment to keep them illiterate and unwise to the ways of the world. "Satan" came down and taught Adam and Eve to read, write and think for themselves. At one time, "Satan" was "God's" right hand man, his most trusted "Angel" and was described as "the most beautiful Angel in Heaven".

When "God" found out what "Satan" had done, he got pissed and kicked "Satan" out of Heaven. "God" found out when he came looking for them, calling for them, and they finally answered that they were hiding, When asked *why* they were hiding, they answered that they were ashamed of their nakedness. When asked *who* told them they were naked, they answered "Thy Serpent", and God knew that Satan had been teaching them. he supposedly commented to other Angels that "they are like us now, they are gods themselves".

That's what I came away with after reading the bible anyways....

Peace,

Ghost

[Scootaloo]

48. I've always read the Serpent as a hero in the story

Certainly a Promethean figure who delivered knowledge and wisdom to humanity, albeit at the cost of peace and idyllic comfort... but that's just what knowledge - adulthood, in metaphor - brings. Wisdom requires some suffering.

...But then I also understood Judas as a hero as well, as without his actions, mankind would not have been saved by the sacrifice of Jesus - and Jesus clearly knew it and seems to have set it up with Judas... whose crime was doubt, not betrayal; he killed himself in grief. Which is a sort of Orphic take; not trusting the one he loved to return to him from the underworld, he doubts and looks over his shoulder...

Along with my abhorrence at the very notion of "original sin" - the concept the whole rigamarole is built around - I've always really, really sucked at being a Christian. I tried, i tried really, really hard. it just never worked.

[Ghost in the Machine]

53. "I've always really, really sucked at being a Christian. I tried, i tried really, really hard. it

it just never worked.

I know what you mean. When I was real young... 6,7, & 8 years old or so, my mom used to drag me and my older sister to church every Sunday. My dad never went. All I remember about Sunday School is starinng out the window watching the people fishing in the canal behind the church. The church service itself just scared the shit out of me. We had one of those yelling, red-faced fire and brimstone preachers and all I ever remember hearing was how God killed people. I actually ran out of the church a few times and my mom had to come get me off the swings in the playground. We didn't go back much after that happened the 3rd time.

I started going to church again when I was 15 because I was going with my girlfriend and her family. It was a Methodist church and wasn't too bad, but after a few months my mom decided I needed to go to a Baptist church, and started making me and my sister go to one with her. I wasn't too happy about it, either. When I was 17 I was just fed up with it all and decided I was an atheist. I had been baptized and everything, but I just never felt anything inside. The topping on the cake was when I asked the preacher a question that had a real simple answer.. in my mind anyways... and he couldn't answer it.

The story of Cain and Abel says that Cain was cast out of the Garden of Eden, but he had a mark put on his body so everyone else knew who he was, but they wouldn't harm him. My question to the preacher was "if Adam and Eve were the first people made and put here, where did all these other people come from??" The preacher looked at me like I just asked if I could have a 3 way with his wife and daughter or something! To me, the answer was very simple... "The bible said Adam and Eve were the first, but it didn't say they were the only."

I just decided it was all a myth, just like santa claus, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. Just another lie told to us by our parents about someone watching us all the time (which was freaky in itself, imho) to make sure we were being good.... and how could ONE GUY be watching EVERYONE at the same time, much less hearing all their prayers and yadda yadda yadda...

Peace,

Ghost

[WinkyDink]

56. Christianity, aka Paul, turned ancient religion/wisdom on its head, demonizing women and the

serpent.

The serpent was NEVER "Lucifer" or "the Devil"!

[Scootaloo]

61. It was a feature well before Paul

He didn't invent the Old Testament, after all.

[WinkyDink]

63. Haha! True enough! I conflated modernity with monotheism!

[RainDog]

58. That's one of the first things that turned me off xtianity too

because their god, according to their interpretation, needed people to be stupid to believe their stories. I thought... what kind of god requires stupidity? ignorance isn't bliss - it's ignorance.

the whole creation story - making Eve lesser, seeing the natural body and desire as bad - how f'ed up would someone's god have to be to hate like that?

some other religions noted that this god was a lesser god - and this is the reason for his jealousy. he must not have had a way with goddesses since he was so bitter toward females...not to mention the folklore that claimed Lilith was Adam's first wife, created as his equal, but that was a problem for women-hating culture so they turned her into a demon and invented Eve as a bible bimbo created from Adam - but, more likely, the story of Adam and Eve in that context was an incest story... which brings us to purity balling with dad among right wingers these days...

[Exposethefrauds]

49. Seeing that the story of Adam and Eve is nothing more than a fairy tale the forbidden fruit can be

anything anyone feels like making up!

I say the 'Forbidden Fruit' was Adam doing lines of ground up Unicorn Horn off Eves boobs!

[RainDog]

50. One linguist said cannabis is kaneh bosm in the OT

For Moses in his talks with God, and as part of the recipe for Jewish priests in their preparation of incense and holy oil ...but was mistranslated as callamus. Both callamus and cannabis are aromatic, but only cannabis figured into religious rites in an of itself in the west (thousands of years prior to any written explanations.)

Whether true or not, the claim has much more logic behind it than Klingenschmitt's... tho, actually, I think the right wing's irrational fear of cannabis makes sense in a round about way because the female plant of the (sexed) cannabis species is the most potent and is the source of buds that are now the gold standard of finely grown herb.

iow, it's female-sexed power that intoxicates and liberates from petty concerns the most. cannabis is also known as an aphrodisiac for some because it relaxes and allows people to disregard their anxieties and annoyances of the day, as well as helping people cope with aches and pains. it also heightens the senses, so touch feels more sensual, the tastes of kissing are amplified, and time is ignored - so doing something pleasant is something someone just wants to keep doing...

Right wingers love to state that women are supposed to suffer in childbirth... which, btw, offers another interesting aside - our own bodies produce anandimide when we are born - anandimide is the endogenous chemical that is the sister of THC - so we "forget" our passage from gestation to birth and produce a chemical to give us pleasure upon birth, as well as a way to mitigate any pain from the birth process itself - for the baby.

Cannabis was never referred to as a weed until it was vilified by capitalist society in the U.S., fwiw. Early uses were sacred and loving. If it's the kaneh referenced in the Song of Solomon... it's used to talk about his beloved...

Who is this coming up from the wilderness like a column of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and incense made from all the spices of the merchant?...Your shoots are an orchard of pomegranates With choice fruits, henna with nard plants, Nard and saffron, calamus/cannabis (kaneh) and cinnamon, With all the trees of frankincense, Myrrh and aloes, along with all the finest spices.

Cannabis was long used as a balm - while calamus was chiefly used for fragrance (it's related to iris - i.e. orris root, used in perfumes, but not medicinally.)

ANYWAY...

via wiki - Semitic etymologist Sula Benet, of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw, has indicated the origin to be the Hebrew word קַנַּבּוֹס (qannabbôs) kaneh bosm. Benet, (also known as Sara Benetowa) is quoted saying:

The astonishing resemblance between the Semitic kanbos and the Scythian cannabis lead me to suppose that the Scythian word was of Semitic origin. These etymological discussions run parallel to arguments drawn from history. The Iranian Scythians were probably related to the Medes, who were neighbors of the Semites and could easily have assimilated the word for hemp. The Semites could also have spread the word during their migrations through Asia Minor.

ANYWAY...

Greeks referred to the tribe as Scythians but Semites referred to them as Ashkenaz. They traded with one another. Herodutus first noted, for the western world, the use of cannabis for Scythians in religious ceremonies where they would throw cannabis on a fire in a tent and inhale the smoke, in honor of the goddess Tabiti-Hestia. Their burial rites included bags of cannabis seeds for the afterlife - these have been found as far north as Berlin, dated to 500 bce.

God appeared to Moses in the form of a burning bush... funny if that turned out to be cannabis...

Exodus 33 : As Moses went into the tent, the pillar of cloud would come down and stay at the entrance, while the Lord spoke with Moses. - a scene that would've been familiar to Scythinans because this is how they employed cannabis for religious purposes - and Zoraster (Zarathustra), whose religious views/religion is traced to the 6th century bce, said all of life is a struggle between truth and lie. He used cannabis to bring him religious visions - so cannabis was part of truth-seeking (while current prohibition and right wing distortions of Christianity, we know, is part of the world of lies.) But, the important thing for all of these uses was respect for the power of the earthy herb, not dissolution as part of its use...something for moderns to ponder too, maybe.

ANYWAY...

Raphael Mechoulam and co-workers at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem suggest an alternative etymology for cannabis: Greek cannabis < Arabic kunnab < Syriac qunnappa < Hebrew pannag (= bhanga in Sanskrit and bang in Persian). They explain that in Hebrew, only the consonants form the basis of a word and the letters p and b are frequently interchangeable. The authors think it probable that 'pannag', mentioned in the Bible by the prophet Ezekiel (27:17), is in fact Cannabis.[11]

The Biblical Hebrew term qěnēh bośem, literally "aromatic reed", (qěnēh-"reed", bośem-"aromatic&quot , probably[12] refers to cannabis according to some etymologists,[9] but is more commonly thought to be lemon grass, calamus, or even sweet cane, due to widespread translation issues.[13] The Hebrew Bible mentions it in Exodus 30:23 where God commands Moses to make a holy oil of myrrh, cinnamon, qěnēh bośem and cassia to anoint the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle (and thus God's Temple in Jerusalem).[14] Notably, this anointing oil is a special herbal formula that functions as a kind of polish and fragrance for the Ark and Tabernacle, and the Bible forbids its manufacture and use to anoint people (Exodus 30:31-33) with the exception of the Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30).

Elsewhere, the Hebrew Bible simply uses "reed" qānēh as the name of a plant in four places whose context seems to mean "reed of balm" as a fragrant resin, Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, Ezekiel 27:19 and Song of Songs 4:14. The Hebrew name "reed of balm" comes from qěnēh (the noun construct form of qāneh) means a "reed" or "cane" and bośem means "balm" or "aromatic" resin. Hebrew may have adapted the name qannabbôs from "reed of balm" qěnēh bośem as a substitute for the ambiguous name "reed".

The Hebrew word qaneh, sometimes translated as cannabis, appears in the Bible 62 times...

(the above is also from wiki about the etymology of the word "cannabis.&quot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/4079668.stm

[eShirl]

65. +1

[Motown_Johnny]

52. So I've been smoking "Trees Of Knowledge"?

Cool



You do realize that this makes more sense than a pomegranate?



(not that I believe the fairy tale)

[WinkyDink]

55. He seems not even to know that it was knowledge that was promised.

[Exposethefrauds]

57. According to the story Adam and Eve did not have kids till they were kicked out

of the garden, the forbidden fruit could be sex.

all religions are pretty uptight about it so it makes some sense.

[MineralMan]

62. How do you identify a fruit mentioned in a fable?

There was no fruit. There was no garden of Eden. There was a creation story told over campfires to answer questions that are impossible to answer. Every religion has creation stories. That one is just one of such stories.