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Fri May 16, 2014, 03:22 AM

Why Obamacare can't lower costs

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_obamacare_cant_lower_costs_20140...

The ACA cannot cut costs because its proponents subscribed to the wrong diagnosis of the U.S. health care crisis. They accepted the conventional wisdom that overuse of health care services is the most important reason why per capita health care costs are double those of the rest of the industrialized world, and that overuse is caused by two chronic failings among American doctors: They routinely order services patients do not need and fail to provide them with obviously beneficial preventive ones that would keep them healthy and minimize later need for medical interventions.

This diagnosis is wrong. First, underuse is far more common than overuse, even among the insured. To cite one example, 80 percent of insured Americans showing telltale symptoms, such as shortness of breath, do not see a doctor. Second, preventive services usually raise spending because they cost more to supply than they save.

Predictably enough, the mistaken “overuse” diagnosis led ACA proponents to the wrong solution, namely, that doctors can be forced or induced to stop ordering unnecessary services and provide more preventive services if they are subjected to more control by insurance companies. But the premises upon which this solution is based are also false. It is not true that the methods that the insurance industry uses to control doctors are so precise that they reduce overuse without aggravating underuse. It is also not true that the insurance industry’s methods are so inexpensive compared with the savings due to reduced overuse that, on balance, costs go down.

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Let us consider first the evidence on overuse. Overuse does exist. The overuse of antibiotics is a good example. But underuse is rampant, and not merely among the uninsured, but among the insured as well, and not just with respect to inexpensive preventive services, but to expensive procedures like heart surgery. Here are some examples of underuse taken from papers published in the peer-reviewed literature. Note that the subjects of these studies all had insurance.

Eight in 10 insured Americans who suffer serious symptoms such as unexplained loss of consciousness, unexplained bleeding, or shortness of breath from climbing a flight of stairs do not see a doctor. Six in 10 seniors insured by Medicare who have been told they need gall bladder surgery don’t get it done. Half of all insured Americans who should have an angiogram to detect blocked coronary arteries don’t get one, and one-fourth of those who do have an angiogram that indicates they have dangerously blocked arteries do not undergo surgery to treat the blockages. Half of all insured people with high blood pressure are not being treated for it.

According to the best study of the rates of both under- and overuse (a 2003 paper in The New England Journal of Medicine), underuse occurs at about four times the rate of overuse – 46 percent versus 11 percent. Here is how the authors summarized their findings: “Underuse of care was a greater problem than overuse. [P]atients failed to receive recommended care about 46 percent of the time, compared with 11 percent of the time when they received care that was not recommended and potentially harmful.”

Once you realize underuse is far more serious than overuse, the claim that reducing overuse can cut costs loses its seductiveness. The question naturally arises, if our goal is to lower costs through better health, how do we improve the overall health of the populace while leaving all that underuse untouched? The logical answer is we can’t (and the moral answer is we shouldn’t). And if we decide we must eliminate or reduce underuse to improve health, how do we do that without spending a lot more money to provide the underused services? The answer is we can’t eliminate or even reduce underuse without spending a lot more money.



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eridani May 2014 OP
Prophet 451 May 2014 #1
Shandris May 2014 #2
Egnever May 2014 #3
Vattel May 2014 #6
eridani May 2014 #8
Octafish May 2014 #4
Lex May 2014 #5
Octafish May 2014 #7
eridani May 2014 #9

Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 03:49 AM

1. Healthcare costs in the USA are so high because...

...they can be. No business in the world operates on a model of "costs + percentage profit". Every business charges whatever they can get away with. In the US, because you have no national healthcare system, they can get away with a lot. I call the method of preventing that my "backstop theory" of pricing. Basically, because the NHS here provides a "backstop", a bottom floor of service for cost, private insurers have to compete with that. People still buy private insurance here for all kinds of reasons. Some want brand name drugs (the NHS tends toward generics to keep costs down), luxurious hospitals (NHS tends toward functional and spartan to keep costs down and make cleaning easier) or to skip the availability lists (which often means they'll be seen by an NHS doctor moonlighting). Some just want the status symbol. But the NHS offers a basic level of service, below which standards cannot fall.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 04:01 AM

2. How can a person use the insurance they have if they can't afford the time off to...

 

...visit the doctor?

I could have told them that in about 30 seconds and saved a few billion dollars.

Although...that link isn't working for me.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 05:13 AM

3. This is confusing

 

They routinely order services patients do not need and fail to provide them with obviously beneficial preventive ones that would keep them healthy and minimize later need for medical interventions.


preventive services usually raise spending because they cost more to supply than they save.


Which is it?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #3)

Fri May 16, 2014, 08:13 AM

6. Your first quote is one of the claims they reject.

 

Notice that what follows it is the suggestion that "this diagnosis is wrong."

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Response to Egnever (Reply #3)

Sat May 17, 2014, 02:13 AM

8. Both. A. Prevention gives people longer and healthier lives. B. It costs money

Since the whole point of health care is longer and healthier lives, it's worth spending the money. Just don't try to bullshit people that it saves money. The people with the lowest lifetime health care costs are fat smokers.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 07:46 AM

4. Kick and Rec.

Perhaps single payer, universal health care coverage is the answer.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #4)

Fri May 16, 2014, 07:58 AM

5. Perhaps?

I think most here agree that it is.

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Response to Lex (Reply #5)

Fri May 16, 2014, 08:18 AM

7. It would be the democratic way forward.

Civilized, too.

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Response to Lex (Reply #5)

Sat May 17, 2014, 02:13 AM

9. There is probably a state single payer group in your state

Please work with them.

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