Ya know, its fine if you don't like Discussionist, but

[quinnox]

its kinda rude and offensive to call it by names like "Disgustingest"

Just sayin', this is a new web site put together by the same fine people who brought you DU. Is it too much to ask to not slam it like this, or heck, maybe even wish it well?

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. It is what it is!

[shenmue]

2. I haven't used it yet

Maybe I will. I will balance out the arguments by posting lots of cute pictures of cats and ducks.

[quinnox]

6. Cat pics? It could use those!

IMHO, there is never enough of them.

[arcane1]

10. And cat music-videos too!

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. Hadn't heard it until I read your post.

[quinnox]

4. Here ya go

http://www.discussionist.com/

Enjoy.

[greatauntoftriplets]

5. No, the term "disgustingest".

[quinnox]

8. Oh, pardon. I have seen it used here a few times. Not that much, but I cringed when I saw it

[Cali_Democrat]

7. How can people not like the Discussionist?

I mean, you have people openly "rooting" for racist billionaires:

http://www.discussionist.com/10143121

Throw in some misogyny which rails against the "gynarchy" taking over America:


http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=12186


What's not to love?

[quinnox]

12. Yea, well if you click on that thread, you will see they got a lot of blowback too

It is not like there weren't discussionist people saying, "WTF?" to that particular Sterling thread.

[greatauntoftriplets]

13. The first one likes to hang out in libraries.

The second one is just

[BainsBane]

54. that's precisely why some love it

They feel free to express their views about women and people of color. Better there than here.

[corkhead]

71. No thanks, I get enough of that from my local paper's comments section

which is why I am here and not there.

[DonCoquixote]

67. wow

people accusing women who work of taking jobs from a male breadwinner?
a son getting mad at his mom for not making money through porn?

Whew...I knew that site would be bad, but not this bad.

[Old Codger]

9. Seems like a nice place

I you like reading idiotic statements from RW a**h**l*s... I made an account and tried to read some of that but won't go back for the same reason I don't go to freeperville..

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. I left S.C. to get away from people that think like the freepers....

damned if I want to hang around with them now...

[AverageJoe90]

11. I've only seen a little bit of this, but honestly......

it seems like both right-wing trolls and the fringe-left discontents(literal "white privilege" pushers, radfems, and the like), have already flocked to the site, en masse, and are battling it out, like fucking crazy. Wouldn't be surprised to eventually see some Naderites and hardcore Snowden fanboys thrown in there as well. And with that, I'm not so sure I wanna join just yet.....

[quinnox]

14. Hey now, I'm a hardcore Snowden fanboy

Put up your dukes!

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. No one would call me "fringe-left" and I believe in White Privilege...

sooo you are even wrong about THIS assumption....

White privilege IS not far left....sorry....Maybe you are more to the Right than you think!

[AverageJoe90]

37. Exceptions don't prove the rule.

Maybe you are more to the Right than you think!

Sure, sure. And in that vein, maybe perhaps you yourself aren't as progressive as you think. See how that works?

[xocet]

42. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "Exceptions don't prove the rule." ??? n/t

[AverageJoe90]

43. In this case, most people who believe in literal "white privilege", that I've seen......

are very much on the fringes of the left. VR here may indeed be center-left, but she is the exception because of that one thing.

[xocet]

44. Thank you for your explanation. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. Uh no.,.....you have that part wrong too...

that is NOT true....

MOST people on DU....Do believe in White Privilege....you are in a distinct minority..

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

52. What is 'non-literal' white privilege?

Having trouble figuring out what the distinction is supposed to be.

[AverageJoe90]

55. In the 1960s and '70s, when it was first coined....."white privilege" was originally intended.....

as a philosophical thing, as a "try to see this from another person's perspective", type of thing as it were. And a noble cause, to be truthful. But in more recent years, there's been yet another definition that's gained some prominence, this one holding that this "privilege" is actually a very tangible thing, and a tangible thing that every white person actively benefits from, every day. This seems to have become especially prominent over the past several years, with the rise of social media, as previously truly fringe elements found their platforms to soapbox and such(YouTube seems to have been largely spared, though). And unfortunately, with that, there's been an increasing problem with the term's abuse.

[kwassa]

65. Your thesis is ridiculous.

It was ridiculous the first time you stated it. It was ridiculous the 100th time you stated it, though you are way past that by now.

and you never, ever, supported your thesis with an ounce of proof. There is no fringe version of white privilege. This is some strange fantasy.

[BainsBane]

56. don't be ridiculous

All it is is acknowledging racism in its various manifestations. There is nothing fringe about it. It is standard among College students, as the article by the sniveling little Princeton racist showed. The Ivy League is hardly a bastion of fringe politics. You have idea what you are talking about yet again.

[LanternWaste]

74. I imagine you place much faith in your anecdotal experiences...

I imagine you place much faith in your anecdotal experiences...

[AverageJoe90]

75. And there's something wrong with that?

I'll be the first to admit that anecdotal personal experiences, alone, don't always lead to the most informed conclusions. And I've been wrong before, sometimes. And if I find some real evidence that I'm wrong, I'll change my views accordingly. But so far, I haven't been able to find that proof I need. So take that as you will.

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. good point....

Apparently along with White Privilege....he also doesn't believe "exceptions don't disprove the rule"

[VanillaRhapsody]

45. Maybe I am more Progressive than you?

but that doesn't necessarily mean I am Far Left!

[Paladin]

15. I can't get over the obsession with DU at Discussionist.

I mean, I expected a certain amount of it, but damn---there are threads where people are talking about getting banned from DU, and you'd think they had been cast out of the Garden Of Eden. Really distressing stuff; makes me appreciate DU and my years of participation here.

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. That aspect is pretty funny.

Some were banned for pretty egregious reasons, yet claim to have no idea what happened.

[BainsBane]

58. the accounts of reasons for banning

are hilarious. The only one that rings true is the one who said he was banned for third party activism.

[greatauntoftriplets]

59. Like they say...

denial ain't just a river in Egypt. It's like the night of the walking dead over there in some respects.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

22. "They suffer from DUDS - DU Derangement Syndrome"

http://www.discussionist.com/101512696#post145

Seems like it affects those of all political stripes!

[KamaAina]

23. I suspect the trolls have come out from under The Site That Shall Not Be Named

[BainsBane]

60. a number use

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Their same names or avatars so they are easy to spot. At least one was commiserating with banned and maybe current DUers about the "feminazis and gay mafia."

[KamaAina]

66. Oy vey!

And I'm not even Jewish!

[BainsBane]

57. with HOF and the BOG

Which I am now convinced is code for black people.

[Bobbie Jo]

62. lol

"....you'd think they had been cast out of the Garden Of Eden."

Ok, that was funny.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. That's not new.

Do a turn on MIRT some time. You'll be astounded at the persistence of certain repeat customers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. I went there, secured a name

and it is now in the same category as the Conservative Cave. Yup, that simple

[caraher]

73. Huh - that could be (mildly) entertaining

I had no interest in the site, but it might be fun to taste the tears of the clueless and the faux-tears of the faux-clueless...

[Paladin]

83. Don't hate me if you're not amused. (nt)

[jimlup]

16. Yeah I agree and the discussions aren't at the level I would

but the site will likely evolve. I'll hold final judgement... In some ways I like having the Republicans around. There arguments are pretty lame and obvious.

[Raine1967]

17. ok. Thank you for the lesson.

I will keep it in mind.

Have fun over there. Sorry you are offended.

[quinnox]

19. thank you

[Raine1967]

21. Oh. you are welcome.

I prefer DU. and I also prefer this back and forth to go away.

IF you like it over there, good go.

Please leave it over there. I'm on DU. I like it here. Go, discussionist.

[FSogol]

85. +1 n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

20. I'm enjoying it...

and agree with you. It'll be interesting to see how it evolves.

[sufrommich]

24. Seriously? That whole site is a DU bash fest.

It's like like a big old group hug between ex and present disgruntled DUers and conservative cavers.It's virulently anti feminist and God forbid one doesn't despise Obama enough. I gave it a try,I have no interest in joining conservatives in bashing democrats,if I wanted that,I'd sign up at free republic.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. ^^^^ my sentiments exactly.....

[AverageJoe90]

38. I've seen a few of the fringe-left there, too. And sometimes they're about as bad as the RWNJ trolls

who've made their mark on this site as well, to be perfectly honest.

[TeeYiYi]

25. I told the owners...

...(in the kindest way possible) that I thought it was a clusterfuck; but I wished them well with their new business venture.

TYY

[Spazito]

26. It's hilarious in it's own way...

so many posts about DU and DUers, former DUers who had been banned from here whining about being banned for.....wait for it....they have NO idea, lol.

Add the cavers, the elmers and freepers to the mix and it is definitely the 'fight club' forum some had asked Skinner for years ago.

Having said that, putting aside the the above, there are some surprisingly good discussions ongoing between left and right members, more than I expected.

I think it might mature into something quite interesting...or not, it's too early to tell, imo.

[JI7]

27. hahhahah

[bvar22]

28. DU has a much nicer ambiance since Discussionist started.

I think some of our combative personality types who just like to stir shit have found a new home?
I hope so.

[joshcryer]

41. Not all of them, but I agree.

[fried eggs]

29. I haven't registered yet, but I have one burning question

I saw threads discussing how former banned DU members signed up quickly after the site launched. I find that fascinating. How did they know about Discussionist so fast? Were banned members emailed an invitation? Or did they continue to lurk on DU after getting banned, then jump for joy when Discussionist was created? If I were banned from a site, I would feel insulted and would never visit the site again.

[greatauntoftriplets]

31. They probably lurked.

Some have been banned from here multiple times.

[NuclearDem]

30. Until I saw the "nuke Saudi Arabia" thread, I would have agreed.

[JI7]

34. there are some real fucked up people there

[doxydad]

36. I lurked...

...and left. It has to evolve before I get back there.

[Cleita]

39. I'm sure the same critics have not so flattering words behind the scenes

for DU as well. Isn't there a website called Dummies Underground? Gee. I wonder who came up with that?

[Capt. Obvious]

40. We must kill it in its infancy

[zeemike]

53. Yep the "nits make lice" philosophy.

But of some here don't want to talk to Conservatives then they should not go there...or lurk and come back here to talk about them behind their back.

I prefer to go there and confront their ideas on issues in as friendly way as possible and listen to them as I expect them to listen to me....that is the only way we will heal...and considering the state of this country there is much need for healing.
They are human beings and they can be reached with love and kindness...in most cases...but never will they be reached with ridicule and anger.

[Why Syzygy]

82. It is proving to be

an exercise in 'civility' for them. The good thing about DU has been teaching the art of debate without resorting to personal attacks. It's painful for them. I'm hoping they, too, can learn to discuss issues and not personalities. Some people are making a real effort to allow that to happen.

[AuntPatsy]

46. I cannot call it interesting, honestly I was hoping I could perhaps it will help to enlightened some

Then again sadly I don't give that scenario much hope, I hope I am wrong, good or bad, United we Stand Divided we Fall, on the face of it, it's a good attempt as any by the DU administration to see if such can ever be for Americans in today's society...

[billh58]

49. "Discussionist" has very little to do

with "discussion" other than to bash Democrats and cow-tow to trolls, zombies, right-wingers, and gun nuts. Thanks, but I'll pass.

[greiner3]

50. Well, at least the new site keeps the freepers off of DU streets.

[broadcaster75201]

51. I bailed on it but doesn't mean it's "bad"

There are just enough sites on the Net I visit where Freeper psychosis is permitted. I just didn't need another.

[TBF]

61. I think it's great -

for whoever likes it. Not my cup of tea. I hope it is very successful for the inventors

[AleksS]

64. It does remind me that right wingers REALLY are

It does remind me that right wingers REALLY are as ridiculous as we make them out to be here on DU. I was afraid I was isolating myself in a protective cocoon here, and that I was only exposing myself to untrue stereotypes, etc.

However, Discussionist at least lets me see that: Nope! Right wingers really are as bad as DU portrays them.

[Why Syzygy]

68. I like it.

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Many people are posting that they "love" it.

Many of the RWers seem to be dropping out after they aren't getting locks on all the posts they want locked. There's some troll baiting, trying to get someone in trouble. But, hey, that happens here too! Much misunderstanding of the line between 'civil' and 'uncivil', not realizing that attacking someone's illogical comments isn't 'uncivil'. It is the opinion of many members there that the time is right for more open discussion.

The same DU admins are making every effort to make it a good site. I don't understand why DU members would want to shit on that.


This is the last (and only) thread in which I will discuss the new site.

[eridani]

69. It's basically a troll nature preserve--

--where you are allowed to tease the wildlife.

[Cleita]

78. Actually, I think its evolutionary that the trolls are allowed to be in the open.

This way we don't have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out the sneaky ones flying under the radar here. I actually have always preferred knowing who my adversaries are without having to be cautious about those alert gang bangs that occur here when other POV disturb the doctrine du jour.

Some of the best discussions on health care I ever had back in the last century were with a doctor, who was 100% for free market insurance, and of course I was and still am in favor of single payer. We could disagree with each other without having to gore each other's ox. And we had a sort of grudging friendship.

Since that board was taken down, when Bush was selected (wonder why?), I don't know how all the changes in the last 13 years have affected him, but I'll bet he's in favor of the ACA.

[davidpdx]

88. ....

where you are allowed to tease slap and tickle the wildlife.

Fixed

[Cleita]

76. I haven't tried it yet, but other DUers I respect are liking it.

I'll pm you my user name as soon as I think of one. Any suggestions?

[Why Syzygy]

81. I'm very good

at naming animals . But user names. hmm . I guess it depends on where you want to connect. Nothing wrong with the name you use here. If you want to keep it, you must notify Skinner to release the name for you to use. Some are doing that. I went with an activity. Kitties? Places? Hobbies? Personal statement? How about "Sweetheart"? <3 No one could argue with that.

You'll see a lot of really stupid names, such as Clown from Kenya. The good thing about that name is you can call him "Clown" and he can't object!

(I forgot to ask you about work. Write back.)

[alphafemale]

70. It's certain;y not for people that like to be coddled.

I've explored.

Yes there are laughably outrageous thought balloons launched.

So what?

They are generally shot down.

[Trajan]

77. No

Simply, no ...

[Old and In the Way]

79. I'm having fun there.

Splitting my time between the 2 places. I come here for LBN and more thoughtful conversation. I go there for more open and combative debate. It's not for the faint of heart - especially those that don't want a blunt and maybe even insulting direct response. If you don't like engaging with the mouth breathers and can't take the typical vicious personal attacks that pass for intelligent conservative debate, the place isn't for you. Me, I like to playing word jiu-jitsu with the less intelligent cons that think they are posting heavyweights.

But here's the thing. FR/CU/CC/DU are all closed communities. The ToS of all these sites want to encourage discussions by like minded people and actively remove those who disagree {much less so in DU's case, than the ideologically pure conservative sites, IMHO}. But, all have the reputation of being team oriented. Discussionist has the potential of being a real neutral site where ideas/viewpoints can be stated and debated. The value here is that unaligned, apolitical, independent type readers can see both sides discussing the issues and determine which group - cons or lib/progs - are making the better arguments. I truly hope the numbers stay roughly equal so the jury outcomes don't become a way to repress / eliminate one group or the other.

[KamaAina]

80. "Obamanochio" AND a link to the Daily Fail!

http://www.discussionist.com/101515798

[FSogol]

84. Leave Discussionist Alone!

BTW, you are the only one I have seen using that term.
What is the term for people that spread shit around and then complain about all the shit?

[Capt. Obvious]

86. I pity the fool

that doesn't go back to the best decade to trot out jokes.

[Why Syzygy]

87. "Clown from Kenya" has been PPR'd

A moment of silence.

[JI7]

89. how about the thing called "traybama" ?

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. Same person - those were 2 of 4 accounts

Operating four accounts simultaneously, two of which were suspended after reaching the five post limit (Traybama, cajun266, klaus63, Clown From Kenya).

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=profile&uid=101260&sub=trans

(cajun266 got to 5 hidden posts, Traybama to 7, and Clown From Kenya 1)

[Why Syzygy]

94. I don't

find any matches for that user name. Did someone mention him upthread?

[muriel_volestrangler]

90. That reminds me - DUers on Discussionist should make full use of their jury blacklist

You may not use it here, because you may think that everyone here is capable of rational thought and judgement, and even putting aside whatever ideological differences we have here; but on Discussionist, there are some true right wing idiots who shouldn't be trusted with crayons, let alone decisions. 'Clown From Kenya' went into that category from the moment I read his posts.

[Why Syzygy]

91. My list is full.

I only wish it had more spaces.

[quinnox]

93. He should have been banned for that handle alone

Jeez, I'm a fan of free and open discussion and this new site, but there has to be some standards.

[Why Syzygy]

96. It doesn't work that way

It may be mostly drawing the combative conservatives now; but as the site becomes established and other less rad people get involved, the discussions should become more productive, and I don't think we will see so much of that. Even if it morphs into a liberal leaning site, at least we still have the freedom to deviate from norms that may not apply to us. That hasn't been the case at DU.

[Paladin]

95. I'm already weary of Discussionist after just a few days.

Way too much unbridled racism, misogyny, gun rights absolutism, and other assorted hyper-conservative excess. I'm going to give it another viewing in a month or so, to see whether the place has settled down, with some much-needed boundaries put in place. Right now, it's not giving me anything I don't see already from the right-wing screamers on Facebook.

[Puglover]

97. LOL too funny.

I am sure admin wasn't sitting around thinking "Gee, let's build a site for no reason at all and exile all of the meanies and nasties there and keep the pure of heart and soul at DU.

Meanwhile, I find it funny that the loudest tongue cluckers are the members that spent hours and I mean hours at OET trying to suss out who was who so they could get them banned here.

And unless admins position has changed (I doubt it has.) They never gave a crap. Unless there was clear intention to disrupt at DU they always were supportive of members right to post wherever and whenever they wanted.

What a world.

They're discussion forums. Enjoy them. Don't enjoy them. Who cares? (This isn't addressed to you Quinnox)

I hope the guys make some good bucks on the place. And who knows? Maybe the brave souls that like the discussion over there might change a mind or 3. That wouldn't be such a bad thing.

As far as bad mouthing DU and members that will get old fast. No other anti DU site has lasted based on that. I am sure the guys are smart enough to know that.