The anti-democrat censorship by the extreme left on DU is why so many are enjoying discussionist.

[JJChambers]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by ucrdem (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Sometimes the truth hurts. This is supposed to be a Democrat forum and yet center-left DEMOCRATS frequently have their opinions censored by activist far-left juries.

[Maedhros]

1. Welcome to my ignore list!

Your post is ridiculous, as I suspect any of your subsequent posts will be.

[JJChambers]

4. Thanks, this is a democrat forum. Take your ball and run along. I suspect I'll be in good company.

[socialist_n_TN]

11. If you're really a good Democrat, you should know.......

that it's a RIGHT WING, REPUBLICAN trait to use "Democrat" when it should be "Democratic".

And as an aside, speaking as one of the MOST left wing posters here, I RARELY vote to hide any posts. It has to be incontrovertibly a personal attack for me to vote to hide.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

75. Why is it that RWers have so many troubles using English?

They often seem to have at best a passing acquaintance with spelling, poor grammar, and manifest this odd misunderstanding of the difference between adjectives and nouns, as demonstrated time and again with the 'Democrat' noun being used where the adjectival form should be expected...

You don't see the left going around talking about the 'Republic' Party.

[ancianita]

87. THIS. THANK YOU!

[Gothmog]

91. I noticed this also

I really hate it when the righties pull this stunt.

[billh58]

17. Most Democrats would refer to DU

as a "Democratic" forum (as in "Democratic Underground&quot , as opposed to the FR use of the term "Democrat" (party, forum, platform, etc.). YMMV...

[Drew Richards]

21. Democratic...only trolls improperly use the title Democrat as a derogatory term which one are you?

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. Did you forget the "sarcasm" thingy? eom.

[Maedhros]

9. Nah. I have no time for the "YOU ULTRA LEFTISTS ARE MEAN!!!" nonsense. [n/t]

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. So you do exactly what the OP mentioned? ...

Oh the irony.

[Electric Monk]

25. This OP will be locked not because of left/right/centrism issues, but for violating forum SOP

No whining about DU.

[Maedhros]

30. I own my decision. I'm sure it won't haunt me too much.

(Point of Clarification: the OP bemoaned censorship by jury, which is not quite the same as placing on the ignore list.)

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. You're right ... big difference, on clarification. eom.

[frazzled]

2. DemocratIC

Your IC-lessness is showing

[quinnox]

3. Oh boy

[TransitJohn]

6. Lulz

What color is the sky where you are?

[City Lights]

7. LOL.

Good one!

[hlthe2b]

8. well, then you've got your forum. Why come back to complain & insult us over here?

[laundry_queen]

60. Yep

all 6 months of being on DU and he hates it already. Why stick around if you've found something better? Buh-bye, I say.

[Squinch]

10. Did you just drop by here to tell us how much more fun you are having with your new

friends?

[etherealtruth]

12. That's OK

Those that prefer Discussionist will use it ... those that prefer DU will use it ... that is the truth and I am good with it.

I wish Skinner and all great success, and hope "everyone" can find a site that suits them

[AverageJoe90]

13. It does happen, unfortunately. And it needs to be addressed.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

True, true. In my own personal experience, this seems to be especially apparent when I have attempted to explain why a certain version of "white privilege" theory(that is, the literalist one, the one in which white people as a collective supposedly have actual tangible privilege that they actively benefit from every day.) so beloved by certain elements on DU doesn't make sense, or exist in any real form. Or when I've pointed out that the belief that People of Color can't be racist is also not based on reality. Or how Eddie Snowden isn't actually the hero he's been made out to be. Or how climate doomers' fearmongering is harming the prospects of actually getting things done in terms of actual progress on fighting climate change.

And in every single case, I'm not the only one who's pointed this stuff out. But some people, for whatever reason, whether they're trolls or other malcontents with an axe to grind, or just passionate people who happen to fall on the wrong side of things who just get really caught up on their arguments(in my experience, the latter has constituted the majority of cases that I've dealt with).....just can't seem to get a clue or let go. And I mean no offense to any of the people who fall into the latter group, at least, by the way. Because I know you guys, at least, are decent folks thru and thru.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. You keep trying to spin that ...

"white privilege literal versus philosophical" yarn ... but when I ask you where you get it from, you disappear ... only to re-appear to spin away ... oh, and to complain that no one will listen to you.

So I'll ask you again ...

Please link to a single social scientist that holds your interpretation of white privilege. I'd love to see where this "literal white privilege versus philosophical white privilege" idea comes from ... though I can already guess.

[LeftyMom]

44. It probably comes from the same place his ideas about climate come from,

ie he made it up and whines endlessly that people who post the actual data about the situation are hurting his feefees.

[AverageJoe90]

46. Juvenile, much?

Honestly, I'm not so much offended, as a tad annoyed, perhaps.

Here, if you'd like one of my sources for climate change, here's Andy Revkin's DotEarth blog:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/

[LeftyMom]

47. Yeah, your concern trolling is.

It's why your lame denialist arguments never get anything more than an eyeroll.

[AverageJoe90]

49. Care to provide any proof for these allegations, LeftyMom? nt

[LeftyMom]

55. Let's go see who is at the top of the banned list for the DU Environment/Energy group?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1127

Oh look, it's AverageJoe90.

You got banned from E/E for climate denialism. After repeated warnings, no doubt.

[AverageJoe90]

57. And without any proof of *actual* denial, mind you.

Every time I asked for proof when an allegation was brought up, no proof was ever offered. By anyone who made them.

No, the real reason I was kicked out of E & E, if you must know, was because I stood up to doomerist bullshit. That's what happened.

So, you gonna offer me any proof?

[LeftyMom]

65. You scream "Doomers!!!!1!" whenever anybody posts the data.

I'm not sure if you do it because the data is ugly and you choose not to believe it, or if it's because you want to poison the well and prevent productive discussion.

But I'm sitting here in the middle of the most fertile farm country on earth, where nobody can grow shit this year because there's no goddamn water, where we're bracing ourselves for the inevitable wildfires this summer (not that they stopped in the winter, but they slowed somewhat) and I have no patience with your denialism. "It's not going to be that bad! Because DOOOMERS!" is a not a convincing argument when real pain from climate change can be found right outside my window. Today.

[1StrongBlackMan]

77. He's funny ...

He's demanding "Proof" from you ... while running from my demand for proof, or even support of his invented notion.

This guy is rich in what he claimed didn't exist ... until he reached behind him and picked up a new term.

[AverageJoe90]

45. I've already tried to explain this to you at least once. But you didn't listen.

So honestly, given that, I quickly realized that it would be a *major* waste of time trying to go any further. So I have nothing else to say to you, except that it's apparent that the only way you'll see the truth is to open your own eyes and look for yourself. Otherwise, I'm done with this.

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. So no links ...

Of the academics saying what you claim they have said or intended? Gotcha!

[AverageJoe90]

54. "Gotcha!" Not even close. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. "Gotcha" as in ...

"Oh ... I understand completely now!"

I've already tried to explain this to you at least once. But you didn't listen. So honestly, given that, I quickly realized that it would be a *major* waste of time trying to go any further. So I have nothing else to say to you, except that it's apparent that the only way you'll see the truth is to open your own eyes and look for yourself. Otherwise, I'm done with this.

You keep saying that "the only way you'll see the truth is to open your own eyes and look for yourself" ... Is that a version of "Look it up; I'm not going to do your research for you"? (The statement that many make when they know they have nothing to back up their claim). You're right, I'm not going to listen to you invent a term, then use that invented term to interpret what the academics "intended" to mean ... especially when you are completely unable to come up with a single academician that supports you interpretation.

I couldn't help but notice that you posted a link above to support you "climate denying" position; yet you can't be bothered to post a link to your "invented" argument. Why is that?

[AverageJoe90]

90. Honestly, just stop.

You're right, I'm not going to listen to you invent a term, then use that invented term to interpret what the academics "intended" to mean ... especially when you are completely unable to come up with a single academician that supports you interpretation.

Just stop with this shit, alright? If you actually had any idea about this, you'd understand at least on a basic level, the problems I've discussed. And I might as well just come out and say it: I'll admit that my own knowledge may not be perfect in this regard. But neither is yours. And I don't know what it'll take for you to wake the fuck up: frankly, only you yourself have the answer to that, if anything.

But if nothing else, at least get started by listening to someone who's actually done some work(including writing a book on the subject!), who is quite sympathetic to the real plights suffered by PoC, both on an individual level and on a collective level.....and who's married to an African-American. And still has some legitimate criticism to offer.

http://theupsidedownworld.com/2012/05/25/the-real-reason-the-term-white-privilege-is-a-load-of-crap/

[Egnever]

14. you can't argue with far lefties..but

Pukes are no problem?

You will have to excuse me if I find this funny.

By most measures I am center left and I do find the far left exasperating at times but I find freepers far more so.

If I want to argue with creepers there are plenty of choices already. I don't need another.

[JJChambers]

16. I much prefer the far left to the far right

That doesn't mean I have to like it when I see reasonable democrats, who happen to espouse center-left viewpoints, censored for on this forum. That's wrong.

[Egnever]

22. you are only censored

If you let them.

I know the cliques can gang up on you but it won't be any better there and it will be worse cause you will have to argue with idiot pukes spewing Limbaugh garbage.

Like I said plenty of places to do that already.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Center left view points are not censored on this forum.

[AverageJoe90]

50. This is usually the case for me as well.

But sometimes, even the far-left gets goddamn annoying.

That doesn't mean I have to like it when I see reasonable democrats, who happen to espouse center-left viewpoints, censored for on this forum. That's wrong.

Yes. This, this times a fucking million.

[KG]

15. shirley you have a bunch of links of far-left oppression...

[rurallib]

38. yes, thank you - Iwas about to ask the same

I promised myself this election year when i hear a RW talking point my first response will be "please give examples.
The ACA is killing jobs - please cite examples including how many jobs were lost.

Obama is a socialist - please give examples citing where he used socialist means to solve a problem

Left wingers shutting you down - please cite examples - thank you.

[AverageJoe90]

59. Check some of the "white privilege" threads.

Not so much a case of outright, "oppression", perhaps, but lots of shouting down of opposing views for sure.

[Bobbie Jo]

94. Good grief

Yanno...

I'm browsing on my phone, so I can't see the poster's name until I click on a post. When I saw the phase "white privilege" in the title of this post, I knew it had to belong to you.

I was right.....

Give it a rest, mmkay?

[Leme]

19. Maybe what you call center-left Democrats are Republican ?

Just because "Democrats" are now "Republicans" does not mean does not mean the left has to accept them.
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Being left of most of the current set of Democrats still makes one a Republican at times. Look who pays them for their votes.

[Electric Monk]

33. Lol wut?

[wyldwolf]

20. It isn't censorship but it's often factually challenged. I don't blame you for being annoyed.

And, really, it isn't the policies I disagree with, it's the bomb throwing and them threatening to take hostages. Just know that until this super top secret 'progressive' electorate they swear exists decides to show themselves, DU's echo chamber is nothing but an extremely loud but incredibly small minority within the Democratic party.

[winter is coming]

27. Progressives: flexible enough to be derided as an "incredibly small minority" before the election,

large enough to be endlessly blamed for losses after the election.

[wyldwolf]

32. Endlessly blamed like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4967786

Shall I post more examples?

[winter is coming]

40. Knock yourself out. Does nothing to alter the fact that you're dissing progressives as an

irrelevant minority. Fine, we're irrelevant to you. That means there will be no need to belligerently demand our support, right? Or to blame us when Dems lose?

[wyldwolf]

43. It's that old "progressive" thing...

... Progressives feel it's their duty to trash Democrats but are absolutely appalled when they get it back.

[winter is coming]

58. 0 for 2, but thanks for playing.

I'd say that progressives feel it's their duty to advocate progressive policies and criticize policies they believe are damaging. That's not the same thing as criticizing someone for the sake of trashing Dems and if you looked more closely, you'd see that there are a fair few people on this board who aren't happy with the Dem leadership but who don't believe they eat live babies, or even dead ones.

Nor are the progressives I know "appalled" by criticism. In my experience, they're resigned to it. That doesn't mean they'll leap up with gladness to support politicians who have dismissed their concerns in the past and will likely do so in the future.

[wyldwolf]

63. ah yes, the old "thanks for playing" routine

...used when you really have no recourse.

I'd say that progressives feel it's their duty to advocate progressive policies

... in an 'our way of the highways all or nothing slash and burn' kind of way. The left's Tea Party.

[winter is coming]

67. Yeah, I had no recourse, which is why I wrote additional paragraphs.

And that you characterize progressives as the left's Tea Party? Yeah, that's not prejudiced at all. Progressive Dems have supported Dem candidates for years, and still do so. Progressives aren't some astroturf group that's sprung up on the fringe of a political party. It's a portion of the Democratic party that has remained in place while the party leadership keeps sidling to the right, becoming ever more Republican.

[wyldwolf]

71. which amounted to the same old same old

All of this wailing and gnashing of teeth from DU's "progressives" is because of Hillary's rise in the polls. Ya'll just love to pick the scabs off that sore.

[winter is coming]

74. I have no idea where that non sequitur came from.

I don't appreciate seeing "progressives" in quotes, either. If you'd like to cling to the mistaken belief that DU progressives are trolls or crypto-Republicans or paid shills or whatever other bullshit notion you've got, be my guest, but it reminds me of a toddler clutching his blankie.

I'm done with you.

[wyldwolf]

79. It isn't a non sequitur

The rise in the shrill "progressive" whining of late coincides with the national and Florida polls showing Hillary Clinton leading the dem-nom field and winning against any GOP challenger.

I'm done with you.

Sure you are.

[Raksha]

39. It gets pretty tiresome. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

26. Can you provide some examples of "anti-democrat censorship by the extreme left"?

Pretty please?

[countryjake]

28. It hurts even more...

when someone tries to gripe at DU members for being undemocratic, while using the word "Democrat" as an adjective.

[winter is coming]

31. Yeah, my sides are killing me. n/t

[countryjake]

96. I sure hope Comrade Skinner gets a chance to see this...

so he will know that the jig is up.

All of those activist far-left juries have been discovered!

[winter is coming]

29. Censorship? Could you give an example, please? n/t

[Trajan]

34. says the interloping Gungeonite who espouses RW talking points

What more need be said ? ...

[billh58]

37. +100 n/t

[RedCappedBandit]

35. Good joke

[MannyGoldstein]

36. You owe me a new keyboard.

Got me.

[DemocraticWing]

41. Nobody is censoring you.

You've gotta learn how to handle people not agreeing with you.

[Nye Bevan]

42. I am considered centrist on economic issues

and my most recent hidden post was last October. So I question the premise of your post.

[AverageJoe90]

64. My most recent hidden post was just a couple of weeks ago.....

Because I lost my patience with a troll and told him to get off his high horse. Which was hardly objectionable, and yet a Jury hid it. So I'm not so sure I'd agree with you 100%.

[JJChambers]

68. That's the problem with the system

Posts that shouldn't be hidden are, and posts that should be aren't, because people abuse the system. We end up with censorship and trolling via juries.

[ananda]

48. LOL

Typical rightwing trollism.

Redflag word: democrat used as an adjective.

[NightWatcher]

51. yall have fun over there yelling and screaming monosyllabic words at each other

Feel free to chat about Benghazi this and Hillary that.


Extreme left censorship, good one.

[Skittles]

53. aw you POOR THANG

get a life already

[villager]

56. What a stunning amount of projection for a single OP

Have fun on Discussionist!

[Mc Mike]

61. I can't figure out who you think is the 'extreme left' that is running things here.

Your sig line seems to peg you as fairly progressive. What type of activist is attacking you for being too centrist?

[JJChambers]

76. Social issues I'm far left, others I'm center

I'm a typical Democrat. Like many here who are threatened, bullied or have their posts hidden because they dare question or provide an alternative, but still a Democratic, view.

[Starry Messenger]

62. You're not center-left though.

You're a Republican. Toddle on now.

[JJChambers]

66. Apparently I have upset some feelings and have been instructed to delete this thread.

ucrdem
Hi JJChambers,

Re your thread in GD: I don't think it's going to end well and GD hosts are probably going to have to step in and lock it soon, so this would be a good chance to self delete if you're so inclined. But otherwise it's most likely going to get locked in a few minutes, thank you.

ucrdem ( GD host)

Wow.

[ucrdem]

69. We'd love to keep it

but the GD SOP says "No whining about DU." Skinner elsewhere says:

It's okay to permit a little meta-discussion or off-topic stuff in any forum or group -- as long as it is good-natured, non-disruptive, and does not serve to overwhelm the group or distract from its primary purpose.

But this OP doesn't seem to qualify for that exception. So my advice would be to self-delete.

[JJChambers]

81. There are several threads about how terrible discussionist is

This thread attempts to explain to some why discussionist resonates with advocates of healthy political discussion, which has been so stifled here.

[ucrdem]

83. That's true, but the GD SOP doesn't mention the Discussionist,

and admins haven't stepped in or advised, so GD hosts really have no cause to lock them, although juries might. GD hosts have very limited jurisdiction and unfortunately this OP falls within it.

[hrmjustin]

84. Your thread is complaining about DU though.

[TBF]

70. Where in the world is the "far left"?

Seriously. I can count the communists I know on two hands and not many of them are allowed to post here.

[hootinholler]

72. DaFuck? Is this opposite day?

Links or it didn't happen.

[LiberalElite]

78. There IS an "extreme left"??? THEN

There IS a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless you mean "extreme left" like the GOP means it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

85. Gosh, if you're going to Red Bait, try "Commie", "Pinko", "unAmerican", "traitor", "peacenik",

"Hippie", or "outside agitator".

"Extreme Left" is kind of a mild way of saying the same things.

[ancianita]

86. You've only served on fourteen juries. Are you sure you have enough experience to claim this?

I really find this hard to believe, being a far-left jurist for the last three years.

[mokawanis]

88. There's a lot of talk about DU on Discussionist

eight brazillion things to talk about and people on Discussionist want to talk about DU. This place must really get under their skin.

[JJChambers]

89. There's a lot of talk on DU about Discussionist, too.

Or haven't you noticed? Does Discussionist get under the skin of folks here?

[mokawanis]

93. It would appear that it does

and I don't know why. There's tons of content on DIscussionist that I don't agree with, but I knew it would be that way. It was never intended to be DU2.

[4now]

92. Wow I see what he means

Boy you sure jumped on him.

[ucrdem]

95. Locking, sorry about that.

Consensus of DU hosts is that OP is whining about DU. Thanks for understanding.