OH SHIT...Elizabeth Warren just praised Obamacare

[Cali_Democrat]

See here----->>>http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024981118

What the hell is wrong with her? Doesn't she know that it's nothing more than a scheme Barack Hussein Obama created to enrich wealthy insurance companies at the expense of poor people?

Maybe she needs to read DU more often. I'm going to shoot her an email encouraging her to setup an account here so she can be educated by the denizens of DU.

Looks like even liberal senators like Elizabeth Warren need to be educated by the liberal purity brigade.

Class is now in session....

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. Ready for the fracas

[lamp_shade]

3. Scootch over a little...

[JDPriestly]

20. Of course, Elizabeth Warren supports the ACA. She supports the middle class and

the poor as well as a healthy, fair economy. The ACA is precisely the kind of program she supports -- a healthier economy that is fair to all, investment in infrastructure, unions, opportunity for all.

If you read her book, "A Fighting Chance," you, too would probably like her.

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. We all like her! Everyone here likes her.....

she is just not running for President...

[JDPriestly]

27. We are working to change that. I hope she does run. I'd support Bernie Sanders

too. If either one or both run, I will support them, but I will neither support nor vote ever again for a president who will appoint the likes of Timothy Geithner or Larry Summer or anyone with their world views to lead or support their financial team. That was utterly shameful.

At a time when we as a people should have been called to work together to deal with the severe financial misdeeds of the bankers, mortgage brokers and certain insurance companies, the government aided the banks, mortgage companies and insurance companies -- the financial sector -- and left ordinary Americans on Main Street behind.

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders were two of very few in the leadership of America who spoke out to protest the wrongs that were being done, the mistakes that were being made.

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have, in my opinion, two different approaches to economics and government, but both would put ordinary Americans' interests before those of the 1%. That would be quite a change, a change we need.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. she doesn't want to....why do you think she is a liar?

I like and respect her and I don't...I take her word for it. Perhaps because she is female you don't think she knows what she wants?

[JDPriestly]

31. Read her book.

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. I have the audio version AND I have seen the video where she said

"I am not running for President" and she repeated it three times. Do you still think she is a liar and doesn't know what she wants?

[Vattel]

97. Obama said that he wasn't running and look what happened

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. He didn't REPEATEDLY and vehemently say so as she does in that video!

sorry....

and are you admitting that you think Elizabeth Warren is only as honest as Barack Obama?

[Vattel]

103. lol, I hope she is more homest than that

[VanillaRhapsody]

105. then maybe you need to rethink this position you have......

[Vattel]

106. um, what position is that?

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. that EW doesn't know her own mind....cannot make it up and or is as honest as Barack Obama!

[Vattel]

110. Would it be bad if she changed her mind and decided to run?

I don't think so. If she is lying about not running (which I doubt) that would concern me, but it would not show that she is as dishonest as Obama.

[VanillaRhapsody]

112. Why would she? She has spoken at length...

but but but "Obama said he wasn't running". See that would make her dishonest too....Either you believe she is honest or you don't. Simple as that. I respect her decision.....she used the phrase SOOO vehemently BECAUSE she is tired of people repeatedly asking her.....its becoming a pain in her ass!

Leave Elizabeth Warren alone....she seems to be a woman that is perfectly capable of knowing her own mind to me...that is why I am respecting her decision. So should you...

[Vattel]

117. Why would she change her mind? Idk. Maybe because enough people urge her to run

that she reconsiders. I guess I am having a hard time seeing what your point is supposed to be.

[VanillaRhapsody]

128. Why would that change the mind of a woman who knows what SHE wants is....

see that is just it....what she wants is for everyone like you to accept her response....she isn't interested and it has everything to do with HER and nothing to do with you....

Being asked to constantly second guess herself.... she is getting pissed off! You could hear it in her response.....she wants to be discussing OTHER things rather than that! What she wants....is for everyone to just move on....she has other important fish to fry.

She is not waiting for some special invitation to run.....she isn't interested in being your hero....

[Vattel]

133. lol I am glad you are so sensitive to her wants and needs

[VanillaRhapsody]

152. Yes I am....that is called having the ability to empathize....

[HangOnKids]

168. Who said anything about a hero?

Why you! Your twister semantics are quite amusing. Is that your definition of empathy?

[VanillaRhapsody]

184. No semantic twisting required.....

My definition is understanding how someone else feels....

Full Definition of EMPATHY

1
: the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it
2
: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

You have a better definition than Websters?

[HangOnKids]

185. You're special

[DonViejo]

2. oy....

[Kingofalldems]

4. She's a good, loyal Democrat.

Proud of her and Hillary.

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. Yep and I would gladly vote for her should she ever win the Democratic Primary for Pres.

but she said she is not running.....and as another good loyal Democrat, I accept her statement and look forward to voting for whomever does...

[Louisiana1976]

40. +1

[bravenak]

5. She's so smart.

I love her to death.

[frazzled]

6. Not to mention that she

voted today in favor of that evil corporatist banker and Zionist Stanley Fischer to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. Off to re-education camp with her!

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Has anyone ever seen Warren and Obama in the same place at the same time?

I'm working on a theory that they're the same person. I can see no difference between them, whatsoever, that a good make-up artist couldn't make happen.

[randys1]

9. Oh , sarcasm...got it

Yeah, Obama didnt create it at all, but once it was clear he could not get a bill through without including profits for health insurance criminals, he adopted the rightwing Heritage Foundation individual mandate plan.

ACA would be loved by all who now hate it if it had been introduced by a rigthwinger...which it would have been eventually

I for one want to make sure I dont miss an opportunity to slam Obama for not resolving 200 + years of white man created problems in 6 yrs, what is wrong with him?

[Enrique]

10. Bernie Sanders has praised it

he called it a good moderate Republican program.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. ...and then he voted for it....

[Enrique]

17. yes, several years ago

Many progressives including myself decided that the moderate Republican health reform was better than the status quo.

And I'd be very surprised if Warren hasn't praised Obamacare a number of times before now. So there is no reason for anyone to be shocked by what she is saying now.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. except for those on DU who seem to think she is Left of Bernie Sanders....

[iamthebandfanman]

67. Shhhhh

id imagine almost all people could and did recognize that the status quo was unsustainable...
20% of GDP by 2021... that's all the numbers ya need to know that...

that was something most people agreed with even back in the 90s when they had this argument over health care...

how anyone could say its not an improvement , I wouldn't know...

but I wouldn't imagine anyone saying it was the 'best' option except those who championed it in the 90s... lol
tho they did cripple the law by stripping the mandate for expanded Medicaid...


it IS possible to think something is a right step .. but not far enough. no matter how many people some folks want to list

[bvar22]

66. Yep.

Just like voting for the Lesser of the Evils in a National Election.
The ACA has some good components,
and more people WILL have health Insurance,
but the cost is abominable.
Enshrining and codifying the the predatory, for profit, Health Insurance Industry as the gateway to Health care in America is an anathema to any FDR/LBJ Democrat.
We are going to be stuck with these blood suckers skimming their 15% off of our Tax Dollars for a LONG time.

I would have voted for it too,
while holding my nose.

[ProSense]

14. Bernie Sanders:

Ted Cruz's Worst Nightmare Is Coming True: Obamacare is working.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024859956

[Cha]

18. Whatever.. it's working and it's what was passable at that time. And, a Good Solid Foundation

for even better health coverage for Americans. So, people can whine all they want.. President Obama got Progress in spite of them.

[JDPriestly]

25. Yes. And, of course, Elizabeth Warren likes it. If the Elizabeth Warren haters

read her book, they would love her. She is not an extremist. She is simply fair and straightforward. She can do the math.

Unfortunately, Obama seems to have a bit of trouble doing the math for himself, and the folks he hired to do it for him all seem to have ties to the banks. Elizabeth Warren studied bankruptcy and personal finance for many years. She understands what is going on in American families and how the banks and financial sector are exploiting it.

Again, read her book, A Fighting Chance. That's what she wants to give ordinary Americans -- a fighting chance. The ACA is part of giving Americans a fighting chance.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. there are no Elizabeth Warren haters on DU...

there are just realists who respect her wishes and think she doesn't tell lies...

[joshcryer]

38. "bit of trouble doing the math"

Oh, yes, Obama, a black man, has a bit of trouble doing the math. Takes a white woman to do it.

Face it, Warren is a politican, and if it weren't for Obama pushing her she would still be a nobody. He was the one who urged her to accept the appointment which allowed her to run for senate.

[JDPriestly]

50. Bush couldn't do the math either. Doing math has nothing to do with

race or gender. Larry Summers is the one who didn't think women could do math. He should meet some of the women in my family. They do the math.

Math is not a race or gender talent.

I have a daughter who is extremely good at math. It's the basis for her career.

Based on my experience with her, I think that math ability is correlated to stubbornness. Sticking to solving a problem until the end is the key to success in math.

I can be good at math, but I can be awful at it.

Neil deGrasse Tyson disproves any illusions about the ability of black men and math. We need to teach all our kids to be stubborn enough to stick to math problems until they "get it."

Start counting with children when they are very, very young. I started with mine before they were a year old. They need to hear the numbers even more often than they hear their names. And don't be too rough on them when they are stubborn. It's our stubborn streaks that help us learn. We repeat things over and over and insist on repeating them, and that is how we learn. Read the same book over and over to a child. That's how the child learns.

I don't mean to preach to you. I'm sure you already know this. But maybe someone who needs to know it will read it.

Thanks. Sorry if you thought I was suggesting that Obama's math problems were based on race. Please don't forget that Obama's failings cannot be blamed on African-Americans. His white mother was about my age. I look at him as if he could be my son. Maybe that is why I am tough on him at time. His mother would be tough on him about some things, I suspect.

[joshcryer]

57. I didn't think you intended that.

It just struck me that a sitting president can't do the math and it takes someone else who didn't even have political ambitions to do it for him.

Obama knows what he's doing and it fits his rhetoric. It is intentional, not ignorant. Obama has no intention of going after the bankers of going after wall street.

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. He also said we MUST defend it....

[bullwinkle428]

11. Good, maybe she can talk some sense into Michelle Nunn on this one.

http://www.esquire.com/_mobile/blogs/politics/michelle-nunn-obamacare-051914

[iandhr]

13. Don't worry

That will be the top reced diary tomorrow.


I can't say who will right it for TOS reasons. Though some people need to be called out.

[ProSense]

15. Thanks. n/t

[Cha]

16. People push that meme on DU? Sounds like ODS to me.

[Enrique]

19. she supported it during her campaign

Remember she ran for office against Scott Brown?

maybe you don't know anything about Sen. Warren's positions

June 28, 2012:

http://elizabethwarren.com/blog/scott-brown-obamacare-is-bad-law

The Affordable Care Act isn't about politics. It's about making sure people with cancer or heart disease can get health insurance. It's about stopping discrimination against women and people with pre-existing conditions. It's about ending lifetime insurance caps, and closing the donut hole for seniors' prescription drugs.

Every American deserves access to quality, affordable health care.

So tell us, Senator Brown:

Why do you want to repeal a law that closes the donut hole so seniors can afford prescription drugs?
Why do you want to repeal a law that lets young people stay on their parents' insurance until age 26?
Why do you want to repeal a law that gives tax breaks to small businesses who provide health care to their employees?
And why do you want to repeal a law that prevents insurance companies from discriminating against women?
Massachusetts led the way in health reform, and we will continue to lead to reduce health care costs and ensure a level playing field for middle class families -- whether Scott Brown likes it or not.

[Phlem]

61. selective memory.

[Prophet 451]

21. The ACA is a good start

Long-term, you guys urgently need a proper national healthcare system.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. Oh, Elizabeth, now you've done it! You're a "Third Way" "Corporatist" "Sellout" to the Ins. Co's.

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. EXACTLY.....you nailed it!

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. Have you noticed how much energy is spent trying to pit EW against BHO on this site? It's not....

only ridiculous, but it's self-defeating, and does nothing to advance the goal of "Electing More Democrats".

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. Yes I have noticed.....very much so....still can't believe their are "Democrats" on this site

that begrudge other Democrats for support of the Democratic President!

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. Well, one would have to actually "believe" they're "Democrats".

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. true....that is why I used the proverbial "air quotes" after I typed it....

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. Agreed! nt

[freshwest]

139. Both parties (Dems and Repukes) are the same = Libertarian talking point. That's the logic they use.

PeaceNikki also made a good point in this locked thread, here is her post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022659329#post2

The cheering for the OP didn't last long as EarlG decided it was... whatever.

[Tarheel_Dem]

143. They've been trying to change the mission of this board for quite some time.

I sincerely hope they'll make much more frequent use of Discussionist, and leave DU alone. The locking of that disgrace of a thread is a good indication that the rules here will remain the same.

[freshwest]

145. Agree on both. Gotta run. Take care over there.

[sheshe2]

68. But but but....

They voted for him twice, twice I tell you! Then he betrayed them, he sorely betrayed them.

T_D

[Tarheel_Dem]

69. And if anybody still believes that, Chris Christie's got a "bridge" to sell 'em.

[Number23]

144. Yeah, I get the feeling there were a couple of Ron Paul/Cynthia McKinney write ins from that crowd

The folks that scream "PRINCIPLES OVER PARTY!!!1" all damn day and night, I'm truly supposed to believe that they hate this president and the Dem party so much but yet they STILL VOTED FOR HIM/THEM??!

Nah. Not buying it. Either hypocrites or fibbers. And neither of those are a good look.

[Tarheel_Dem]

147. I'll take "both" for $250, Alex. When the man can't do anything to satisfy them,

EVER, I'm guessing there's another agenda afoot.

[treestar]

76. Yeah because EW is going to fight for us unlike POTUS!

FIGHT!!!!!

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. You assume too much when you state ...

the goal of those doing the pitting has anything to do with electing more Democrats.

[Tarheel_Dem]

125. Not my assumption. It's the stated mission of this site. I, on the other hand, know....

exactly what "their goal" is.

[msanthrope]

159. Ratfucking 101. nt

[joshcryer]

48. Actually, she is no more liberal than third way Udall.

So, well, you jest, but she is hardly a flaming liberal.

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. Well, we know that. But it can't have escaped you how much energy is expended here telling us....

different. Frequently, those who support Warren, do so when contrasting her to the evil Obama.

[freshwest]

111. Tarheel Dem, you beat me to the bus! Dang, it's getting crowded under here:

Obama says:

Not Elizabeth, too!

[Tarheel_Dem]

126. Sorry about that, but I love that damn graphic!!!

[freshwest]

135. No sorry needed! I love it so much that I'm uh, 'appropriating' it for later use!

But her support team hasn't shown up yet, have they?

Alas, poor Warren, I don't know if she'd do well here at DU.

Love her so much. PBO was a genius to talk her into serving in D.C.

[Submariner]

28. This all a distraction to avoid talking about Benghazi n/t

[Louisiana1976]

44. .......

[randys1]

55. Yes because lord knows Benghazi is the pressing issue of the day

I wonder why the 11 George W Bush Benghazi's werent

[FrodosPet]

63. Benghazi? Isn't that a back cream for National Socialists?

Or maybe they have other uses for it that they just don't want to talk about in polite company?

[riqster]

201. DUzy!

Ben Ghazi back cream, genius!

[frylock]

32. ah gee a second call out thread shitting on progressives..

charming. GOTVDERP!

[Whisp]

58. it's just a tiny pile compared to the shitting on the President here for years.

just get nose plugs.

[Phlem]

62. +1

[treestar]

78. EW just did that

by praising that Third Way Corporatist ACA!

[Whisp]

104. I've read many times here that Obama just wants the insurance companies to make

more money and fuck everyone else.

so what's with the whatever you are doing?

[G_j]

35. people who come to forums

for no other reason but to argue... produce nothing, accomplish nothing...
Who here says "Barack Hussein Obama"? Nobody. Your post is purely meant to stir up shit. Maybe you can get away with it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't diminish DU and make it suck.
just sayin'...

[Capt. Obvious]

37. One note

[think]

41. A Democratic politician supporting the ACA. Shocking

[raindaddy]

42. Om.... Obamacare

If you repeat Obamacare, Obamacare. Obamacare, over and over it acts like a mantra and you eventually forget about NSA spying, secret corporate giveaway trade agreements, Wall Street cronyism, internet freedom, transparency, etc, etc.....

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. and I am sure a President Warren could single-handedly fix all of those virtually overnight!

[sheshe2]

70. Well of course she can.

She too will have that magic wand to change all the evils, no congress needed.

I love EW and she is my Senator from Mass. She will do a hell of a lot of damage to the GOP and banksta's as Senator! She is in her element there and she knows it!

VR

[Whisp]

80. and if she doesn't use that magic wand effectively enough

or fast enough, or if she doesn't know magic well enough, why she'd be a Bush in lickety split time! first 100 days, she'd be Bushed by the purist club if she doesn't overturn the historic evils and inequities of the country and the world.

[sheshe2]

81. You got that right Whisp~

It will be like so many others...

[freshwest]

137. It'll be bad, bad! See my reply above:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024982793#post111

[raindaddy]

141. If all it takes is a magic wand to act like a Democrat maybe someone should've bought one for Obama.

If Warren becomes President it'll be interesting if she can keep herself from appointing RW corporate and Wall Street hack insiders to her administration. I'm sure the temptation will be almost unbearable. And it'll definitely take a "magic wand" to refrain from fast tracking secret corporate giveaway trade deals through congress or protecting Bush tax cuts for the rich.
And then there's the "historic evils" like keeping your administration from spying on your own people...

[treestar]

77. She will punch Boner in the nose

And then he will vote for single payer!

[djean111]

130. I am not sure a President Clinton would find anything wrong with that list, much less try to fix

anything on it.
That is the issue; jeering at Warren supporters is pointless.
Even if Warren quits politics altogether, Hillary, I believe, has all the enthusiasm she is ever going to get here.

[VanillaRhapsody]

131. I don't think so.....the closer to the election we get the more support there will be....

the Griefers are going to grief though...

[djean111]

149. Again.....

NSA spying, secret corporate giveaway trade agreements, Wall Street cronyism, internet freedom, transparency, etc, etc.....

These are the issues.
I think Hillary is/will be fine with all of them.
Singling out Warren does not change this.

Also, in regard to Warren saying something nice about the ACA or whatever - Warren supporters are embracing the advice that is condescendingly tossed at us when we criticize anything Obama does or express dissatisfaction with a Clinton coronation -

we are not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Don't think actual ENTHUSIASM will increase one little bit - just a resigned lesser evil thing will be more likely.
We already know an awful lot about Hilllary, nothing can change that, and faux-populist campaign blather is no longer convincing. Another candidate kinda spoiled that little tactic..

[VanillaRhapsody]

150. and WTH makes you think that?

You seem to think that Americans (and even DU) are mostly aligned with you....

By the way....those Hillary Clinton high approval ratings.....highest anyone has ever recorded this far out from a Presidential election....Unprecedented. Do you suppose those high approval numbers are all Republicans?

[djean111]

153. I have my opinion, and you have yours, both opinions are subjective.

High approval numbers this far out? Name recognition or whatever. Why do you think high approval ratings will make people who dislike Hillary as a prez candidate more enthusiastic? Not sheeple or whatever. Not at DU, anyway.
In any event, if Hillary is such a shoo-in, why are there so many anti-Warren threads? And yay! Hillary! threads?
And I am speaking of enthusiasm here at DU, not all Americans.

Also - NSA spying, secret corporate giveaway trade agreements, Wall Street cronyism, internet freedom, transparency, etc, etc..... still wrong, and again, no evidence that Hillary is against any of these, plus she helped write the TPP and is shilling it.
Deeds, not words.

[VanillaRhapsody]

156. except my "opinion" is backed with data.....

the high approval ratings.....

[djean111]

157. So, you honestly believe disapproval of, say, the TPP can be erased with high general approval

ratings, here at DU? Disapproval of NSA spying, secret corporate giveaway trade agreements, Wall Street cronyism, internet freedom, transparency, etc, etc.....will be swept away be a 2 years out general approval rating, here at DU?

[VanillaRhapsody]

158. So you honestly think that is the ONLY issue worthy of consideration?

Apparently the American public disagrees....

[djean111]

163. NSA spying, secret corporate giveaway trade agreements, Wall Street cronyism, internet freedom,

transparency, etc, etc.....
That's five issues.

The Clintons seem to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wall Street.
A little less than half of the American public voted for Mittens and Bush.
"The American public" is a bit too broad of a brush, or perhaps a bit grandiose, IMO.

Also, I originally was speaking of enthusiasm for Hillary here at DU, not "The American Public".

[VanillaRhapsody]

164. And enthusiasm for the Democrat to win will by HUGE even on DU....

Here is Hillary's positions on Free Trade...

Have a trade prosecutor to enforce the trade agreements. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: Supported NAFTA in 1998; opposed CAFTA since 2005. (Jan 2008)
Criticized trade pacts for weak labor standards. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: for NAFTA while First Lady; now against CAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Export from big agribusiness, but also from small farmers. (Aug 2007)
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers. (Aug 2007)
No fast-track authority for this president. (Aug 2007)
Better approach: real trade adjustment assistance. (Aug 2007)
End tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. (Jun 2007)
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India. (Oct 2005)
Globalization should not substitute for humanization. (Jun 1999)
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights. (Oct 2000)
Voting Record

Though Bill supported it, Hillary opposed NAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Voted against CAFTA despite Bill Clinton’s pushing NAFTA. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Build a rule-based global trading system. (Aug 2000)
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)
Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy. (Jun 2007)

[VanillaRhapsody]

165. Apparently you need a refresher course on Democrats...especially on DU

Here is Hillary Clintons record on Corporations..

Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Angry at unacceptable acquiescence to greed in the 1980s. (Jun 1994)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

I for one won't stand by and let Bullshit memes continue against the Democratic frontrunner!

[VanillaRhapsody]

166. and furthermore...

Hillary Clinton on the Economy...

Government action to tackle recession, not tax cuts. (Feb 2008)
The economy is not working for middle class families. (Jan 2008)
We need immediate relief for home heating & housing crisis. (Jan 2008)
No evidence as to how Obama would pay for new programs. (Jan 2008)
Foreclosure moratorium mitigates agony; doesn’t prolong it. (Jan 2008)
90-day moratorium on foreclosures; freeze interest rates. (Jan 2008)
Call for a moratorium on housing foreclosures for 90 days. (Jan 2008)
Freeze mortgage interest rates for five years. (Jan 2008)
Look back to 1990s to see how I’d be fiscally responsible. (Dec 2007)
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks. (Aug 2007)
Balanced budget replaced with rising costs & falling wages. (Jun 2007)
2000: Eight years of a great economy is not enough. (Jan 2007)
Last six years were challenging; let’s try a new direction. (Oct 2006)
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005. (Oct 2006)
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium. (Oct 2000)
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)
Stimulate upstate economy by more local decision-making. (Sep 2000)
Supports Niagara casino, but prefers job creation strategy. (Sep 2000)
Protect next generation by paying off national debt. (Aug 2000)
We have outlived the usefulness of Bretton Woods. (Jun 1999)
The economy creates consumers but cannot create citizens. (Jun 1999)
Invest in people instead of “smokestack chasing”. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record

Voted to limit credit card interest to 30%. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Consistently against making bankruptcy stricter. (Jan 2008)
2005 bankruptcy bill was by big credit cards & lenders. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. (Dec 2007)
Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy. (Feb 2008)

[VanillaRhapsody]

167. and also....

Get tough with energy speculators and with OPEC cartel. (May 2008)
Gas tax holiday, paid for by windfall oil tax. (May 2008)
GovWatch: Gas tax holiday saves $8B; but that’s 64 cents/day. (May 2008)
Investigate gas price manipulation; add windfall profits tax. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, FTC is investigating gas price manipulation. (Apr 2008)
Cap-and-trade as president; compact fluorescents at home. (Apr 2008)
$650 for help with energy bills to those who can’t afford it. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Oil & gas giveaways stripped from final 2005 Bill. (Jan 2008)
Investigate & move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Oct 2007)
Opposes Yucca Mountain; earthquake fault goes under it. (Sep 2007)
Led delegation, with McCain, to see effects of polar warming. (Sep 2007)
Invest in alternative energy; jobs that won’t be outsourced. (Aug 2007)
End Big Oil tax break; $50 billion for strategic energy fund. (Jul 2007)
Agnostic about nuclear power until waste & cost issue solved. (Jul 2007)
FactCheck: There was no Big Oil tax break under Bush-Cheney. (Jul 2007)
Energy Independence 2020: $50B for Strategic Energy Fund. (Jun 2007)
Extensive funding into alternative energy. (Jun 2007)
Will make big oil fund alternative energy research. (Feb 2007)
$50B strategic energy fund from taxing oil companies. (Oct 2006)
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us. (Jun 2006)
Need to move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Jan 2006)
Supports oil reserve release & fund conservation. (Oct 2000)
Voting Record

Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)


You were saying?

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. Maybe ... Maybe no ...

But at least those canting will be alive to repeat it.

Understand those with untreated illnesses, empty bellies and/or struggling to keep a roof over their head really don't give a sh!t about NSA spying, secret corporate giveaway trade agreements, Wall Street cronyism, internet freedom, transparency, etc, etc.....

And I, as one with healthcare and food in my pantry and a stable roof, care far less about any of that, so long as there a people that don't have healthcare and food in their pantry and a stable roof.

But then, I'm not a proper progressive.

[Bobbie Jo]

101. and don't forget Benghazi....

[SammyWinstonJack]

179. heh.

[sulphurdunn]

45. A major reason

I worked for the Obama campaign in '08 was because he beat the drum hard for single payer universal health care. Then the single payer part was never even seriously proffered as part of the ACA, and only universal health care remained. He kept that much of his word. The problem was that he meant private universal health care for everyone, and I was thinking public universal health care. Barack never made the distinction, and I lacked the sophistication to catch the deception, because I wanted to believe.

[BklnDem75]

60. When did President Obama beat the drum hard for single payer or universal health care?

How can you claim to be deceived if you can't even remember he was aiming for a Public Option?

[sulphurdunn]

64. Climb out of the memory hole

and put your Obama prayer beads down.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/82370-flashback-barack-obama-promotes-single-payer-universal-healthcare/

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/82370-flashback-barack-obama-promotes-single-payer-universal-healthcare/

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1849138_1849551_1849929,00.html

The public option was part of the whole single payer charade. One needs to be incredibly naive to think that the president didn't know how all this would play out.

[BklnDem75]

65. That was an address he made in 2003 as a state senator

Did he campaign on Single Payer? Was he trying to rebuild the entire healthcare system from scratch? Promoting something 5 years before is far from 'beating the drums hard' for Single Payer. Try again.

[Tarheel_Dem]

138. I don't know what "beads" you're praying with, but you pulled that out of the "way back"

machine. You should go & try again. 2003 & 2008 are very different years, but I can see how you could make that mistake.

[sulphurdunn]

195. Yea, that was like

so 5 years before, a different epoch. Who could reasonable expect a politician to hold the same position on policy after such a vast expanse of time, especially a DLC democrat? Even so, I stand corrected as a matter of fact. I should have researched his speeches better before I campaigned for him. That, however, doesn't change my belief that he's just another corporatist who was elected by masquerading as a progressive. You'll see the same pitch when Hillary runs, and you'll probably pull your adoration beads out of from where the sun never shines and worship again.

[Tarheel_Dem]

196. Only you know if you actually "campaigned for him". I'll take your word for it.

In any event, sounds like you heard what you wanted to hear. The fact that you think he ran as some fire-breathing liberal is in your head, along with a lot of other nonsense.

It was debated here, endlessly, that Obama & Hillary were almost identical on policy matters, with the glaring exception of the Iraq war. So, since you don't seem to know the difference between 2003 & 2008, I'm not at all surprised that you might have missed that. You, not so smoothly, tried to leave the impression that he ran on single payer, and now you're "disappointed". Nice try.

Sounds like your beads, as well as your head were occupying the same dark space you now accuse me of. Knowing the obvious trouble you have with numbers, it's not so far fetched to extrapolate that you probably have the same confusion with facts. Either that, or you just make shit up as you go along. Revising history is so cool.

Oh, and too!

[sulphurdunn]

198. The trouble

with smarmy a-holes like you is that they always manage to offend but rarely persuade. I'm not certain when this discussion ceased being about the original topic and became about me, but it did. It might be due to a lack of character, but don't take my word for it. Ask someone who actually knows you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

200. Don't be miffed. I mean, you were the one out there "campaigning for him", obviously without......

knowing what his actual platform was. Now that the limb you climbed out on has been unceremoniously cut right from under you, you resort to namecalling? And trust me, after that faux pas, I'll never "take your word" for ANYTHING. This became about you as soon as I saw that you either: (a) have trouble distinguishing dates; (b) you make shit up; or (c) never knew what the hell you were talking about in the first place. I know which which one I'm going with.

So, from one "smarmy asshole" to another, I have to go watch paint dry.

Quick! What year is it?

[Fred Sanders]

49. Congrats Cali_Democrat, by 3-4 you survived an overly sensitive alert.

No names of course, but " meh" was a comment in a vote to not hide your OP.

Hope I do not get alerted for this......meh.

[Scootaloo]

52. Hmmmm.

Can't you just make threads about Olive Garden or something, Cali_Democrat?

[SidDithers]

54. DU rec...

But I'm not sure we should believe her.

After all, that's only what she said, and may not be what she really means.

Sid

[Whisp]

56. she must be sharing the ill gotten loot from insurance companies...

that Obama gets on the side to his personal bank accounts and hands to her to talk up Obamacare.

lol.

what other possible reason could there be for her insanity?

[Fearless]

59. Your broad brush attacks are not warranted.

No one on DU has said that the ACA hasn't helped. Simply that it can be better with some tweaks... Such as a public not-for-profit option.

[Capt. Obvious]

72. YOU NEVER LIKED OBAMA

[Fearless]

84. LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!1!

[MineralMan]

85. Well, that is not exactly true.

I recall some very strong words being used to condemn President Obama for ACA. I can't recall the exact phrasing, though. Perhaps someone else can, though.

[Fearless]

114. That is a very general statement.

Links?

[Capt. Obvious]

74. Careful

My last hidden post was for stating the obvious.

[Whisp]

123. seems the fapping was so frenzied ecstasy was spelled worng.

lol. at that link.

well, I didn't know what fapping meant, now I do. Is that supposed to be an onomatopoeia word?

[sheshe2]

127. OMG

Pitt got a hide!

[Whisp]

129. It appears so, and I'm quite surprised.

Fickleness, thy name is DU Jury.

[sheshe2]

140. ...

OMG my side is splitting~

[MineralMan]

79. Weak sauce, there, Mr. Pitt.

You can use much stronger language, I'm certain...

[G_j]

87. please don't

we don't need to see it quoted and repeated here a trillion times over...

[MineralMan]

89. Please don't what?

I merely commented that the fapping insult was weak.

[G_j]

91. actually I meant that for Will

as people like to quote certain things he says.. but it was also in jest, sorry for the confusion.

[MineralMan]

94. Ah, OK.

People often confuse me with Mr. Pitt.

[HangOnKids]

93. Take your show on the road MM

It is classic!

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. ou mine like the original fap fap fap ...

Fu@% you, you POS used car salesman thread on this very topic?

[Whisp]

96. can't wait for the POS used car saleswoman sequel. n/t

[tblue37]

108. I keep seeing posts with bizarre words caused by hyperactive predictive autocorrect.

I assume "ou mine" was originally typed as "You mean," before your hyperactive autocorrect function got hold of it.

I saw a post on another thread in which "such a case of abuse" was turned into "sushi case of abuse"!

I have only recently realized how many weirdly worded emails I have sent out, knowing I typed the words I intended to say, but not realizing that autocorrect went all predictive on me and transformed my words into something quite other than I intended. For example, In the subject heading of one recent email, my reference to my daughters "most recent award" was turned into "most recent wayward."

In this very post, I had two words mangled--one twice--by autocorrect. The clause "autocorrect went all predictive on me" was turned into "autocorrect went all predictive on my," and the phrase "most recent award" was twice turned into "most rent award." I corrected the first one, and autocorrect changed it to "rent" a second time! I finally typed it into a "Word" document and copy-pasted the correct word.

I now double-check everything I type online--but I still miss some sneaky "corrections"!

[sheshe2]

98. Oh Will...

As you would say...DERP!

[sheshe2]

73. On my!

I luv ya Cali_Democrat! You go girl~

[HangOnKids]

86. Claims to be Male in his profile

But go on with your self she.....

[sheshe2]

99. I stand corrected.

And I must say it is wonderful to see you again...

[HangOnKids]

118. How sweet

I do have a life and can not post all day long every day, so thanks for remembering me.

[sheshe2]

119. You make a deep long lasting impression.

Not exactly a pretty one.

[HangOnKids]

120. You the boss now?

I am LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

[sheshe2]

121. Just stating my opinion...

That makes me the boss????

What is with you?

[HangOnKids]

122. You post about me in a very negative way

As if you know it all and you want to know what is with me? Trying to bait and catch so you can run to alert. Sorry Charlie your bait sucks.

[sheshe2]

124. Nope.

I have made one or two alerts. Not my habit. Nor do I bait to alert.

I only remember our last conversation to be rather nasty. You are not real sweet to me either.

So have a great evening, over and out.

[HangOnKids]

134. Our last conversation has nothing to do with this one

Your flag is flying sheshe.

[Puglover]

161. I would simply be astounded to see a post by any of these folks

simply giving kudos to President Obama and the Dems for doing something positive for the American people.

And not be subtly or in the case of this particular OP not so subtly designed to insult other DU members and start a damned flame fest.

That is oh so productive for our party.

I think it says buckets.

[Capt. Obvious]

170. It's just a game to them

They offer nothing at all to DU.

[Bobbie Jo]

173. lol

Now there's a classic pot/kettle moment.

[Bobbie Jo]

188. Geeeeze

Busy body much?

More PA nonsense. Lather, rinse, repeat, yawn.....

[rhett o rick]

189. Why wont you guys discuss fracking? I would think you'd have an opinion one way

or the other.

[Bobbie Jo]

191. WTF?

Start a fucking fracking thread, this ain't it.

And who the hell is "you guys?"

Since you seem to be keeping some kind of bizarre score, put me down for AGAINST.

If you spent as much time on ISSUES as you do hurling PA remarks about other DU'ers, you wouldn't have time to obsess on who is doing what around here.

Good Lord.

[rhett o rick]

192. Hey I am just curious why a very vocial group here seem to be boycotting these very important

issues.

[Bobbie Jo]

193. Sure you are.

[Capt. Obvious]

174. Case in point

[Bobbie Jo]

176. But that's just it....

you have no point, that is beyond demonstrating an uncanny immunity to the concept of irony.

No need for the PA nonsense, I'm right here. Feel free to insult me directly.

[MineralMan]

75. Elizabeth Warren is NOT Hillary!

That is all you need to know. Nothing else is relevant.

Sincerely,

Purity-way MineralManny

[think]

132. Or are they?

[Laelth]

160. No, indeed. She is not, and that's a VERY important distinction.

I hope you continue to post as Purity-way MineralManny. I like that persona.

Cheers!

-Laelth

[rhett o rick]

194. You are so right. Hillary embraces Wall Street esp Goldman Sachs-O-Gold.

Too bad for the 99%.

[KoKo]

83. What's all the fuss about...Of course she did...she is a Democrat...why is that a surprise?

[1StrongBlackMan]

92. Because she's not a DU Democrat ...

That would have no healthcare financing reform; rather than the ACA?

[Vattel]

100. Those DUers are very rare I think.

[1StrongBlackMan]

109. Not according to the posts ...

True no one said, "Nothing would be better than the ACA"; but plenty advocated expending political capital fighting for something that was never going to be.

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. BTW ...

How Vermont doing with installing its single-payer system ... surely it's operational by now!

[Capt. Obvious]

115. That sounds a bit like sarcasm

[1StrongBlackMan]

116. Who? From me? eom.

[RandySF]

113. To me, Obamacare is the first big step toward my goal of single-payer.

[Rex]

136. ...

[U4ikLefty]

142. Nobody's perfect.

[Scuba]

148. I've been accused here of being in the purity brigade, yet I've praised the ACA multiple times.

Those who are so afraid EW will end the conservative takeover of the Democratic Party should try to find a new way to smear those who object.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4259657

[djean111]

155. Oh, the purity thing only applies to liberals/Progressives. The irony is getting hilarious.

[winter is coming]

182. When I was a kid, I had a Chatty Cathy doll.

She had a small ring at the nape of her neck, attached to a string. Pull the string and the doll "talked".

She didn't really talk, of course. All she did was play back one of a small set of prerecorded phases, so her "response" had nothing to do with what I'd said.

Whenever I see some variation of "you've never said anything positive about the President", "bashing", "haters", "purity", "expect perfection", etc., I think of Chatty Cathy dolls.

[Scuba]

183. Is the perfect metaphor. Thanks.

[Puglover]

197. I think you do a diservice to

Chatty Cathy with that comparison.

[deutsey]

151. FFS

Trash

[Laelth]

154. Good. She followed my advice.

I have said, repeatedly, that the Democratic Party has no choice but to circle the wagons and defend the ACA. It may not be ideal, but it's better than what we had before, and I think we should both own it and defend it. Toward this end, I repeatedly invoked Harry Truman:

No apologizing for the ACA!

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

I did so here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4070143

and here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4108489

and here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4031083

and here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4031784

and here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024070134#post1

... and more that I don't care to list.

If you expect me to think less of Elizabeth Warren because she's doing precisely what I advised, you are barking up the wrong tree.



-Laelth

[Puglover]

177. Of course you did Laelth.

But the point of this OP is not to give kudos to Senator Warren.

The point is to take jabs at other DU members. Create acrimony while hiding behind "I love Obama and the Democrats more then anyone" mask.

It is so blatant.

Note the non response to your post by the OP.

[Laelth]

180. I did notice, yes.

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I almost launched a rebuttal thread this morning, but then I got busy with other matters. It might be useful to remind the party apparatchiks that when we criticize the government from the left, we mean well. Our intent is to inform and advise.

On the other hand ... that might not be useful.

-Laelth

[IronLionZion]

162. That corporate bankster! We must throw her and Bernie under the bus immediately

Continue to throw every democrat under the bus until there is no one left. Then things will be very pure.

[Hekate]

169. I got here late, but I brought more butter

[TBF]

172. You're pretty scared of Elizabeth aren't you -

it's because she is the only person out there who can beat Hillary (from either side).

[Progressive dog]

175. It must just be part of her strategy

to win the Democratic nomination, while claiming she isn't going to run for President.

[Rider3]

178. It's helping a lot of middle class people....

who weren't able to get any health insurance. She's for the average American. Vote for whomever you choose, of course, but I doubt they'll fight harder than Ms. Warren on topics that truly make a difference in a person's life.

[Marr]

181. I can never tell whether our conservative wing likes Warren or not.

They seems to have a tidal kind of admiration for her-- it comes and goes depending on whether or not her most current statement meshes with the party leadership's positions. Sometimes she's an unrealistic, liberal loon, and at other times, a short quote from her is all the evidence one should need to support something.

Odd.

[MisterP]

202. whatever gets them on the Front Page (and they can say "if you oppose Obama you're attacking

Warren and Fluke": damn crude, but that's they way they think)

[rhett o rick]

187. I dont understand why you choose now to stir the Shit. Dont we need

unity now more than ever?

[Armstead]

190. The "liberal purity" brigade? Well i guess that's in contrast to the "What Me Worry?" Crowd

[grahamhgreen]

199. We all agree the goal is single payer or better.... right?