WH negotiated with House GOP to WEAKEN surveillance bill. Dems protest.

[grasswire]

Democratic House members negotiated the new legislation to restrain massive surveillance.

Then House GOP met with the WH and negotiated a weakened bill.

What the hell is going on?

The WH works to weaken the oversight legislation hammered out by the Democrats? To the satisfaction of House GOP?

What the holy hell is going on? That almost approaches a constitutional crisis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014809083

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1. those republicans always stick together don't they? nt

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2. Obama is up to his old tricks again. He even <<ADMITTED>> that he's a '90s style Republican, BTW.

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3. Leo Strauss would be so proud!

[Supersedeas]

10. on some level maybe

[Demo_Chris]

4. It's Obama. What else did you expect? nt

[Skidmore]

7. Did you actually read the original article

that you eventually get to?

[Octafish]

5. Don't take it personal, Mike. It's just business.

Good business. The war business. It's why all the secret government business.

It's the most un-democratic business there is, but, hey! Somebody's gotta do it. Amiright?

[Skidmore]

6. From the original article...

details means something. Do you want a half-assed bill or something that actually addresses the issue at hand?

Lawmaker Opposition

In particular, language was added to the bill that would allow the government to collect records that identify “a person, entity, account, address or device,” which critics say is too broad.

The House Rules Committee won’t allow any amendments to the bill when it comes to the House floor today.

“I’m going to be against it,” Representative Jared Polis, a Colorado Democrat, said in an interview. “The danger is that it potentially offers a window dressing of a solution that’s not a real solution and it’s better to keep the issue on the table and fight for real privacy rights.”

Representative Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat, said changes made “are seriously a step backwards,” and that she hadn’t made up her mind how she will vote....“quite possibly opens up the door to bulk collections again, even though we’re saying we’re not going to do bulk collections,” Lofgren said in an interview.

[Demo_Chris]

8. Why do you find this compelling? nt

[Skidmore]

9. Shouldn't you be concerned about the

law of unintended consequences? I am.

[Supersedeas]

19. there is always that to be concerned about

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11. Kick to shatter any stubborn, persisting delusions. nt

[grasswire]

12. apparently....

....our elected Democrats are just chopped liver. There appears to be collusion between House Republicans and the WH to circumvent the will of the people who elected Dems.

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13. "collusion....to circumvent the will of the people."

Yes, that describes our corrupt, corporate-purchased government that is building surveillance machines and impoverishing millions.

We have had a Constitutional crisis for some time now.

Oh, and propaganda machines, too. The president handed a little girl a flower today, or something.

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14. Cut the Crap™

Obama is a progressive.

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18. Damn you

That's my schtick

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20. Much obliged

You will be remembered fondly.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. "Prussia is not a state that has an army, but an army that has a state." Mirabeau

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16. kick

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17. kick

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21. kick

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22. kick

[Vattel]

23. I wish there was more information about the details of the changes.

I am not sure what to think.

[grasswire]

24. well, Democrats who wrote the bill have said it was weakened

....by the WH and GOP collaboration.