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quinnox

(20,600 posts)
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:08 PM May 2014

It is now looking like the Boston bombers were part of a terror attack

I said I thought this seemed like it was a professional terrorist attack at the time, and my opinion was dismissed and ridiculed. Well, looks like I was right after all.

Evidence Suggested Tsarnaev Brothers Did Not Act Alone

Specific evidence has led federal officials to believe that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not act alone in planning the Boston Marathon attacks, according to arguments submitted Wednesday by the US Attorney’s office.

At least eight clues led investigators to this conclusion, including the “sophisticated” nature of the bombs that were built that “would have been difficult for the Tsarnaevs to fabricate successfully without training or assistance from others.” Also, no traces of crushed black powder from fireworks needed for the devices were found in any location linked to the Tsarnaevs, indicating they may not have built it themselves.

Behavior by the Tsarnaevs, including using temporary phones, and planning another large-scale attack in New York City, also indicated the brothers did not act alone, according to prosecutors.

These details suggest, “others might have radicalized them, directed them, trained them, assisted them, and/or concealed them; and that these others might be planning or poised to carry out additional attacks,” the report stated.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/05/22/evidence-suggested-tsarnaev-brothers-did-not-act-alone/RNANHM7DodtUM5ejtPv5PN/story.html

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It is now looking like the Boston bombers were part of a terror attack (Original Post) quinnox May 2014 OP
I never doubted they had help in doing this. hrmjustin May 2014 #1
No way they did this on their own. nt Rhymes With Orange May 2014 #2
They were definately radicalized but by who? Separation May 2014 #3
In this case, unlike others, not the FBI gratuitous May 2014 #9
It is curious isnt it? Separation May 2014 #10
I remember reading that that some agency had his name spelled wrong davidn3600 May 2014 #11
But but but Aerows May 2014 #25
"...we Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all..." seveneyes May 2014 #13
i've alway found it odd that putin gave the us just a whiff of the brothers then cutoff all leftyohiolib May 2014 #4
they warned us, we ignored them. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #15
I have been more worried about why George Bush gave so many folks from Chechnya malaise May 2014 #18
could be just to poke putin in the eye leftyohiolib May 2014 #22
Those who warned us Aerows May 2014 #26
Professional like the Shoe Bomber ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #5
Keep getting warned Aerows May 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 May 2014 #6
I doubt Boko Haram had anything to do with the Tsarnaev brothers. Chan790 May 2014 #12
it's still funny leftyohiolib May 2014 #23
LOL, you very seldom see "I told you so" posts here. Congrats. nt Logical May 2014 #7
I wonder how the Todashev EXECUTION by the FBI ties into this as well. bullwinkle428 May 2014 #8
The dead brother went to southern russia (chechnya) and got hooked up. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #14
Ah, but prosecutors don't have any actual evidence of this. Just "clues." Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #16
can't say I am suprised nt arely staircase May 2014 #17
Google a 'burner' phone and desire to kill... Earth_First May 2014 #19
Thank goodness we can stay patriotically scared! Not downplaying the Boston tragedy, just DHS. WinkyDink May 2014 #20
Some other weird connections in the family: dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #21
yeah, right. KG May 2014 #24
Doesn't seem like a sophisticated bomb to me. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #28

Separation

(1,975 posts)
3. They were definately radicalized but by who?
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:17 PM
May 2014

Im guessing it was the older brother who got his little brother. I think I read somewhere that the older brother had come back from overseas and Russia told us to watch this guy.

This was written by the little brother while he was in the boat. Its pretty powerful if you think about it. It reminds me of the Kamikaze's of WWII.

"I do not mourn because his soul is very much alive. God has a plan for each person. Mine was to hide in this boat and shed some light on our actions,” Tsarnaev wrote in the note, according to WHDH.

In his note, Tsarnaev added that "...we Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all... know you are fighting men who look into the barrel of your gun and see heaven, now how can you compete with that."



gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. In this case, unlike others, not the FBI
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:40 PM
May 2014

So the question of who radicalized the Tsarnaevs (presuming their guilt) remains open, despite all the snooping and surveillance being done by our all-too-human and curiously error-prone national security personnel.

But Americans can rest easy that the Ladies Quilting, Canning, and Anti-War Club that meets every 3rd Tuesday of the month at Ethel's house has been fully infiltrated and documented.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
10. It is curious isnt it?
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:49 PM
May 2014

That the US was definitely warned by Russia to keep an eye on the older brother. With the all seeing all powerful eyes of the NSA, why didn't they pick up on this? They were definitely using cell phones, probably email, and other forms of communication.

I guess they didn't use any keywords?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. I remember reading that that some agency had his name spelled wrong
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:01 PM
May 2014

And that's why he slipped through everything.

So apparently all it takes is a spelling error throw off our entire multi-billion dollar spy network.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
13. "...we Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all..."
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:15 PM
May 2014

Some smooth tongued sick person molded their minds to kill innocents in the name of religion. To perform such an action, one must be either brainwashed or enjoy watching others suffer.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
4. i've alway found it odd that putin gave the us just a whiff of the brothers then cutoff all
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:19 PM
May 2014

sharing about them

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
15. they warned us, we ignored them.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:39 PM
May 2014

perhaps they should have sent drones to kill him they way we do?

malaise

(296,118 posts)
18. I have been more worried about why George Bush gave so many folks from Chechnya
Thu May 22, 2014, 06:37 PM
May 2014

political asylum. I suspect it was a case of "my enemies' enemy is my friend".

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. Those who warned us
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:14 PM
May 2014

were ignored just like the THREE people that warned the US about the Underwear bomber were ignored.

Lo and Behold, Rapiscan, and Michael Chertoff sells them!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. Keep getting warned
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:16 PM
May 2014

Just like with 9/11 and ignore it, and it seems like a pattern, not just negligence. Calculated ignorance. Follow the money. Chertoff made a fortune off of selling Rapiscan machines to the TSA and airports after the Underwear Bomber, and we as a nation were warned about him 3 different times, and even by his father.

But hey, somebody made money from the fear, so it's all good!

Response to quinnox (Original post)

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
12. I doubt Boko Haram had anything to do with the Tsarnaev brothers.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:15 PM
May 2014

Any more than Al-Shabaab did.

If you were being at-all serious, I would tell you that the most-likely candidate is rogue factions of Vilayat Dagestan (formerly known as Shariat Jamaat), though there are several Georgian and Chechen Islamicist organizations that are/were capable of it, not even getting into Al-Qaeda aligned groups.

The entire disputed region of the Caucasus Emirate is very gas-and-oil-rich. This is of substantially greater interest to the Russians than the US however...it's their energy companies that hold the contracts, their energy workers and allied regimes that the Chechens and Dagostanis want to drive out.

Based however on the respective positions of the combatants and their stated disinterest in US engagement (All Islamicist factions in the C.E oppose action against non-Russian civilians, and particularly American civilians because they don't want US forces or boots on the ground and they view us as an arms-length strategic neutral party due to our own icy relations with Moscow)...it seems most likely that whoever backed, funded and provided material support to the Tsarnaevs was a radicalized rogue faction acting outside the purview of their own leadership...or very very stupid--the best hope they have of victory is US outrage against the genocidal tactics of the Russians and subsequent international pressure. The way to not get it is to bomb American civilians at a sporting event half a world away.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. The dead brother went to southern russia (chechnya) and got hooked up.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:38 PM
May 2014

The Russian spooks warned us that he was a problem and we told them to go fuck themselves, or the inter-agency spook diplomatic equivalent.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
16. Ah, but prosecutors don't have any actual evidence of this. Just "clues."
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:45 PM
May 2014

“others might have radicalized them, directed them, trained them, assisted them, and/or concealed them; and that these others might be planning or poised to carry out additional attacks,” the report stated.

And monkeys might be flying out my butt, but I don't see any.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
19. Google a 'burner' phone and desire to kill...
Thu May 22, 2014, 06:41 PM
May 2014

Doesn't seem so sophisticated to me.

"...these others might be planning or poised to carry out additional attacks"

Right on cue.

Fear, fear fear...

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
20. Thank goodness we can stay patriotically scared! Not downplaying the Boston tragedy, just DHS.
Thu May 22, 2014, 06:55 PM
May 2014

dixiegrrrrl

(60,161 posts)
21. Some other weird connections in the family:
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:19 PM
May 2014

One of the many unexplained (at least not officially) anomalies of the persons claimed to have carried out the Boston Marathon bombings is the presence of key CIA figure in the direct family of the accused brothers.
Ruslan Tsarnaev, the outspoken uncle of the brothers was married to Samantha A. Fuller until 2004.
Samantha’s father is Graham Fuller, the senior CIA person who architected the Afghan Islamic fundamentalist Mujahideen war against the Soviets.
He is also implicated in creating a global jihad network, presumably acting on behalf of CIA interests.

Ruslan Tsarnaev, who changed his name to Ruslan Tsarni, lives in a posh Washington DC suburb of Bethesda Maryland.
He has worked in the past for companies tied to Dick Cheney’s Halliburton as well as a “consultant” in Kazakhstan with the State Department’s USAID which has been identified as a CIA front.

Take it all in: The two brothers, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, accused though never proven in a court of law to have been responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings, had an uncle, the same uncle who agreed to bury the remains of the one dead brother. This uncle was married to the daughter of Graham Fuller, one of the most important CIA architects of using Islamic Jihadists/terrorists against the USSR during the Cold War and after, throughout Central Asia, including Chechnya and Kazakhstan.
Coincidence?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178524.html

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
28. Doesn't seem like a sophisticated bomb to me.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:33 PM
May 2014

I can't imagine there's not info on the Internet for doing this, but I'll not entertain the NSA and FBI by searching for it.

I smell more Terra! Terra! Terra everywhere! brewing.

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