No one has the RIGHT to be loved. No one has the OBLIGATION to love another.

[FrodosPet]

And no one has the RIGHT to a sexual partner.

This evil little turd acted as though he was somehow due an attractive women. And now, people's sons and daughters lay dead through no fault of their own, because some spoiled asshole thinks he is entitled because he is under the delusion that he was a better man than the so-called "brutes".

People are attracted to who they are attracted to. And many women are attracted to strong earthy men, not uppity jackasses who operate under the assumption that they are "nice guys", when in reality they are merely passive aggressive spoiled brats.

Most women want a man who will pay attention to them. Men who can make them laugh and smile and feel tingly. They don't want a doormat guy, and they don't want a slavemaster guy. From what I have seen of the video, the piece of shit who shot all those poor students does appear in attitude to have been the ultimate slave driving doormat.

Warning: This is the alleged killer's YouTube.

[LWolf]

1. I watched about 10 seconds.

I don't need to listen to his plans for revenge, or take a swim into his sickness.

I disagree with your premise, though. I think everyone deserves love, and has an obligation to love others. Often, the dysfunctional people who cause the most harm do so because they didn't get enough of the right kind of love from the beginning.

As for sexual partners...there you are correct, of course. Nobody has the right to a partner.

As a public school teacher, I deal daily with many young people who aren't getting the right kind of love. I see their dysfunctions growing and leading them, inexorably, into a limited life, at the very least. Everyone deserves love. Love that provides the stability and security that allow us to grow up mentally, socially, and physically healthy.

[FrodosPet]

3. Absolutely, life IS better if you are loved.

If people find love, no one has the right to interfere in that love.

But IMHO, to say that someone has the right to be loved places an obligation on others. We have a right to be loved by WHO?

[LWolf]

4. By those who bring us into the world.

They have an obligation to provide us with a foundation of love that will allow us to grow into healthy, functional lives.

Unfortunately, those without their own foundation of mental, social, and intellectual health don't have it to give.

[cali]

6. our parents. don't you think a child has that "right"?

[kcr]

7. Seriously?

Wow.

[redqueen]

8. Might want to spell out that you're referring to "romantic love"

cause apparently it's necessary.

Sigh.

[skypilot]

38. I know this is a serious thread but...

...I had to laugh out loud at your post.

Long time, no see, by the way.

[magical thyme]

12. our parents.

babies and children have a right to be unconditionally loved. They also need to be unconditionally loved.

But beyond that, nobody has a right to be loved by any specific person, and certainly they don't have a right to be romantically loved.

[cali]

5. me to. and children absolutely have the "right" to be loved by their parents.

[nomorenomore08]

10. You make valid points. But "deserve" and "obligation" aren't the same as "Give it to me or else!"

I'm sure you realize this, but it's an important distinction nonetheless.

And obviously this guy didn't treat his fellow humans with even the most basic respect, let alone love.

[LWolf]

36. "Give it to me or else"

is not a demand that results in love, regardless. You can't receive love without giving it, and someone who is willing to cause devastating harm to others doesn't understand what love is.

[nomorenomore08]

37. Absolutely. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

2. And no one has the right to expect that someone else

will "make them happy." Happiness comes from within.

[Shandris]

9. The refrain of the so-called (with quotes) 'nice guys'...

...is something you hear over and over if you sit silent and watch them in their native habitat. It's not coming from nowhere. An entire generation or two of these young men didn't just sprout up out of thin air, and 'MRA' haven't been around for 35-40 years. So maybe we should look at what's causing this and quit trying to toss platitudes of blame around.

Obviously he's highly disturbed (HIGHLY!). Obviously he's quite entitled.

The real question is WHY, and where is it coming from so much these days? Why are there so many of these people who sound almost like carbon-copy clones of each other?

Or we can just keep saying 'MRA', watching people get slaughtered, and telling people they simultaneously have no right to be loved and life is fine if they aren't loved, then mock them as 'neckbearded virgins' or 'fedoras' when it suits our purposes (and thusly putting the lie to our statement that its perfectly fine if you're not loved by someone).

[Harmony Blue]

14. Indeed we have to ask quetions

because this is really disturbing IMO.

[arcane1]

15. The internet, for one thing. The town loon now can connect with like-minded others.

And the mere existence of others serves to validate whatever thing they are going crazy about.

[Shandris]

16. That's a very good point. As I look more into this guy's life, I keep hearing...

...things that I've seen from other people, almost word for word (that whole carbon-copy thing). It's -very- creepy. A 'support structure', so to speak, of the similarly-minded when your mind is clearly disturbed seems to have an almost magnifying effect not unlike when psychologists talk about a mentally ill person cut off from contact, using only their own thoughts as validation.

[arcane1]

21. He talks that way about the PUAHaters sharing his hate for women

And opening his eyes to how evil they are, etc. It definitely sounded like a depressing support group for him.

Bottom of page 117:
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/225960813?access_key=key-nKS6L3JwbdsgY3zycFSp&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

[Shandris]

29. Ugh, that link...just reading through it (between shivers!) you can tell that there's...

...just something...well, -almost- inhuman about him. Something just fundamentally -missing-. Something more than just entitlement, or even affluenza as I saw someone mention (although I can definitely see traces of it, and I think that's a good insight), but...that kind of psychopathic or sociopathic detachment that you hear about from time to time. He doesn't see other people as actual people, but more like cardboard cutouts or something.

I've heard of it before, but to see it in writing is just... Ugh. I can't think of an appropriate word for it. But while I think he is an obvious extreme example, there's a lot more of this out there. Not as empty, not as...evil (for lack of a better word), but definitely in the same vein.

Edit: Megalomaniacal. Looking at the last couple pages of his screed, that's the word I think I'm looking for. He is sociopathically megalomanical.

[arcane1]

34. It's like an odd mix of the detatched unfeeling psychopath, combined with overwhelming emotion.

"Megalomaniacal" certainly fits!

[mythology]

17. If you have to tell people that you're nice

you probably aren't in my experience.

[FrodosPet]

24. Yes.

Thank you.

People shouldn't be allowed to dump dung all over others and complain when they aren't receiving roses and kisses in return.

[951-Riverside]

11. I disagree. Everyone has a right to be treated with dignity and respect.

No one has the right to kill a bunch of innocent people but this ASSHOLE didnt do this because he wasnt getting any, he did it become its what he wanted to do.

If he really wanted sex, he had everything that would help him achieve that goal but that's not what he wanted. He knew full FUCKING well what he was doing was wrong which is why he released this video to try any excuse his evil acts.

F*CK HIM AND F*CK ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT MIGHT HAVE IGNORED WARNINGS ABOUT THIS ASSHOLE!

[Harmony Blue]

13. Good post

[cali]

20. you don't think children have a right to be loved by their parents?

[FrodosPet]

30. This is NOT AT ALL about withholding love from children.

This is about the expectations of self-entitled creeps to receive "love", be it sexual, emotional, whatever, from someone who cannot or does not wish to love them. In other words, rapists.

Some people are lucky in love, some are challenged, and challenged hard. For some the challenge is physical. But for others - this guy was not deformed or otherwise unfuckable. After all, even I've got laid with -my- looks, he coulda got laid with his. His lack was 100% due to being a full time asshole, and it shows in that video.

Trust, I am about the furthest person to knock the love of humanity, or the love of children. We absolutely need much much more of that, instead of this whole fucked up hostility thing that far too many people are into.

[cali]

31. then perhaps you shouldn't have started off with the broad statement that you did start with.

[hadrons]

18. I'm a guy, so I may not be the best judge of this, but ....

this looks to be a fairly good-looking guy, driving a nice car and has a 'Hollywood' dad - and while he's spewing self-centered nonsense - I sense no speech impediment, so I can't see - outwardly - anything that would be a problem getting the affection he was seeking.

The problem seems to be internal - its him as a person. And if the physical experience is a release he was looking for then we have people who can take care of that for him and they're called escorts (and I do not look down on these people at all.)

I can understand the sexual frustration because I've have a couple of long long droughts, but there's other issues such as selfishness and domination with him probably due to some mental/emotional issues.

[arcane1]

22. I read his account of going to a college party to get laid, and it was definitely him.

He got drunk and seemed to expect women to fall all over him, and acted like an entitled asshole when they didn't. It ended with an ass-kicking.

[Lee-Lee]

39. There were reports he may have been diagnosed with Asbergers

Now I think they don't use Asbergers anymore, or are at least going away from using the term, and just refer to it as mild autism, but the effect is the same- lots of social awkwardness and inability to read other peoples emotions and react accordingly.

I can easily see where someone in that situation would have a hard time with the opposite sex. Couple that with some other mental disorder that causes him to last out at his frustrations in an inappropriate way and we get what you see there.

[oneofthe99]

19. .

[McCamy Taylor]

23. This kid is obviously mentally ill. Look at his face, his inappropriate emotion,

the way he laughs when he should be crying. Not surprised that he had problems connecting with others---people suffering from mental illness are not usually the most charming of people, except maybe for bipolars when they first start to take off on of of their manic highs.

I feel extremely sorry for him. And for all the people whose lives intersected his during his final burst of madness.

Not sure that all the unconditional love in the world from his parents would have made a bit of difference in this case---he looks certifiable, but lucid enough to know how to keep from getting committed. I do know that this is one of the reasons we need to be very careful about who is allowed to possess guns. Guns and mental illness, just like guns and alcohol, do not mix. Of course, even without a gun, we could have done something crazy--whip up a bomb or drive his car through a crowd.

Mental illness is tragic. I am so sorry for the parents and families of everyone who has died. And they deserve our love and sympathy right now.

[Puzzledtraveller]

25. our pop culture says otherwise

and our kids are not prepared in anyway for rejection, and the inevitability of failure. We make our own monsters and we made this guy.

[Katashi_itto]

27. +1

[Katashi_itto]

26. Thanks for stating the obvious.

[DonCoquixote]

28. and as usual

America will cry far more for the suburban kid whose self destructive, narcisstic path cost others their lives, than for the dark skinned kids whose lives are wated as a matter of profit and racism.

[cali]

32. I don't think you'll be able to find a single person who cries for Elliot Rodger.

[DonCoquixote]

35. well, check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511

The MRA coming to defend their own when the fruits of their rhetoric come to light.

aka the sort of crap that discussionist was supposed to drain off our forums.