The Disturbing Internet Footprint Of Santa Barbara Shooter Elliot Rodger

[oneofthe99]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/05/24/the-disturbing-internet-footprint-of-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/



Contrary to the Daily Kos claim, Rodger was getting mental help. His parents reportedly saw his dozens of YouTube videos — of him wandering alone or sitting in his car complaining about the world’s unfairness, his loneliness and a desire for vengeance — and were concerned enough to report them to police, their lawyer tells ABC News. He was being treated by multiple therapists, according to the lawyer, and had been diagnosed as “a high-functioning patient with Asperger syndrome



I would like to know if his parents knew he owned a gun or was the gun purchased illegally.....

Not much is being said in the news about the firearm.

[Egnever]

1. Color me shocked

someone that goes on a shooting rampage is mentally disturbed, who would have guessed?

[bossy22]

2. according to reports the guns were purchased legally over a year ago

This guy has been planning this for a long time. California law requires you to go through some hoops and to buy a gun

[oneofthe99]

3. There's a lot of conflicting reporting on that..

Attorney Alan Shifman said police conducted an investigation and interviewed the man he identified as Elliot Rodger. Shifman said police did not find a history of guns but did say the man had trouble making friends

[bossy22]

6. interesting

IIRC California has a requirement that any firearm sold in the state must be reported to the police so if he did buy it legally there should be a record

[gvstn]

7. The press conference identified the guns.

Then did not give date of purchase (I only watched 10 minutes) but said they were all legal and registered to him. Two were the same type and he had 34 10-round clips that fit those guns. He also had another type Glock and 7 10-round clips for that one. He bought each gun in a different area/city/county (don't know California but they had three different locations not just different gun shops).

They were lucky to have stopped him as quickly as they did.

[oneofthe99]

8. He would have to be 21 in CA for a handgun purchase I believe

He was 22

He was reported to the police by his parents and was undergoing therapy for being disturbed.

My question is how was he able to legally purchase a firearm ?

[bossy22]

9. california i believe has an expanded definition of prohibited person

When it comes to mental illness. The issue is that a mental health practioner actually has to report the patient to the authorities I believe. Just because you see a therapist doesn't mean you can't buy a gun (nor should it)

[oneofthe99]

10. He was reported by his parents for saying he was seeking revenge , that should send up red flags to

police

[bossy22]

11. i believe a specific procedure has to be done in order to initiate a prohibition

[oneofthe99]

12. Well then some official authority failed

The evidence was there

[gvstn]

14. I believe his parents only found his videos a few weeks before the shooting.

So he purchased the guns with a pickup date of December 2013. His parents find disturbing videos on his YouTube page and report him to police in April 2014. They also ask him to go to therapy which he starts around that time. (He could have been in some type of therapy or medical supervision previous to this or not. Initial reports said he was seeing more than one therapist).

[oneofthe99]

22. Then it still doesn't make sense because the police said he didn't own any guns

if his parents reported him a few weeks ago

[gvstn]

24. "History of guns"

Might mean history of gun violations. I believe local law enforcement has to contact the Feds to find out to whom a gun is registered. There might be a local database but I am unsure.

Someone with no criminal record will probably always be sold a gun. A history of mental illness would be self-reported unless they were institutionalized. As far as I know almost no one is institutionalized thanks to Ronny Reagan. A 21 year old man can walk into a gun store and buy a gun. Unless he says he is going to shoot someone then the gun dealer has no reason to stop him. I'm sure plenty of regular customers at gun shops are a bit "off". Those are the types of people that are repeat customers. The regulated waiting periods are so that the onus is not entirely on the judgement of the shop owner.

I just had a prepper shop open up around me. They have a guy dressed up in hazmat gear costume holding a sign that says, "Prepper Supplies" with an arrow pointing to the shop. They are trying to draw me in but there must be enough people looking for prepper supplies that it makes it worth while to have someone point out the store.

[oneofthe99]

26. No CA keeps records

Instead of reposting it all , I have it all here



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995793






Can I get a list of the firearms for which I am listed as the purchaser, transferee, or owner?
Yes. To obtain a list of firearms listed in your name, complete and submit an Automated Firearms System Records Request, pdf to the Automated Firearms Unit, P.O. Box 820200, Sacramento, CA 94203-0200. The request must be signed, notarized, and include a photocopy of your photo ID card (i.e., driver's license or DMV

[arcane1]

4. In his long rant he talking about signing papers to buy guns

For what that's worth

[cali]

5. I've just read much of his 141 year by year memoir. If he's to be believed

he was a clearly very disturbed child and teen and his parents did not seek help for him when he was a kid.

[Aerows]

13. Do you have a link?

Not that I'm challenging your statement, just because I would like to read it too. He was clearly extremely mentally ill.

[gvstn]

15. Here's the manifesto link.

http://www.scribd.com/embeds/225960813/content?start_page=1

[Aerows]

16. Thank you n/t

[gvstn]

17. No problem I had the link open in a tab.

This is a pdf version of a cache of his bodybuilding forum from May 18. It helps back up the idea that his parents recently found his disturbing YT channel because he says he has only temporarily removed them because his parents found them.

Not to stereotype people that enjoy the gym but if a bodybuilder forum thinks you are creepy then you are probably really creepy.

http://www.docdroid.net/ckku/im-tired-of-seeing-losers-with-hot-chicks-bodybuildingcom-forums-.pdf.html

[flamingdem]

19. Wow. Internet forums are rough on the young and on someone with

Aspbergers. There's a lot to parse if one has that syndrome and the rest of what was wrong with him. Still, these guys tried to straighten him out. They could tell something was off.

[cali]

20. read it. and there is no definitive evidence that he had Asperger's. He sure didn't

remind me of anyone with Aperger's that I worked with. He has all the indicators of a sociopath/psychopath. I suggest reading all 141 pages of what he wrote before you get outraged at how the murderer is being treated. Ugh to your post. double ugh.

[Aerows]

25. Yep - that's how I read it, too

He talked about people like they were just constructs to serve him, never caring about them except as to how they could make his life easier. The narcissism and entitlement were also palpable.

Serious sociopath, and unfortunately, that's what he ended up being .

[stevenleser]

27. I wonder about that (Sociopath/psychopath). What I got from the manifesto is that the guy

was in so much pain, he couldn't start to think about other folks. He did seem to once or twice to genuinely empathize with people, like his friend when the friend's mom died.

I'm not decided on whether I agree or disagree but I think there might be another possibility. I found the manifesto heartbreaking.

I think a lot of people go through middle school and high school feeling pretty alienated. Sad we haven't found someway to make those periods at least a little easier on our teens.

[cali]

34. have you worked with folks with a diagnosis of psychopath/sociopath?

I found the manifesto completely in line with sociopathy. Eliot was incapable of recognizing other people as... real- with their own feelings and thoughts.

[XemaSab]

35. I'm "friends" with a sociopath

On the surface he seems very attractive and likable, but you scratch the surface and there's no actual empathy for other people or animals.

And like this young shooter, the entire universe revolves around his cock.

[flamingdem]

31. Where did I say he wasn't a sociopath?

And how did you read that I'm outraged at how the murderer is being treated? You're way off here. And I'm not saying that I know what is causing that just pointing out that it's a piece of evidence of how he's thinking, even with people trying to tune him in.

You know it is acceptable to think about what caused this even if you'd rather have an emotional outburst, that isn't really insightful.

[dixiegrrrrl]

29. Just finished reading the darn thing.

Here is link to it, and if you sign up, you can download it.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled

He bought all his guns over a period of months, no one knew of his homicidal ideations, his parents took him to a few shrinks but he was not honest with the MH folks, and he did not take his prescribed medicine.
He DID begin a pattern of self medication with wine, as in a bottle or more at a time.

family members saw the extreme depressive symptoms and did try to help.
But, he had no sucide attempts, gave no clues of his inner thoughts of violence.

On a related note...they are reporting 3 bodies in his college apt, all apparently stabbed.
His manifesto laid out intentions of killing his 2 room mates.

[Aerows]

30. Oh No!

3 more dead people at his hands!? Damn

[malaise]

32. Those three were included among the six n/t

[Aerows]

36. Not that it is a blessing

but at least I'm a bit relieved that 3 MORE people didn't perish in this nightmare .

[Aerows]

23. I can't imagine reading it all - I stopped in the middle

He was an entitled, spoiled brat. The way he talked about how much better he was than everyone else was pretty damn disgusting. Add clear mental illness on top of it, and his parents inability to see how damaged he was (and send him to therapy!), it is not that big of a surprise that he had a meltdown.

I just wish he would have had a meltdown that didn't affect the lives of 13 other people and their loved ones.

[gvstn]

28. From what little I have read of the manifesto and the bodybuilding forum

He comes off as extremely self absorbed and entitled. Not likeable at all. Definitely not sympathetic and I am a bleeding heart.

That said linear thinking and obsessive ideology is a symptom of Asperger's. He obviously has more severe problems than that but I guess there are violent people who are also Asperger's sufferers just as there are violent people who aren't suffering from that syndrome.

I really don't blame the parents. They could attribute any problems to being a teenager and assume his teenage years will be elongated because he doesn't understand some social signals. It seems when they were shocked by his videos they called the police for help but the laws didn't allow the police or medical personnel to detain him. This is a very prevalent problem with parents of adult children having no legal standing to get their kids help even when they know their kids aren't thinking/acting normally. (It is also a problem for adult children seeking help for their parents that aren't acting normally in a cognitive sense. The presumption is if the person can speak a coherent sentence then they are within their rights to refuse treatment. That no weight is given to the experience of loved ones who know them best is wrong but it is the law.) I don't have the answer but I not going to blame the parents just yet.

It is very sad that 13 young lives were effected because this guy couldn't put rejection into perspective.

[bettyellen]

33. hoping the Obamacare extention to 25 will help in some cases- but so many refuse meds. It is

difficult. He knew he had a lot of ideas that others thought were just unacceptable. He was trying to hide them just enough so he could do what he wanted to do. To think he had been talking about brutal violence for that many years is startling.

[cali]

21. so sorry.