I target shoot! We own two .22's and a .38!

[JanMichael]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Autumn (a host of the General Discussion forum).

And they should always be registered.

We do not keep ammo in the house because we do not have a safe place to store them AND ammo. If someone hurts themselves with our weapons it will be because they dropped them on their toes- IF they can find them.

We feel safe with a snippy 13 pound terrier mix, and a mean as hell cat (seriously- we warn everyone- do NOT pet The Stink)- We sleep with a cell phone by the bed.

We used to eat meat- and still would if we had friends that hunt. We are not opposed to hunting at all when it means food on the table. We are opposed to "trophy hunting."

Guns and ammo need to be regulated to hell and back in this country, and frankly- we are more than willing to pay taxes out the wazzoo for that-

People need to quit being so damned stupid about their guns-

[nomorenomore08]

1. Great post. I'm not opposed to gun ownership per se, but common sense is needed here.

[JanMichael]

4. no shit! My wife is 7th generation

Southerner (in the same state)---

We are not even interested in the gun nuts bullshit. Remotely. We have had it with these jackwits.

[Kablooie]

29. I don't have guns but have no problem with responsible use and care of them.

Along with appropriately strict regulations to insure that everyone becomes a responsible owner.

And there is no reason for citizens to have high powered weapons of war to play with.

[Duckhunter935]

70. please define

does my 1926 Mosin fall in that category? It is a full military spec firearm. How about my Swiss K31? It is also full military spec. My Ar 15 is not military spec so I guess that one is OK by your logic.

[imthevicar]

2. People need to stop being so stupid about Mine as well.

[JanMichael]

6. Awwww your little buddies

Whatever.

[Crunchy Frog]

3. Recced.

[JanMichael]

5. Thanks!

[spanone]

7. K&r...

[Skittles]

8. THANK YOU

FOR ILLUSTRATING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GUN OWNERS AND GUN HUMPER

[JanMichael]

10. Crap!

I thought you were gonna kick my ass!

Seriously, no joke. I am so fucking over it. We grew up with them- and no one, not one of our relatives, or friends discussed them unless they were antiques- as in "my great great grandfather's...."

[Skittles]

14. when I see people obsessed with guns

I think they are absolutely pathetic

[JanMichael]

16. Pathetic, and scared

It's ridiculous. The damned "I would shoot back!" fantasies of these nuts is unreal-

I am so tired of them-

[Skittles]

17. what kills me (hey is that a pun)

is how gun humper logic has trumped gun owner logic - now we're seeing the extreme results and STILL these cowards refuse to admit there's a fucking problem

[JanMichael]

18. We were talking about that today

Neither one of us can believe the elementary school didn't accomplish something- those were babies. The first thing the cowards talked about was "more guns."

They are fucking nuts. Every damned one of them, and I don't care if they are Dems are Republicans.

[Blanks]

26. I grew up around guns...

And I was taught from the time I got my first hunting license (when I was 12) to respect guns. I remember my dad asking me how I'd feel if I accidentally shot someone I loved (like my granny) how bad I would feel. Obviously, that had an effect on me since it was over 40 years ago.

I don't have any guns now - my wife (she grew up around guns too) doesn't like guns, and I didn't own any when we got married - I sure wouldn't want them around my kids (even though they're adults now).

I understand that people like guns and I like your attitude about them. The idea that people should have guns to protect their homes is just asinine. I'm like you, I've got a cell phone next to my bed for protection.

[JanMichael]

33. Sounds pretty much like us

The dog sleeps with us- the mean cat is downstairs. We know our neighbors-

I worry more about our big oak tree in the front yard falling during a storm than I do my damned guns. I don't get this new "I luvvvvv my guns" garbage in the US.

[Blanks]

60. I don't get the love affair either...

And I'm seeing it from people who I never thought were all that passionate about guns. I have a cousin and my younger brother - they're posting 2nd amendment stuff on Facebook all the time.

There is some level of it that is a sense of belonging - they respect people who have guns, and they are trying to impress them. At least that's my guess.

[Le Taz Hot]

55. Perfect!

[bravenak]

9. Yep.

You're right. I also do not own bullets. If i need them to target shoot, i buy them at the time. I have kids.

[JanMichael]

12. Yep

got rid of all bullets when the nieces and nephews started getting old enough to "mess" with things- it wasn't worth it. And no, we never bought a safe, displayed them, etc.

[billh58]

11. K&R

for stating the feelings of most American gun owners. The very vocal fringe Second Amendment extremists are only carrying water for the right-wing gun lobby, and don't even know it, because they actually believe the NRA lies and fear mongering.

[JanMichael]

15. Everyone we know

except for one group of family nuts (hey, we ALL have them- they are birthers too) does not get the weirdness about guns in this country.

[greatlaurel]

13. Well said!

Thanks!

[Taitertots]

19. It must be nice to be rich

"we are more than willing to pay taxes out the wazzoo for that"
What about everyone that isn't rich and can't afford to be taxed out the "wazzoo"?

[JanMichael]

20. Sorry

Americans want to play (with guns, war toys, troops etc) but don't want to pay.

It sucks, eh.

Maybe ammo should be taxed. If you are a hunter, and depend on your bullets for food, then you better shoot wisely, and learn to reload. Or use a bow.

[Taitertots]

21. Must be nice to be rich

I guess you don't care that the policies you advocate effect millions of people that are not rich like you.

[JanMichael]

24. It is!

We are rolling in it- can hardly get our moneybags into the 10 year old car to get them to the bank!

Since you have concluded we are "wealthy," my answers to you are going to be just as ridiculous.

[Taitertots]

32. But you support taxes out "wazzoo", you must be rich to be able to afford it

Or did you come to the realization that taxes would prevent you from owning/target shooting with firearms because you are not rich.

[JanMichael]

34. so what

Honestly, who cares. If higher taxes meant getting rid of the damned guns, and we couldn't afford them, fine.

I could care less. Would like to keep the grandfather's .22 rifle. It's old.

[Taitertots]

42. Yep, Taxes as a means of prohibition for anyone but the rich

Why post such a disingenuous OP when your policy recommendation prevents everyone except rich people from owning/using firearms?

[joeglow3]

68. Spoken like someone who doesn't rely on hunting for basic survival

But, but, but, that isn't what you are saying...

[Travis_0004]

31. Ammo is taxed

There is an 11% tax on ammo and guns, plus sales tax in most states.

[joeglow3]

35. My wife and I own zero guns, but her family hunts for food

They are small town, fifth generation, farmers. They struggle to get by, but take immense pride in providing good for Americans. They struggle to get by and utilize hunting to feed their family. They trap what they can, but also hunt. Your blatant disregard and lack of empathy for these poor Americans is disgusting.

[JanMichael]

39. My wife's family

is 7 generation North Carolinian. From small towns.

PLEASE show me where I showed "lack of empathy" for "poor Americans."

Get over the bullshit- I am not even remotely interested in this silly assed fucking argument. Read my OP. READ IT.

I doubt your wife's relatives are gun humpers if they are using them to put food on the table.

[joeglow3]

40. I suggest you re-read your post

I am not the only one who read it as a "fuck you" to poor who rely on bullets for survival.

[JanMichael]

45. Yeah, you are in the large crowd of.....two.

If BOTH of you can't figure out the difference between an impovershed rural family shooting for food, and urban jackwit gun humpers, then you have more to do on the internet than read DU.

[joeglow3]

51. Why the need to resort to personal insults?

You said we should tax the hell out of bullets and if people are shooting for food, they better learn how to shoot better. That is a fuck you to poor and you are trying to backtrack and personally attack people who called you out. Sad...

[JanMichael]

57. not hardly, but nice try

ALL of the hunters I know- every single one- can shoot. They don't waste bullets.

[Duckhunter935]

71. They already are taxed

[Major Nikon]

41. If you can't afford them, don't own them

There's no reason to own them unless your livelihood depends on them and they never make you more safe.

[Taitertots]

47. At least one person is honest enough to admit that they support firearms for only rich people

[Major Nikon]

53. Do you support people owning cars without licensing or insuring them?

Or should only the "rich" own cars?

Keep in mind at least car ownership is more than just a hobby.

If you want sympathy for your hobby, it's in the dictionary...

Just sayin'

[Taitertots]

58. Make an OP about those laws (PM me for notification) and we can discuss it

[Major Nikon]

65. I asked you a reasonable and relevant question that only required a yes or no answer

You're the one claiming taxes are used for prohibition. You can either support that assertion or you can't and I can come up with all sorts of other relevant examples if you don't like the one provided.

If you don't want to pay for the societal costs of gun ownership, then you simply want everyone else to support your hobby.

[Taitertots]

66. If you want to discuss an unrelated issue (cars), create a thread and we can discuss it

[Major Nikon]

69. You mean like taxes?

If you want to discuss taxes and cost of ownership, then do so. Restricting the topic from relevant parallels seems a bit disengenuous.

[Taitertots]

72. If you want to discuss taxes on automobile ownership, then create a thread about it,

PM me, and we can have a discussion about it.

[Major Nikon]

74. I'll ask a question not so easily dodged then

Do you think others should support the societal costs of your hobby?

[baldguy]

43. You know how poor people can avoid the OP's proposed taxes on guns?

By not owning guns. If they can't afford such an unnecessary luxury item, they shouldn't buy it.

[nomorenomore08]

44. Then instead of taxes, how about universal background checks and some form of registration?

[JohnnyRingo]

22. There's nothing wrong with owning guns.

There is however, something wrong with some gun owners.

I too own a couple handguns, but I don't mind registering them and presenting myself for a background check. Here in Ohio I even had to wait a week once before I could buy a second pistol as a gift for my youngest son.

Of course those were the olden days (back in the '90s I think), but the world incredibly still turns, I'm still free, and jack booted govt thugs have yet to storm my house to confiscate them. Go figure.

[JanMichael]

30. Thank you

No one has come after ours either.

[doc03]

23. I target shoot and hunt. I have a 12 & 16 ga. shotgun, a 22 rifle, 22 revolver, 44 mag. revolver,

a 40 cal. Springfield XDM, a 380 Ruger LCP, a. 45 black power revolver. I have no need for a 30 round magazine, I have no problem if every gun was registered, have no problem with a background check when I buy a gun. I don't feel the need to be armed when I go outside my house.

[JanMichael]

28. Thank you

I have never shot a black powder revolver, although I have seen photos- how old is it?

Like I wrote, if we lived in a place with many hunters and access to meat, we would probably still eat meat- no problem with hunters at all. For the most part, they are the most "normal" gun owners.

[doc03]

37. The black powder revolver is maybe 20 years old, they still make them

you know. If someone needs to hunt for food using a black powder gun would make hunting more sporting. Most hunters are normal but
the NRA has turned many of them into gun nuts.

[JanMichael]

59. I knew about replicas

but, I did not know there are contemporary black powder revolvers out there- that's interesting. I will look them up. Thanks for the info-

[Taitertots]

38. You have no "need" for any of those. When we base policy on "need" all of them would be prohibited

None of your rights are based on "needs".

[JanMichael]

49. so. From my posts, you have gleaned that I am "Rich." and from this poster

you have determined that he doesn't need to hunt.

Care to give us any more of your intimate apparently innate knowledge?

Guess what sign I am in the zodiac. C'mon. Let's see what you really have.

[nomorenomore08]

50. Why do you need a 30-round magazine? Why do you need to carry a gun everywhere?

Maybe you don't, but your post seemed to imply as much.

[Taitertots]

54. Why do you need to worship freely? Speak without censorship? Restrict giving quarter to soldiers

in your house?...

[nomorenomore08]

56. So you're opposed to all gun-control measures whatsoever?

Should a person be able to carry an AK-47 around too?

[Taitertots]

61. Your post is non-sense, not even worthy of a response.

[nomorenomore08]

62. You're the one arguing against even the mildest of restrictions.

I have no wish to take your guns away. But I'd prefer if a background check and registration or licensing of some sort were required for firearm purchases. That would still entail laxer gun laws than nearly every other First World country.

[Taitertots]

63. "Mildest restrictions"? Based on?

In this thread the only thing I've opposed in taxation as a means of prohibition and the arbitrary use of a "need" standard for certain rights.

[nomorenomore08]

64. Okay, maybe I've assumed too much. In that case I apologize.

I guess I've just gotten accustomed to people knee-jerk rejecting even mild gun-control measures, like the ones I mentioned. But I realize that the majority of gun owners aren't so unreasonable.

[nomorenomore08]

48. Why so many different types, if you don't mind me asking? Are you a collector?

Nothing wrong with that either, mind you. I have no problem with people owning multiple guns so long as they're responsible.

[Kablooie]

25. Dick Van Dyke's wife kept her husband's .22 ammunition in her jewelry box.

When he heard a prowler in the house he quietly opened the box to get the ammo and it played the Blue Danube.

This was an actual incident that was used in one of the Dick Van Dyke show's episodes.

[mwrguy]

27. I wish that most gun owners were like you

[Thinkingabout]

36. I really do not see where there should be such a big deal with registering guns.

We register for a social security number so we might draw a check in the future. We register our children for school. We register our vehicles, buy insurance, we get our vehicles inspected for safe operation. Males register for the draft. Why are gun owners so exempt? This needs to change.

BTW, you register to join NRA,also

[JanMichael]

46. Thank you

I don't either

[nomorenomore08]

52. I'm wondering the same thing... n/t

[VScott]

75. We should register people diagnosed with mental illnesses.

No big deal... right?

[951-Riverside]

67. Meleanie Hain n/t

[Duckhunter935]

73. interesting that the same type of post in GD

from a differing viewpoint was locked as off topic. Curious if that will happen to this one or are some more equal than others.

[bravenak]

76. Probably.

That one got started first, got locked first. Wanna make a friendly wager on how long it will be?
I guess ten to 15 minutes. I don't want anything for winning. Betting is its own reward.

[Autumn]

77. Locking, this does not meet the SOP for GD

please repost in the gun forum.