Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Rodger, Elliot Hated Sexually Active Men?

[JJChambers]

He hated a lot of people. He killed twice as many men as he killed women. He planned to kill a house full of women and planned to lure random men and women to his house to murder. He planned to murder many, many more random people but was luckily stopped by Police and then took his own life before he had the opportunity to do so.

Yes, Rodger, Elliot hated women. He hated men too. He was a bitter, vile little person and the world is better off without him.

Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes. He was a nutcase with a knife and with a gun and that's it.

[bravenak]

1. He planned to kill a houseful of women.

That says alot about him.

[JJChambers]

2. He planned to lure random people to his apartment and murder them

That also says a lot about him. It says he is (was) freakin' nuts.

[bravenak]

5. He hated men because the could get women.

Everything revolved around his narcisistic self and his feelings about women. He wasn't mad at men for being male. He hated them for having women.

[JJChambers]

6. Primarily the men who he considered lesser in status than himself

Because he was a nutjob.

[bravenak]

20. Because he was a narcisistic woman hating man.

I could probably be considered a nutjob. I have 3 different psychiatric conditions. They ebb and flow with my moods and life changes. But i lack the hate component. I have the i feel oppressed by society problem and the way i deal with it is to point out injustice and not shut up.

He had the ' i hate women and want to set up a society to oppress and starve them into submission and only keep some for breeding purposes.' Thats hate honey. Pure hate for women.

[nomorenomore08]

53. Mental illness and political ideology are not at all mutually excluse. Why would anyone think so?

[bravenak]

62. I have no idea whats going on with this one anymore.

I'm just throwing shit at him to see if i can break through his wall. Some people live in a black and white universe. No nuance.
Personally i like crazy lefties over crazy righties. Less dangerous to my safety. This killer was a fascist.

[Flatulo]

162. I'd go further and posit that an extreme obsession with ideology can often drive one to madness.

Cause - meet Effect.

I strive for moderation in almost all things.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

99. NO!! Because they were laying women and he was jealous because he couldn't have sex with those women

He wrote specifically about this. He was angry at these men PRECISELY because they were having sex with women that he wanted to have sex with.

Please get your story straight!

[Hekate]

131. Their sex lives were all in his head, ironically, because he took every glance and ....

...instance of hand-holding he witnessed as "proof" that those girls were shtupping like bunny-rabbits.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

134. Yep. Of course. Because women, in his mind--as in the minds of most women haters--are sluts.

It's all about control; control over women's bodies. He wanted that control over women and their sexuality. And he perceived other men having that control--and women allowing men to have that control over them. And that made him jealous and hateful.

It's very fascinating. OP seems to feign ignorance. Or, does he/she? I think he/she is really in denial, really.

[randys1]

153. Dont forget that this is an isolated incident, nothing to do with guns or hating women

just a random guy doing random shit and there is absolutely nothing we can do in response

We cant educate men to stop being misogynist assholes, we cant get rid of all guns (my idea) or more likely institute gun laws to reduce these incidents, cant do that!!!

NO
NO

[big_dog]

3. he had planned to kill members of his own family as well (male and female)

his brother for over-shadowing him...sicko nutball!

[Shandris]

4. I may not agree with some of the full length of explanations to Rodger's actions...

...and it -is- true that he also hated sexually active men, but I think your point here is way over the top (and might be intentionally so, but I'm not positive). However, he didn't write about sexually active men so much, they weren't the focus of his ramblings, and they were only an extension of his primary target of disaffectation. Don't confuse one for the other, just as people shouldn't confuse his inane rantings as somehow evidence that all/most/many/vast majorities of men hate women. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[nomorenomore08]

54. It's meant to be dismissive of PeaceNikki's OP from earlier. That's the whole point. n/t

[Shandris]

116. Meh. I kind of figured as much, but I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

It gets me into trouble more often than not, but at least I've tried.

[nomorenomore08]

117. Me too. But some of the willful head-in-sand responses have pushed beyond my tolerance level.

Especially after such a horrific, senseless tragedy.

[LeftyMom]

7. You know who white supremacists hate almost as much as POCs? White people who aren't racist.

That's your answer. Now stop asking silly questions and read more.

[JJChambers]

8. White supremacists are whtite supremacists; Rodger, Elliot is crazy.

So are white supremacists but that's another thread and another kind of crazy.

[LeftyMom]

11. He was connected to a larger movement of organized misogyny.

He posted to anti-woman message boards, followed anti-woman videos on YouTube, he wrote a manifesto full of MRA jargon. He was unstable but he did not invent his ideology out of whole cloth.

[JJChambers]

13. I thought he was a member of ANTI- pick up artist groups?

[LeftyMom]

18. Go read the group if you're unclear about it's intent. They're mad that PUA techniques didn't work,

they're not mad that PUA techniques are based in hostility to women. The anger toward women and feeling of being owed access to their bodies in his posts was entirely typical.

[bettyellen]

21. oh gosh, you didn't read up on any of this, did you? PUA hate is Failed PUAs who are pissed the

tricks taught by PUA do not work. And yes, they hate on women pretty intensely there.

[geek tragedy]

27. He was drawn to the PUAs because he was a misogynist and then became disillusioned

when he found out he had been snookered by his fellow misogynists.

[Nevernose]

38. He was also a white supremacist

It's been kind of overlooked in the media so far, but I've been reading his manifesto off and on all day.

His guy was a narcissistic asshole in just about every possible way. He wasn't just a racist and a misogynist, he was even a literal fascist.

[Jamastiene]

123. Exactly.

He also talked about forming a fascist government and banning sex, creating a perfect race, and starving almost all women to death and watching for his own personal satisfaction, and keeping other women to breed to try to make women who were not attracted to jocks. He was obsessed with gaining money and power to do those things. He hated Mexicans and AAs and quite a few Asians too, even though he was part Asian himself. He saw nonwhite races as inferior to him.

[TDale313]

10. ^^^ this ^^^

[Skittles]

37. THANK YOU

OMG the fucking stupidity - it BURNS

[TDale313]

49. Yeah, it's really just..,

[nomorenomore08]

58. Again, I wish we could rec individual comments. n/t

[Jamastiene]

120. Checkmate.

You win the thread.

[Gravitycollapse]

127. Thank you for this.

[arcane1]

9. Because when he said he'd kill every "blonde slut" he saw, he meant men too.

Or something.

[nomorenomore08]

90. Because men can be sluts too, don'cha know? It's just a coincidence the word refers to women 99% of

the time.

[DURHAM D]

12. Is your post accidentally or deliberately ironical?

"Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes."

Please look in the mirror.

[m-lekktor]

17. thank you! my thoughts exactly.

some serious PROJECTING going on there.

[Starry Messenger]

14. .

[JJChambers]

15. He also hates sexually active men. Loathes them. Especially the ones who were lower class than him

Did you read his rambling?

[Starry Messenger]

19. All 144 pages.

I direct your attention to the first sentence.

[JJChambers]

22. Exactly

I'm not disputing that he hated women. He clearly did. But he also hated men who were sexually active. He was a crazy nutjob, not the posterboy for anti-misogyny.

[geek tragedy]

29. his hatred of some men is derivative of and ancillary to his hatred of women.

if you dispute this, you really should work on reading comprehension.

he does a very good job of clearly articulating his textbook misogyny

[Scootaloo]

34. You're desperate to make this about ANYTHING other than Rodger's hatred of women

We got it. Message received. Now kindly accept the fact nobody thinks your opinion carries the weight of a rat turd, and get on with whatever it is you normally do with yourself.

[Starry Messenger]

106. I'm picturing this

[boston bean]

141. LOL, People are wondering why I'm laughing!

[HangOnKids]

148. I'm laughing too Bean!

Fucking PERFECT!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

104. Yes. Keep going! He hated sexually active men PRECISELY BECAUSE they were sexually active with women

that HE wanted!!!!!!

He wanted to be sexually active like they were.

HE. WAS. JEALOUS. OF. THEM!!

What about that don't you get?

Or, are you feigning ignorance?

[Dorian Gray]

158. I don't think that excerpt

proved what you think it proved.

While I will give to you that he, in passing, seems to have little respect for brutish men, most of his vile hatred and disgusting rant is geared toward women.

[bettyellen]

23. BOOM, thread is DOA.

thank you!

[smokey nj]

24. Bbbbut he hated men toooooo!

[1StrongBlackMan]

100. I heard he also hated ...

Brussel sprouts, but THAT is not being discussed. I hate it when people politicize tragedies.

[treestar]

139. Only because of the women

[Raksha]

155. Smackdown!

[deutsey]

16. According to his "manifesto," he saw himself as a god and that he was going to slaughter animals

The sharpest edge of his hate was directed at women, but there's no doubt he hated the "popular" men he thought was depriving him of the attention of women.

[geek tragedy]

25. shorter OP: "SHUT UP YOU DAMN UPPITY FEMINISTS MISOGYNY DOESN'T HURT ANYONE" nt

[JJChambers]

26. Shorter response:

"SHUT UP MEN, HE HATED YOU SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WOMEN."

[geek tragedy]

28. Classic anti-feminist derailing technique--make EVERYTHING about how men are the primary victim.

He hated women as a group, he despised individual men, including those who were "getting" the women he felt he was entitled to.

The KKK killed white people too.

[JJChambers]

31. Men were the primary victims: He killed twice as many men as he killed women

I would agree that women were the main focus of his rage, though that was followed closely by sexually active men. I do not agree that he is anything more than a crazy nutjob. I do not think he should be used as proof that he was anything except a crazy nutjob.

[Hekate]

36. He was preparing his apartment as a trap for women. The men were in the way.

[JJChambers]

46. Really? That's not what he says in his Manfiesto. Please, share where you learned that.

Here's what he says in his Manifesto:

On the day before the Day of Retribution, I will start the First Phase of my vengeance: Silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment through some form of trickery. The first people I would have to kill are my two housemates, to secure the entire apartment for myself as my personal torture and killing chamber. After that, I will start luring people into my apartment, knock them out with a hammer, and slit their throats. I will torture some of the good looking people before I kill them, assuming that the good looking ones had the best sex lives. All of that pleasure they had in life, I will punish by bringing them pain and suffering. I have lived a life of pain and suffering, and it was time to bring that pain to people who actually deserve it. I will cut them, flay them, strip all the skin off their flesh, and pour boiling water all over them while they are still alive, as well as any other form of torture I could possibly think of. When they are dead, I will behead them and keep their heads in a bag, for their heads will play a major role in the final phase. This First Phase will represent my vengeance against all of the men who have had pleasurable sex lives while I’ve had to suffer. Things will be fair once I make them suffer as I did. I will finally even the score.

Care to try again?

[JJChambers]

85. Cat got your tongue?

[bravenak]

105. You proved nothing.

[JJChambers]

109. I proved that the poster didn't know what he was talking about

[Hekate]

130. She. And I have a life apart from this godforsaken site. Like grieving for my townspeople. nt

[geek tragedy]

39. kind of like you think that all real feminists approve of women being objectified

for the benefit of men.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4530430

Your agenda is pretty much to shout down and try to silence women who say stuff that makes you as a man uncomfortable.

Try listening sometimes.

Btw, the more you double down on this point, the more you raise the question as to why you're so invested in denying misogyny and shouting down feminists

[JJChambers]

47. Feminists, like me, empower women -- not shut them down for making choices that we do not approve of

[geek tragedy]

59. No, you just try to shut them up when you don't like what they are saying nt

[JJChambers]

67. When they're bashing women for making choices they dont agree with

Then yes, I do speak out against it. Feminism is empowering women, not trying to force all women into a mold. Celebrate the fact that some women are proud of their bodies and choose to show them off. That's their choice.

[AverageJoe90]

102. That's true. I'm the same way.

In fact, I'll be honest and admit that I actually first came to feminism thru the sex-positive community on YouTube, like folks such as Divinity33372, et al. It's been a while since I've really been active in that particular regard, but I'll have to look all these folks back up some time.

[Scootaloo]

40. That must be why he went to a sorority house

Makes perfect sense. Yup

[Jamastiene]

124. That was only because that sorority house did not open the door

and he had to improvise. His plan was to kill every woman inside that sorority house, but his plans were thwarted when they did not let him in.

[JJChambers]

125. His plan was also to lure random men and women to his apartment

smash them on the head with a hammer and then cut their throats. He hated men. He also hated women. He hated lots of things. He was insane.

[bravenak]

30. MISOGYNY KILLS!!!!

Apparently it's deadly for men too. Guess we better work on that soon.

[bravenak]

43. He's been proving it for days.

And will keep doing so.

[Scootaloo]

45. Someone ought to start a foundation. n/t

[bravenak]

52. Don't give him any ideas.

He will use them improperly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

101. Still shorter response ...

"But what about meeeee!"

[Hekate]

32. He hated men only in reference to women. It was all about the women who denied him...

...his due.

[LeftyMom]

33. Are you at least having fun doing this?

Because you're certainly not convincing anybody. If anything you're doing a great job of showing what dolts anti-feminists are, so thanks for that, however unintended it appears to be.

[Liberal Veteran]

35. Some of the reactions are bit contemptible in my opinion.

All the people glomming onto a single facet of a horrific and ultimately sad person and trying to make it all about that one single issue cheapens the complex nature of this incident.

I can't think of anything more heinous than fighting over which issue gets the "bragging rights" (if such a thing exists) as if there was a prize to be had over it.

[geek tragedy]

41. yes, because women/feminists denounce misogyny only for bragging rights nt

[Liberal Veteran]

48. Way to miss the point and prove it at the same time.

Is misogyny more to blame than mental illness? Is mental illness more to blame than access to guns? Is affluenza more to blame than white privilege? Is envy more to blame than a failure of our mental health system?

There aren't any winners in this. But it seems like everyone wants to make it about themselves.

[geek tragedy]

51. um, no, when feminists denounce misogyny and try to highlight cases

like this as an example of misogyny becoming lethal, they are not doing it because they are narcissists.

They are doing it because they take misogyny very, very seriously and see this as an example of a hate crime against women.

Similarly anti-gun activists, etc etc

[nomorenomore08]

91. Seems to me misogynists kill and otherwise harm a lot more people than the mentally ill do...

[Jamastiene]

126. Exactly. n/t

[840high]

93. ...^ that

[AverageJoe90]

57. That may be true for a few, I suppose.

Although, TBH, I'm a bit more optimistic than you are: I still think that at least some are trying to start actual, legitimate, conversations about misogyny and such, even if not always succeeding.....just my two cents, of course.

[GeorgeGist]

145. Read the manifesto.

Then come back an delete your nonsense.

[AverageJoe90]

44. In regards to the debate.....can we all meet halfway on this, and say that.....

Rodger not only hated women, but also, men who he saw as getting in the way of sexual desires?

[bravenak]

56. I can get with that.nt

[nomorenomore08]

92. So long as people don't use that to downplay the woman-hating aspect of what he did.

I mean, he advocated concentration camps and breeding farms, for God's sake! Nowhere did he say anything comparable about his own gender.

[AverageJoe90]

94. That's true. No denials from me about that. nt

[nomorenomore08]

98. I get what you're saying - and hatred of women was certainly not the only aspect involved -

it just annoys me how some people always try to change the subject anytime the "m-word" comes up.

[nomorenomore08]

50. "Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes."

Because talking about violence against women is just petty male-bashing, right?

[JJChambers]

55. It is in this case.

He killed twice as many men as women and based on his manifesto, he hated sexually active men in addition to women. He was crazy. It is sickening for a subset on DU to try to hijack this tragedy for their political gain. Yes, Rodger, Elliot hated women. And he hated sexually active men. And many other things. He was insane.

[nomorenomore08]

61. "Their political gain"? What, reducing the number of women harmed and killed by men?

How outrageous!

[JJChambers]

64. Trying to twist this nutjob's rampage into something it wasn't.

He was insane. I've seen his actions blamed, on DU, on misogyny, the NRA, white privilege, affluenza, video games, homosexuality and many other scapegoats. He was simply a nut with a knife and a gun.

[nomorenomore08]

70. He himself was indeed "a nut with a knife and a gun." But his actions and beliefs weren't formed

in a vacuum, by any means - like it or not, they reflect something not-so-nice about our culture.

How do I know this? Because his ideas were simply a more extreme version of stuff I've seen all over the place - the whole ideology of "Red-Pillers" etc. is based on good-old-fashioned subjugation of women. Sure it's a minority of men (and a few women too) who think this way, but their ideas don't come from thin air.

[bettyellen]

88. "his ideas were simply a more extreme version of stuff I've seen all over the place" YES!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

60. because you are so much more a nuanced thinker than the rest of us. or not. nt

[morningfog]

63. Why do you keep writing his name like that?

[JJChambers]

65. Because I wrote it as Rodger Elliot in an earlier thread

And someone got into my mustard about it, so I changed it to Rodger, Elliot. And now I write it that way to be consistent.

[morningfog]

66. I don't believe that is why.

[JJChambers]

69. What do you think the reason is?

[JJChambers]

75. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5003611

I am NOT a troll. Sheesh!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5003611

[JTFrog]

78. Well I wish folks would quit feeding you regardless.

[JJChambers]

87. Thanks JTFrog

I appreciate the kind words.

[HangOnKids]

149. That Sheesh Convinced Me

[PeaceNikki]

71. it's to goad me for "getting in his mustard"

Cuz antagonizing people is fun. He started this thread because he wasn't getting enough attention in the other one.

[morningfog]

73. That makes more sense.

[JJChambers]

77. You mean exactly the reason I told you it was?

I'll take that apology now! Troll... why the nerve!

[morningfog]

81. No apology. You are transparent.

[JJChambers]

83. I know, I know. I need a tan.

[Agschmid]

114. Survived an alert...

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This postER is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, etc... I don't care if this individual post is or not. I just want to see if there are 4 on this jury who simply want to shut up this RW troll who I doubt has has ever posted a progressive post. He's already got 3 hides in 90 and I want to get him 2 more for a nice long holiday. Skinner, this guy is the epitome of a RW troll.

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[JJChambers]

118. Fascinating and encouraging

It feels good to make an impression.

Thanks!

[Agschmid]

121. Yah that alert was out there IMO.

[JJChambers]

74. It's not a Goad

I like it better that way. Im curious to see what reason Morningfrog thought it was for.

[PeaceNikki]

79. mmm hmmm. BTW, one thing of yours I will *never* *EVER* get into is mustard.

That shit is fucking vile.

[JJChambers]

82. I like a nice homemade dijon mustard

And sometimes honey mustard with chicken tenders is good too.

[bravenak]

80. Morningfog. Trolls change peoples names like that to try to be cutesy.

Just a tip. You wrote morningfrog. Frog.

[JJChambers]

84. Morningfog, my mistake.

I thought it was morningfrog.

[Jamastiene]

129. His name was Elliot Rodger.

Considering how much you are trying to defend his misogyny, it looks like you'd learn his real name and use it in the right order.

[GeorgeGist]

146. Get help.

[bravenak]

68. Like a file label. It's weird.

[NuclearDem]

76. Nice Guys hate both the women and the men they date.

I know, because I used to be a Nice Guy.

[AverageJoe90]

97. Nice Guy should be in quotes, though, IMHO.

There are some guys out there who are *genuinely* nice and respectful to women, as people, and not just faking it to get sex, or whatever. If you don't mind, I think a distinction made between the "Nice Guy" of MRA parlance and real nice guys.....in this case of comparisons, what do we call the actual nice guys? Genuine Gentlemen, perhaps?

[Dorian Gray]

159. Nice guys

don't generally go on and on and on about how nice they are. They just do good things and treat all people respectably.

(I know quite a few of them.)

[seabeyond]

86. sad. but glaringly telling. no surprise though

[JJChambers]

89. Agreed.

I'm glad at least one of the HoF folks thinks it is shameful to hijack this tragedy for political purposes.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

95. OP reminds me of people who simply cannot admit racism exists because doing so would...

make him/her feel guilty of racist thoughts, so he/she uses the "he was just crazy" argument as a smokescreen to shut people down. The NRA hides behind the "mental illness" argument and it does such a disservice to those who truly struggle with mental health issues.

OP: stop hiding behind the mental illness banner because it weakens your argument.

This killer wrote anti-women manifestos. He clearly hated women. He felt entitled to women's bodies. He wrote entire treatise (I forget the plural form of the word) on women and sexual entitlement and possession of women's bodies. His issue was with women. He hated men who were sexually successful with women. That's it.

You must, at some point, home to grips with the fact that misogyny exists and was the underlying cause of this young man's issues; it was what drove him over the edge.

It looks like YOU are the one who is attempting to exploit political ideology for YOUR own end--to thwart discussion of a very real and critical topic: hatred directed at women. Rather than trying to stifle discussion by red herring you should listen to women and learn from their/our experiences and not sweep them under the rug as you're attempting to do.

[Gormy Cuss]

96. ^^^This^^^ n/t

[Starry Messenger]

107. Out of the park.

[TDale313]

115. Great post. Thank you.

[NealK]

132. Absolutely!

You nailed it.

[Major Nikon]

138. So why did he kill his two roommates and one of their friends?

And why did he kill and try to kill other men that he didn't even know? Why did he brandish a gun and NOT kill one woman even though he had the opportunity to do so?

As far as I've seen he had no reason to believe any of his male victims "were sexually successful with women".

I've seen a few attempts to answer those questions, but none rise past the level of pure speculation.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

140. Just because he killed others in his wake--because they happened to be in the way--

doesn't mean that his PRIMARY and UNDERLYING motivation for killing wasn't due to his hatred of women.

Read his writings! It's right there in your face but you deliberately choose to ignore because you cannot accept the fact that misogyny is a reality. Deal with it!

Wake up!

[Major Nikon]

143. Have you read all his writings, or are you just speculating on what you do know?

Did you know he wrote a blog post fantasizing about killing all men?

Misogyny is a reality

I accept that fact.

Now are you happy and can we have a substantive discussion on what all the pieces of the puzzle are other than just one aspect of it? Because if we can't I'd just as soon you let me know now and save both our time.

Just sayin'

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

150. Of course I haven't read ALL and neither have you!

But the intensity of his hatred towards women--not the frequency or number of writings--is what is important here. That's what we are trying to get you to see. Why you can't or simply refuse to see is baffling.

And it's not about "making me happy," it's about owning up to the truth. No amount of condescension coming from you will alter the facts.

[Major Nikon]

156. Speculation =/ facts

When you claim I'm not admitting something I've never denied, you are employing strawman rhetoric. So if you desire civility, try offering some first.

Perhaps the reason you are so baffled is because you are so preoccupied with substituting your own opinions for facts. If you are willing to accept that your opinions are just that, you might be open to the possibility that you're just not going to always be right. I've never claimed you were wrong, nor would I on something I can't demonstrate with absolute proof. I'd appreciate the same courtesy.

Cheers!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

157. Whatever dude. I think you're in denial and your feeble attempts at insults do not

change the facts of this case. I feel a bit sorry for you, really.

Cheers!

[Major Nikon]

160. This makes less sense than the other post

I specifically asserted the very thing you accused me of denying the first time and you still accuse me of denying it.

Then you post a passive aggressive insult while accusing me of insulting you.

Cheers!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

161. I've been called many things, but "passive aggressive"? Hilarious!

Look, move on. We're not getting anywhere here. We'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Have a good day.

[PeaceNikki]

152. do you have a link for the blog to which you refer?

[hrmjustin]

103. So people are not allowed to have other thoughts than what you think?

[hrmjustin]

112. So what exactly is disgusting and being shoved down our throats?

[IronLionZion]

108. You're playing N dimensional chess

while the rest of us are eating apples and oranges. We just can't keep up. Do you feel under-appreciated for your clear superiority?

[JJChambers]

110. All in a day's work, my friend. All in a day's work.

[Rex]

113. Seems pretty clear he hated life. He stabbed his room mates to death

JUST SO he could torture women in private. Think about how depraved THAT is.

[Jamastiene]

119. He only hated men because he was jealous that he had not lost his virginity,

and those men did. He did not hate all men, only men who had lost their virginity, BECAUSE he wanted to have sex himself and the supposedly mean women would not bow down before him and offer up sex to him. It's not hijacking anything to point out that he was a misogynist.

Note: He never mentioned building a concentration camp and watching men starve to death for pure pleasure. He only wanted to do that to women. Can you explain why he did not want to round up all men and put them in concentration camps and watch them starve to death for pleasure? If he hated men and women equally, he would have wanted to do the same to both. He did not hate men and women equally. He hated all women far more and only hated men who had sex with women.

[MattBaggins]

128. You are simply wrong

Horribly so

[YoungDemCA]

133. He hated women because they weren't throwing themselves at him

He was a classic entitled misogynist, a pathetic little shit.

If you can't recognize the significance of that, then fuck off.

[NealK]

135. "Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes."

Ironic coming from you.

[mackerel]

136. Elliott Rodgers was a hater. He hated everything.

If you read his bio/manifesto he had poor coping skills and like most narcissist he blamed everyone and everything for all the things that made him unhappy. He was also a racist. He couldn't stand the thought of latin and black men having sex with white women.

[PeaceNikki]

142. lolz, locked out of his own thread.

[GeorgeGist]

144. Though doth protest too much ...

IMO.

[gollygee]

147. He was jealous of sexually active men becuase they had what he didn't

But his underlying hatred was of women. Sexually active men in relationships with women pissed him off because of the women. The only thing he saw wrong with them was their relationship to a woman. This is still a hatred of women. If I hate all people of some ethnic background, and also white people who are married to or dating someone of that ethnic background, it doesn't prove that I hate white people.

[valerief]

151. But he LOVED guns. nt

[Aerows]

154. He was an entitled, narcissist POS

and nuttier than a pecan pie in a fruitcake factory to boot. Personally, I think he would have gone out in a conflagration no matter what his excuse or issue happened to be.

That's my opinion.