CNN: U.S. Officials Confirm Lying About Russian Troop Movements and Buildup

[Fred Sanders]

Even as CNN today, May 29, reports U.S officials have confirmed that less than 10,000 Russian troops, almost all infantry, remain near the Ukraine border I had to ask myself something because sometimes some things just jump up and smack you in the head with one big HUH?

When Putin announced that he would respect the outcome of the unrepresentative national election for President and WAS pulling back the troops, so he said, the little Bolshevik liar, was it not the same said U.S. officials who said there was no evidence of such a pullback? And who can ever believe a Bolshevik to ever tell the truth, right?

So, right up to today, several days after the election is over, now they say there actually was a pullback? You do not pull back tens of thousands of troops through the vastness of Russia in an eye blink.

And speaking of eyes, America has eyes in the sky over Russian territory that can read the brand of vodka
Putin is drinking today, so they could not have missed 30,000 troops now back at base or on the way.

Only conclusion is that once again we are all being lied to all the time, no doubt at all when it comes to military matters mixed with political matters....the question is, what is the point?

If the military released daily satellite pictures taken at one hour intervals and posted then on the net, what difference would it have made? What horror would have befallen the world worse than a local civil war if people were given the truth instead of fed lies? Is possessing some imagined God like power so enticing that everything has to be a lie so that a few pathological power mongers can get their fix and confirm God chose them to rule this way?

Just asking.

[KG]

1. the US security apparatus is still manned by the same people that lied about iraq.

they didnt get any more honest just because there's a dem in the WH

[djean111]

3. Exactly right.

[stevenleser]

5. That's not correct. The consensus of the Intelligence community was right about Iraq

They doubted Iraq still had WMD and they doubted that Iraq had ties to terror groups.

The Bush admin actively searched for and found the few intel folks who believed Saddam had WMD and behaved as if that was the opinion of the intelligence community. They browbeat those who didn't agree, they brought in Chalabi and other Iraqi expats hostile to Saddam to run separate intelligence functions and in every other way manipulated it so that there was data supporting their viewpoint.

And if that wasn't enough, they then blamed the Intel community when WMD wasnt found.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/05/12/030512fa_fact

[Fred Sanders]

9. You speak the truth, Bush and company ignored the intellegence and just made stuff up with the

scraps they had, like yellow cake.

[LittleBlue]

2. If the government told me the sky is blue

I'd look out my window to check.

It's sad that I have to assume everything they say is a lie, because it so often is. The constant lying is part of what fuels libertarianism.

[840high]

8. ....

[stevenleser]

4. We need a lot more data to determine that one way or another.

You mention satellites, but do we know whether the determination was made by satellite?

It is not as simple as "America has satellites so we know everything that is going on everywhere!!!!111!11!"

Russia has 6.5 million square miles of territory. The Russia-Ukraine border is 1400 miles long. The unfortunate truth about using any camera to perform surveillance is, the more you zoom in to get details in a photo, the less total area that photo covers.

Satellite surveillance still involves a lot of tasking requests to move around satellites to get pictures of different parts of the globe. Even if we assume that a satellite has been tasked to be in geosynchronous orbit right above Ukraine to see what's going on there. There is a lot of territory to cover.

Intelligence estimates are almost always that. Estimates. "We think there is a 60% chance that..." or there is a high likelihood of X or a low likelihood of Y. Here is an example http://www.governmentattic.org/5docs/NIE-2006-02R.pdf

Just like polls, there is always a percentage chance of error.

[Duckhunter935]

6. and Russia has again invaded

Whatever the case, it was clear by nightfall on May 29 that the Russians – led by Alexander Borodai, the self-proclaimed prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, a Russian citizen from Moscow – were in charge.

As if further evidence of Russians fighting in eastern Ukraine was needed, on May 29, the bodies of 33 rebels killed during the fierce gun battle with Ukrainian forces at Donetsk airport that left as many as 50 dead on May 26 were set to be transported from an ice cream factory in Donetsk and repatriated to their motherland.

“We are taking them home to Russia,” Borodai of Moscow told the Kyiv Post outside the Kalinina hospital morgue on May 29. In past days, he has traveled throughout the city using members of the Vostok Battalion as his personal bodyguards.

Flanked by them on May 28, during an impromptu press conference inside Donetsk’s Ramada hotel, he justified the Russian fighters’ presence in the east by saying that “the Donbas,” as the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk are collectively known, “is Russian land.”

lets see what happens now they are not even trying to mask it.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russians-invade-donetsk-350001.html

[Fred Sanders]

7. Kiev Post unreferenced blog posts are as credible as DU referenced posts.