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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Fri May 30, 2014, 07:09 PM May 2014

Study: Slut-shaming has little to do with sex; more to do with social class among women

A new study of college women and their attitudes about so-called sluttiness found that slut-shaming — calling out a woman for her supposedly promiscuous sexual behavior — actually had more to do with a woman’s social class than it did with sexual activity.

Sociologists from the University of Michigan and the University of California at Merced occupied a dorm room in a large Midwestern university, regularly interacting with and interviewing 53 women about their attitudes on school, friends, partying and sexuality from the time they moved in as freshman and following up for the next five years.

The researchers discovered that definitions of "slutty" behavior and the act of slut-shaming was largely determined along class lines rather than based on actual sexual behavior. What's more, they found the more affluent women were able to engage in more sexual experimentation without being slut-shamed, while the less-affluent women were ridiculed as sluts for being “trashy” or “not classy,” even though they engaged in less sexual behavior.

"Viewing women only as victims of men's sexual dominance fails to hold women accountable for the roles they play in reproducing social inequalities," Elizabeth Armstrong, a sociology and organizational studies professor at the University of Michigan, said in a release. "By engaging in 'slut-shaming' — the practice of maligning women for presumed sexual activity — women at the top create more space for their own sexual experimentation, at the cost of women at the bottom of social hierarchies."


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/29/slut-shaming-study.html
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Study: Slut-shaming has little to do with sex; more to do with social class among women (Original Post) davidn3600 May 2014 OP
This will end well. name not needed May 2014 #1
+1 Egnever May 2014 #2
"Stand By For Titanfall!" Warren DeMontague May 2014 #11
If that is true BainsBane May 2014 #3
That is undoubtedly part of it el_bryanto May 2014 #4
Well said. It's the "affluenza" excuse. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #12
The headline isn't really accurate gollygee May 2014 #5
but it's women doing this RainDog May 2014 #7
Everyone takes in our cultural messages gollygee May 2014 #8
Women participate in the oppression of other women RainDog May 2014 #9
It is also class privilege gollygee May 2014 #10
The study doesn't support the misogyny conclusion. ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #13
Have you read the study? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #14
I didn't buy the book, as it's still in hardcover... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #17
I didn't ask if you read book reviews. Did you read the study? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #19
The study costs $32 dollars... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #20
If book reviews were as informative as the study, there would be no need to publish the paper. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #22
Here you will see something that never happens on the D.U. ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #23
I read about it on Slate RainDog May 2014 #24
It's also 'building yourself up by kicking another down' Maeve May 2014 #31
If women are being judged for sexual activity and men are not gollygee May 2014 #25
It is not just women BainsBane May 2014 #21
It is about the weaponization of sex against those who you dislike. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #18
Anyone in a position of power can be a gatekeeper gollygee May 2014 #27
Heh RobertEarl May 2014 #6
We need to have access to the paper before making meaningful conclusions. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #15
This seems logical to me. Uncle Joe May 2014 #16
53 women? ismnotwasm May 2014 #26
Not a very large sample - TBF May 2014 #28
Truth to tell ismnotwasm May 2014 #29
Good points & agree. nt TBF May 2014 #30

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
3. If that is true
Fri May 30, 2014, 07:30 PM
May 2014

I would imagine the difference was due to education, and perhaps even being exposed to--horror of horrors--feminist theory.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. That is undoubtedly part of it
Fri May 30, 2014, 07:38 PM
May 2014

But there is also the unthinking assumption in our society that the wealthy are just, in some ways, better people than the poor and working class. If a wealthy person does something it's excused, while if a poor person does something, it's not.

Bryant

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. The headline isn't really accurate
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:02 PM
May 2014

If you read the article, they are shamed very much for sexual reasons, just wealthy women are excused for being sexual and poorer women are not excused for it. It's still about sex.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
7. but it's women doing this
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:26 PM
May 2014

women engage in power struggles and exhibit class privilege by perpetuating slut shaming.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
9. Women participate in the oppression of other women
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:38 PM
May 2014

by slut shaming.

As noted - this is class privilege in action.

Feminism doesn't have to deny the class warfare women wage against women - it happens and it demonstrates the same sort of "alliance" that southern white women made in the civil war - supporting slavery rather than their own right to vote.

Religion tries to slut shame women all the time - it's the primary cause of slut shaming. Religion in the U.S. is patriarchal monotheism - anyone who aligns with the major religion(s) in the U.S. is also aligning with patriarchy. They participate in the oppression of women by teaching their daughters religious myths that frame women in the most derogatory ways possible.

This is all part of the way women perpetuate misogyny by perpetuating power structures built on it.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
13. The study doesn't support the misogyny conclusion.
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:40 PM
May 2014

It pretty clearly concludes that its a female social hierarchy/class-based phenomena.
If you have a different study you can cite, please do.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
17. I didn't buy the book, as it's still in hardcover...
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:22 PM
May 2014

But I did read all its reviews, from Amazon and elsewhere, and it's very clear what it's about:

Go read the Guardian's review about it:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/27/how-to-end-college-class-war

Armstrong and Hamilton share the results of a five-year interview study on the campus of "MU" - an unnamed, Midwestern public university. The authors lived with, followed and interviewed a large group of women in a "party dorm" as they navigated college and post-college life.

Their research shows how many universities are literally designed for students privileged enough to party their way through school, knowing full well that they'll have a job waiting for them (and a parental financial cushion if they don't).

The authors dub this problem the "party pathway" - a social life powered mostly by fraternities and sororities that "provides a way for affluent, white, socially oriented students to isolate themselves from their less privileged peers." Between these social networks, plus easy majors and parents to support them throughout college and after, the new student elite is destined for success before they hit their first kegger.


This study is entirely focused on class privilege. Not a single review, positive or negative (it's nearly all positive), even mentions misogyny.

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Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
19. I didn't ask if you read book reviews. Did you read the study?
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:24 PM
May 2014

You seem to know a lot about it without actually having read it. My guess is nobody, including myself, in this thread has read the study.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
20. The study costs $32 dollars...
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:45 PM
May 2014

...so you're probably right that no one on the D.U. has read its actual text.

However, since the book is based on the study, and every single review of the book focuses about campus class hierarchies, and specifically noting that poorer women who are less, or not at all, sexually experimental, are accused of being "sluts", while rich young white women, are not (often while being more experimental), it's an inescapable conclusion that the study finds that "slut shaming" is simply a way for the children of the privileged to exclude girls who don't have the same means.

In short: the fraternity/sorority system is part of why colleges are impeding meritocracy.

In typical frat parties, Armstrong and Hamilton see much that is wrong with college education today. Such parties allow daughters of the affluent to flaunt their social advantages while exposing the vulnerabilities of female students from less-privileged backgrounds. Unfortunately, the authors find such parties well established in the 'party pathway' through the university. Focusing on female students, the authors find from campus observations and interviews ample evidence that four years on the party pathway will open doors of power for the elite while stranding the wannabes with mountains of student-loan debt and few employment options for paying off that debt...A provocative exposé of socially polarizing trends in higher education--certain to spark debate.


Edit: Let me add the actual synopsis from the study itself (probably should have done this originally)
Women’s participation in slut shaming is often viewed as internalized oppression: they apply disadvantageous sexual double standards established by men. This perspective grants women little agency and neglects their simultaneous location in other social structures. In this article we synthesize insights from social psychology, gender, and culture to argue that undergraduate women use slut stigma to draw boundaries around status groups linked to social class—while also regulating sexual behavior and gender performance. High-status women employ slut discourse to assert class advantage, defining themselves as classy rather than trashy, while low-status women express class resentment—deriding rich, bitchy sluts for their exclusivity. Slut discourse enables, rather than constrains, sexual experimentation for the high-status women whose definitions prevail in the dominant social scene. This is a form of sexual privilege. In contrast, low-status women risk public shaming when they attempt to enter dominant social worlds.


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Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
22. If book reviews were as informative as the study, there would be no need to publish the paper.
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:57 PM
May 2014

The abstract could just be released and no one would ever question the content.

In the real world of academic criticism, you read studies before commenting on them. And you definitely don't make any claim to understanding a paper by book reviews.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
23. Here you will see something that never happens on the D.U.
Sat May 31, 2014, 01:45 AM
May 2014

...by nearly anyone but myself. Certainly not by the people who gin up false outrage and constantly alert on my comments.

I cede you the point.

It was an overreach to claim information over the study itself, when all I have to go on is the summary of the study (from the study itself) and reviews of the book based on it. I don't think it was much of an overreach, but still I grant that I shouldn't speak directly of the study without reading it.

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RainDog

(28,784 posts)
24. I read about it on Slate
Sat May 31, 2014, 03:33 AM
May 2014

earlier this week.

However, as a female, my response was "d'uh." I've known about this sort of bullying by women toward other women all my life. Or, rather, since I was 10 years old. Men bully differently than women do, but women engage in bullying toward other women. So do girls. Some girls don't do this. Some do.

Anytime a woman calls another woman a slut, you can be sure it's all about putting others in their place, not about some deep commitment to a moral code. lol.

That's what slut-shaming comes down to. Women bully other women in other ways, as well. Whenever I see or read a woman do this, my estimation of that person drops to zero. Not interested in anything that person has to say after that because they have so internalized sexism they don't realize they replicate it - and some who do or have done this claim to be "fierce feminists." LMAO.

Maeve

(43,457 posts)
31. It's also 'building yourself up by kicking another down'
Sat May 31, 2014, 09:05 AM
May 2014

"I'm not like HER; I'm better/more attractive/worth more" --'mean girls' are always trying to prove themselves better than their victims, often because they don't really believe it. And we often minimize it by calling it 'being catty'

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. If women are being judged for sexual activity and men are not
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:13 AM
May 2014

there is misogyny involved. To not see that is to be deliberately ignorant.

They're saying that the misogyny is used in a class-supporting way, but the title said that it had "little to do with sex" when sex is an obvious and necessary part of it. If they'd said it had less to do with level of sexual activity than they thought, and more to do with clas, that would be accurate.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
18. It is about the weaponization of sex against those who you dislike.
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:22 PM
May 2014

And, if women gain enough status, they too can become the gate keepers.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
27. Anyone in a position of power can be a gatekeeper
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:35 AM
May 2014

and I'm not disputing that. Just the title, that said it has "little to do with sex." Sex is a necessary part of it - they are shaming based on perceived sexual activity. It does not have "little to do with sex." It is still about sex, but also more about class than they expected.

I want to say that in addition, they're talking about "slut shaming" in general everywhere based on the experience of one university campus. That's a pretty big stretch. This could be just the culture on that campus.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Heh
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:22 PM
May 2014

I think I understand what the study has determined. I think I've see it happen a few times, just like the study describes.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
15. We need to have access to the paper before making meaningful conclusions.
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:59 PM
May 2014

I don't trust mainstream news sources to describe properly the content of this paper. I'm trying to gain access right now but I don't know if I'll be successful.

TBF

(36,671 posts)
28. Not a very large sample -
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:37 AM
May 2014

but I wouldn't be surprised if this were replicated at larger numbers. Especially with the backlash against women in society (media right at the forefront etc) the past decade I wouldn't be surprised to see these kind of attitudes amongst some women as well as men. It's really sad.

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
29. Truth to tell
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:49 AM
May 2014

I think it exists on all levels of society. I think a better designed study with a larger sample group would find this, rather than the class imposed results. We'd have to study different socio-economic groups and what is being judged between them, not 53 probably white women able to make it to college. We sub-divide easily when it comes to judging others sexual behavior.

Which doesn't make it more palatable.

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