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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBlack Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Hand-Cuffed and Arrested Across the US:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-children-young-kindergarteners-are-getting-hand-cuffed-and-arrested-across-usAmericans should take a long look in the mirror before criticizing other nations for human rights abuses. The law enforcement system in the United States ranks among the worst in the world in the cruel treatment meted out to its citizens. Even children in this country are not safe if they are black and unlucky enough to interact with the police. Of all the various ethnic and national groups in the United States, only black people have to worry that their child may be pushed through a glass window by officers of the law.
A recent study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology demonstrated what black people have always known. Black children are dehumanized to such an extent that they arent perceived as children at all. They are assumed to be older, less innocent and inherently guilty of some wrong doing. Study co-author Matthew Jackson said, With the average age overestimation for black boys exceeding four-and-a-half years, in some cases, black children may be viewed as adults when they are just 13 years old. Two recent cases involving the New York City police department show the truth of these words and the perils black people face even in childhood.
Black girls are also at risk of police brutality, as a 15 year-old and a 16 year-old discovered in Brooklyn, New York on March 27, 2014. An altercation between police and a group of teens resulted in one of the unidentified girls being thrown to the ground and another being pushed through a window. There is video evidence of one of the girls with a very deep cut on her face. According to witnesses, the police were not content to push her through the glass and arrest her. They also delayed in providing her with needed medical attention.
Javier Payne was already under arrest and handcuffed when a police officer shoved him through a store window.
In the Bronx, New York on May 17, 2014, a 14 year-old boy was also pushed through a window by police and came close to death. As first reported by the Juvenile Justice Information Exchange, Javier Payne was already under arrest and handcuffed when a police officer shoved him through a store window too. The police added insult to his injuries when they did not notify EMS of a pediatric emergency, instead calling in the case as if Payne were a drunken derelict. When paramedics finally arrived on the scene they pleaded for Payne to be uncuffed so that they might provide appropriate treatment.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)And, I think it's going to get a lot worse.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)alp227
(32,422 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)the ethnologist famous for his work on overpopulation.
santroy79
(193 posts)and more to do with them being from poor neighborhoods. Poor white & Spanish getting treated like crap also. Its just that a higher population of blacks come from these neighborhoods.
and lets not forget a lot of these kids come from awful families and are not raised correctly and are problem youths
morningfog
(18,115 posts)What do you mean by "lets not forget a lot of these kids come from awful families and are not raised correctly and are problem youths?"
Did you read the article?
alp227
(32,422 posts)it has less to do with them being black
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Nice try at dog whistle racism by combining that "less to do with them being black" phrase but then ending with "a lot of these kids come from awful families and are not raised correctly and are problem youths." I wouldn't have alerted if the last sentence wasn't included, because the last sentence is pretty much the same argument used by Thomas Sowell http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell041911.php3
"President Barack Obama has joined the chorus of those deploring bullying. But his own administration is pushing the notion that a disproportionate number of suspensions or other punishments for members of particular racial or ethnic groups is discriminatory. In other words, if a school suspends more black males than Asian females, that is taken as a sign of discrimination. No one in his right mind really believes that, but it is part of the grand make-believe that pervades our politics and even our courts."
Sorry. This is over-the-top, insensitive, bigoted, and also echoes right wing propagandists like Sowell. Remember, racists have done an excellent job repackaging their bigotry for polite society, from Reagan making a speech about "states' rights" in Mississippi, to Newt Gingrich's "food stamp president" quip about Obama.
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Number23
(24,544 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,380 posts)Jaw dropping incredible
Reter
(2,188 posts)n/t
alp227
(32,422 posts)There are lots of sleazy posts that don't push the limits enough for many jurors, it seems.
Reter
(2,188 posts)I felt it was not quite over the line, but damn near it.
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TBF
(33,377 posts)Orrex
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MattBaggins
(7,931 posts)Orrex
(63,756 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Where did you get that steaming pile of bullshit from?
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)the term "problem youth" is very problematic indeed.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)We're on to their dog whistles.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Orrex
(63,756 posts)I'm sure that these "problem youths" are "urban," but that has nothing to do with race, of course.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(176,520 posts)CrispyQ
(37,634 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to santroy79 (Reply #3)
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chervilant
(8,267 posts)I strongly encourage you to delete this offensive post.
MattBaggins
(7,931 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,380 posts)Are white children getting handcuffed for the same behaviors?
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)The two or three specific instances of police brutality described in the article are heinous and shocking and should result in immediate prosecution and termination for the policemen involved. That said, in typical Alternet fashion, the misleading and inflammatory headline Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Hand-Cuffed and Arrested Across the US: is supported by exactly zero specifics, zero data, and zero information to support such an outlandish claim.
Alternet might as well write: Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Abducted by Aliens Across the US:
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Are you claiming that black children as young as 5 and 6 have not been handcuffed in the US? Surely not, that would be foolish.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)The US is a populous country. Undoubtedly there are cases in which children of every conceivable racial and ethnic background have been arrested at some point or another.
That has exactly what to do with the inflammatory and unsupported title of this article? Mayhaps I missed it, but please quote the portion of the article that provides specific data and the dozens (hundreds?) of cases that support this assertion of Black kindergarten children being arrested "across the US."
morningfog
(18,115 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Maryland: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/03/30/baltimore-police-handcuff-arrest-4-children-under-age-10-at-their-school/
Georgia and New Mexico: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/child-handcuffed-for-tantrum/
California: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29830.htm
Oregon: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/05/9-year-old_led_away_in_handcuf.html
Florida: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/handcuffed-5-year-old-sparks-suit/
10 examples from various states across the country here: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rep3/young-children-brutalized-by-police.html
New York: http://nypost.com/2013/01/30/cops-handcuff-and-interrogate-boy-7-for-hours-over-missing-5-family/
The headline was accurate, the quote in the article was accurate. You are full of fail in your disruptions today. Better luck next time.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)You're posting random juvenile arrests. For example, the first link you posted was about white elementary school students lawfully arrested pursuant to a violent fight. That supports the article's headline about Black kindergartners being handcuffed across the United States... How, exactly?
The fact is that Alternet is not and has never been anything more than a tabloid. It just happens to be a tabloid designed to appeal to some of our fellow Democrats who would prefer not to use their critical thinking skills. Alternet is our version of the right winger's Brietbart or Fox News.
It is ridiculous on it's face and most of us prefer to use logic, facts and reason when we evaluate information. Alternet uses none of these. It's tabloid propaganda and we are better than that.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The content of the report is accurate. You are still bemoaning? You have yet to disprove anything in the headline or report. You are only giving us insight into your bias and motive for posting here.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)It's clear to me now. Police arresting white elementary students after a violent fight in Baltimore IS evidence of police handcuffing black kindergarten students across the United States. How could I have been so off base?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Good luck!
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JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Police arrest two young 12 year old girls in Wisconsin... Damn law enforcement is getting out of hand.
alp227
(32,422 posts)The black kids in the links scattered throughout this thread did NOTHING in comparison with what the Wisconsin girls did. Sheesh.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am not amused. Thise girls lured a girl into the woods and stabbed her nearly to death. And they are not 5 or 6. This is what they do to a black boy of that age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney
http://m.
You are really getting to the point where you are intentionally offensive.
billh58
(6,640 posts)offensive on most threads that he participates in, and his transparency page plainly shows his true motives for being on DU: to disrupt.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Maybe i am wrong but i did warn him a few days ago not to call morningfog morning frog. It's just so CC, the way they change our names to parody names. I was not aware when i alerted that he had that many hidden posts so soon and would be unable to post for a while. Maybe he'll chill on being offensive when he comes back.
billh58
(6,640 posts)and I highly suspect that he has been PPRd before. I believe that MIRT is watching him.
I let him know that there is a place called 'Discussionist' that may be suited to his needs. I have been there and i had fun for the most part.
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billh58
(6,640 posts)That was quick...
michreject
(4,378 posts)billh58
(6,640 posts)was too much to tolerate. Even with the PPR, I expect him to be back.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)billh58
(6,640 posts)also been given a free 30-day vacation to FR (or the RW site of his/her choice). This place seems to be crawling with socks and zombies lately.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)on my threads if you don't like it. that way you'll stop bothering your self.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It's hard work to be so dense while trying to play dense.
billh58
(6,640 posts)dense, but just a professional disruptor trying to make a living...
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intaglio
(8,170 posts)http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff2_1335825684
and there are other - just do your own search
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I have no idea what this thread is really about.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It links to and references this study: http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/psp-a0035663.pdf
It is obvious what it's about and it is not vague, or unsubstantiated.
Leme
(1,092 posts)and political guiding persons, PACs, and all the other slimy people trying to provide lies to America.
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They just want you to tune in and spend some time while they ply you with propaganda.
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And one can often spot a bait and switch, or an out and out propaganda... when they talk about things OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CLAIMED THEY WOULD.
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Things that seem related, and possibly are, but they talk about things OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CLAIMED THEY WOULD.
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These things that are shown on page are ok..... but not what is claimed by title. Maybe just cherry picked a sentence out of an entire article ... and then provides other information. I think it's an advertising and marketing gimmick. Just like the National Enquirer and such headlines. Should be beneath whatever dignity this site has. I am a bit ashamed such tactics are used here. Even if in a good cause.
Leme
(1,092 posts)I didn't bother to read most of the posts when I saw what was occurring with the title and lack of reference to it on this page...and that the reader was being led to a site/ page elsewhere.
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You state: .......is supported by exactly zero specifics, zero data, and zero information to support such an outlandish claim
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which is even worse than what I figured.
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thanks for standing up for integrity in posting
malaise
(275,518 posts)Men and women have money to make
marmar
(77,817 posts)Gotta get all those inner city kids prepped.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Are African-American kids being abused through use of force by authorities? Yes
Is it important to identify these instances and find ways to stop such use of force? Absolutely
Should we ignore human rights abuses because they happen here. Fuck no
We have every fucking right and obligation to bring forward information on human rights abuses anywhere. This is what I don't get about some of the people who call themselves liberals. If human rights are happening anywhere it is a crime against humanity and we should care.
Yes, there are plenty of issues that need to be dealt with in the United States, but that doesn't mean we should tell people in the rest of the world that they are shit out of luck.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)as in, the DU argument: "The US has no moral authority to talk about invasions because we're in Iraq and Afghanistan"?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Despite being dead wrong about starting two wars. Almost everyone on DU opposes those wars and I believe now the majority of Americans think the decision was a wrong one. Hindsight is 20/20. If we hadn't had a jackass for a president in 2001, things may have turned out better.
Baitball Blogger
(47,493 posts)curriculum offers them any kind of escape when they look around and see people of all ages that look like them going through the same thing?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)These are just kids, they should be treated with respect by police. There is no need to use cuffs.
If they're unruly have them sit in a group and tell them they won't be allowed to leave until they're quiet.
marmar
(77,817 posts)This so pisses me off. Angry K/R.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)existence is still pretty much what I call the "plantation code", wherein our actions are constantly being monitored and viewed suspiciously, wherein every white person seems to feel it is their responsibility to patrol us and keep a wary eye on what we're doing.
Every Black person has most likely experienced walking into a restaurant, store, etc. and had every white eye turn towards them and conversations slowly become muted. Every Black person has probably been stalked around a store at some point and I'm sure all the security cameras embedded in the ceiling are probably trained on me as soon as I walk in the door of a department store.
It's no surprise that young Black children are treated harshly by overseers (of every race) because it fits the plantation atmosphere they will experience for the rest of their lives. Despite having close relationships with many white people, I think there will always be a part of me that feels that Black people would be better off (happier and less stressed) if we lived separate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel like that all the time, my shrink thinks being black caused my anxiety attacks. Just being watched everywhere you go gets to be a burden, i feel guilty walking into Nordstroms with a platnum card and a pocket full of cash. Every 2 minutes it's ' can i help you find something?' Over and over until i just lose it a yell, 'i will let you know if i heed help, go away!'
I feel bad for white people in America in about a hundred years or so. How the people of the future will use the past to justify the backlash against the descendants of oppressors. How they will use prescidents made today to gerrymander districts to disenfranchise them as the counrty gets browner and browner. Things change, power shifts, and people do harm to others out of revenge or anger.
I sometimes think that the one drop rule that was their pride will be their downfall. It only takes one generation to make you black, one drop, how long until the majority of white folks become brown people. My husband looks white, white skin, straight hair, and will get enraged if he is called white. He does not identify with them even when his hair starts turning blond in the sun.
My uncle is white but he considers himself black because he got about one drop from my grandfather who did consider himself white, blond hair greeneyed and swears he's the blackest man on earth. He married my husbands sister and they have three blond haired, green eyed, white skinned BLACK kids. They do not consider themselves white either. One drop, ya know.
I noticed that when that kid recently went on a shooting, stabbing, driving, murder spree, many white folks here were screaming that he wasn't white, he was asian. They wont even claim their people unless they are pure white, sad really. Black people claim aaaalllll of ours even if they are half, a quarter, one drop, we do not care. If your great great great grandmother is black, welcome to the family.i think sometimes that i should tell them and help them get some perspective, but i do not bother. Better for my grandkids in the long run as they wont be as small of a minority as we are now.
Especially since there are so many mixed marriages, more kids for us to claim. I'll take em alll.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It won't be Black folks condemning ... that is not our history, that's not how we have historically rolled.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And not everyone is as enlightened as you or i. Many still judge us based solely on skin color. You even see it here with white liberals saying thing about black people like, the fathers 'leave' their children, the women have too many babies, the men don' pay child support and choose to go to jail instead. Many sweeping generalizations are made about blacks even by enlightened liberals. We have members who post black crime statistics on here to prove blacks are more likely to be criminals. If these enlightened liberals of our time are dishing out racist doctrine today, i have no idea what people may do in the future. This stuff is not hidden in peoples thoughts, they write it down and send it out into the world, never to be forgotten are the attitudes towards us today.
Maybe one day there will be enough people that have been otherized to completely level the playing field.
By the time i die the majority will be on the way to becoming a minority and once that happens their supremacy will end. They will have to scrape and scrap with the rest of us while having historically been on the side of power, once power shifts they will stop being the standard , and the winner's history they have written will not be what is taught. Manifest destiny will become the genocide of the first nations, states rights will become the rape of africa, the bill of rights will be the bill of white mens rights. They will not see America in that glorious way it was seen in the past. The pilgrims fleeing religious persecution will be seen as illegal immigrant murdering savages, and tracing your lineage back to the mayflower wont get you a hive five anymore, maybe a dirty look.
That's what i mean. Their color will no longer be something to be proud of, or lord over others, they will become just like us. But we are used to being uncomfortable in our skin, so i feel sorry for them. And the fighting tooth and nail to hold on to power and to lock us up, and investigate us and otherize everyone will be remembered in history. Every kid they slam up against a wall and search today will be there accusing, their children will hear the stories and read the history and will know. And they will know that the majority did not help, not notice, and did not care. They will read these peoples words blaming us for the things that society does to us and calling us names and slurs. I and my husband teach our kids to be kind, but what about the kids whose fathers are in jail for life for a non violent crime? Who teaches them not to seek revenge? Those kids whose dad is in jail and mom works two jobs, who teaches them not to be bitter? The kids that are called thugs and who get services cut just because they are 'urban'? What will they do when the power shifts, be magnanimous or be selfish like the majority is today? Will they vote to push others down for their own benefit like today's republican party or just say that was the past like we have been told so many times? I ponder these things all the time because i think that there will be a come to Jesus moment for the majority in about 30 years, when i get old and grey. And i don't think it will be pretty.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)NOLALady
(4,003 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)based on outward appearance since someone's genetic makeup can't be seen. There are a helluva lot of white people walking around today with some Black genes from the not-so-distant past (technically, every human has African genetics going back far enough) but have no idea those genes are there. Tiger Woods discovered that his "Cablinasian" genetics didn't count for much after Fuzzy Zoeller made the fried chicken joke about him - wake up call for Tiger lol!
The future for this country is definitely getting browner (as is the world), but I don't really think there will be much of a revenge factor when that happens. As you know, we are a very forgiving and patient people as far as the past goes, and despite hundreds of years of horrible treatment, I don't think there is a strong impulse in the Black community to get revenge for what was done to us. Now I think that many whites have a fear that eventual revenge is on the table for the future, but I think that comes from guilt (i.e., knowing you've wronged someone and fearing they want to return the favor).
I feel you on the anxiety thing - I feel that sometimes myself. There can be a whole academic industry built around studying the effects of racism and its long-term effects on Black people. It's a constant irritation and annoyance that white people simply don't have to deal with during their everyday lives.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I can't believe that I missed you.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)but have only recently started posting stuff here.
I spent a lot of my time previously debating very right-wing folk on conservative websites (like David Horowitz's Frontpage) but eventually grew tired of seeing how twisted the minds of some of those people are (and how there are some people who are NEVER going to respect you because of your skin color).
I've gotten into it with people here on international affairs, but it's nice being able to agree with others for a change! =)
redqueen
(115,164 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Welcome to DU!
Leme
(1,092 posts)Having to go to links to find where the title is supported is "sensationalism" imo.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)That it draws more attention with that framing is effective journalism.
Leme
(1,092 posts)apparently not. I didn't go to link.
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effective propaganda? perhaps.
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If he wanted to show what title said, he should have it in the paragraphs posted here... or just show the link.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)As DU posters should do. Is your problem with xchrom or alternet?
Leme
(1,092 posts)If poster wants me to spend time looking for the sensation aspect of a title, don't post a lot of other stuff... just post the link.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)exists? No problem here, none at all...
Leme
(1,092 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Namely that many black children are treated as potential (or even actual) criminals from a very early age, far more so than their white counterparts. Many white people seem to think that African-Americans are virtually born with criminal tendencies.
Leme
(1,092 posts)often do not succeed. Their integrity...and thus their agenda .. is in doubt. I seldom spend my time.
uponit7771
(91,169 posts)... confirmation bias
Not surprising this has been happening to minorities for decades, the beauty of it is now the internet that allows for the evil under-belly to be exposed. Some people are outrage as if this is new trust me it is not. IMO this is conditioning for the future residents of the prison industrial complex, its up to the kids and parents to think 1st react 2nd people need to recognize the agenda and do the exact opposite of what is expected. No more horse and carrot.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)It's also disenfranchising future voters.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)We were there to pick up an envelope from the one of the Vice principals, when a white female student was brought back to the school and to the principal's office for truancy. He stopped in front of us and said you need to go to class so you do not end up like them. He made the assumption that we were in trouble.
On another occasion I was pulled over by police and the officer ran my license and registration and said you have no warrants or record but that is because I haven't been caught yet.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)billh58
(6,640 posts)uppityperson
(115,725 posts)It is bad enough without having to resort to sensationalizing exaggerations. But if there is something about kindergarteners, please let me know as I'd like to see that. Thanks.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)is directly related to my comment here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5050708
On this:
http://www.salon.com/2012/09/10/why_i_left_the_gop/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
antiGOPin294
(53 posts)From my honest observations, it seems like racist feelings have only intensified in the past few years, and encouraged by hate media such as Fox news. And I fear things will only get worse in the future. I hope I'm wrong, though.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)of things. And those who dare to object, if black or brown, are "race baiters" while those white folks who object are called "self-loathing" (AKA the contemporary equivalent of "ni**er lover" .
Uncle Joe
(59,676 posts)Thanks for the thread, xchrom.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)outside for the way it treats its minorities AND anyone who protests these abuses of power. Because there is no chance anyone in power here is going to try to stop it. They are more likely to ENCOURAGE it.
This is child abuse, what are they so afraid of, a little kindergarten aged child, in handcuffs? There is something sick about all of it.
Parents should sue these brutal cops for child abuse. Better yet they should be arrested for child abuse, but that would require living in a civilized society so it isn't going to happen here.
And yet, we have people right here on DU who have no problem giving these thugs, not just the cops, those who hire them and give the okay to 'crack down' on the people, MORE power, the power to SPY on the American people. We know who will be targeted first with those powers.
Shameful.
valerief
(53,235 posts)billh58
(6,640 posts)defend racial hatred, and blame the victims.