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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo... Since The GOP Has Become Batshit Racist And Crazy... We Are Not Allowed To Criticize The Pres?
Is that where we are now?
Cause I'm not crazy, and being a U.S. Citizen... I get to point out ANYTHING I think is wrong with this country.
Regardless of party.
It's sort of my duty... as citizen.
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Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Obama criticism = racism shit is very annoying.
randys1
(16,286 posts)You need to understand the difference between opposing him from the left vs the right...
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and since I have been here well over ten years and have thousands of posts attesting to my liberal bonda fides, I would say it is easy to determine what direction my criticism comes.
randys1
(16,286 posts)from the right
from the right
from the right
is based in racism
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)"ALL" is a tad absolute for my tastes. I have heard some folks criticize him "from right" based on "old school" conservative views. Despite these views, they voted for him in the last election. There are a few "Rockerfeller" Republicans left about, not many, but a few.
Vey.
Nothing like hyperbole. Is this cheese or whine? Just askin'.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Can you name one... and post it here ???
WhiteTara
(31,258 posts) WillyT
(72,631 posts)Does not answer the original question.
WhiteTara
(31,258 posts)sounds to me like our board is filled with criticism
WillyT
(72,631 posts)BORING !!!
WhiteTara
(31,258 posts)I noted there is lots of criticism. Not a thing about Rah Rah or whatever else.
Thanks for opinion of me...was that to start some sort of flame war? I have no opinion of you, so you are on your own.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's a daily thing.
WhiteTara
(31,258 posts)
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
sheshe2
(97,506 posts)Without adding a qualifier!
This place reeks of Obama failure at every damn step, why is that do you think WillyT?
Many here do not have a good thing to say about this President, not ever. Why?
This President has been tossed under the bus more times than I can count. This is not about holding his feet to the fire or a criticism or two. This has gone way way beyond that.
karadax
(284 posts)Changes in how interest rates are applied to your CC balance, more time to pay your bills, prohibiting interest charges on fees. People were getting crapped on big time by CC companies. The President made sure to fix that.
Big Blunders in my mind:
1 - Not working harder to fill his cabinet and judges during the first 2 years of his Presidency. It allowed the Republicans still in place to undermine his authority easier and gunk up the process.
2 - Doubling down on Bush's method towards Education policy. Charter schools and privitization rather than strengthening the public school system.
3 - Triangulating his message to figure out what the Republicans would think is acceptable, and starting the negotiation process from there. NOTHING is acceptable to the Republicans as long as it is coming from Obama.
Number 3 is probably one of my biggest complaints on Obama.
I mean, he has done quite a few things well too.
I must admit that the ACA, even though I think he should have asked for more to begin with, still passed. It seems to be a net positive so far.
The Automotive bail out was a great thing. It has been paid back, and we still have these American auto manufacturers around and the corresponding jobs saved.
I know there are more, but those are just examples.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)Not allowed? 
Maybe he meant, "not allowed" to stand unanswered and without question?
tridim
(45,358 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
mfcorey1
(11,134 posts)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Give it a spin, see where it lands!!!!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
boston bean
(36,930 posts)and trying to make it seem like people are talking about you directly?
That is a strawman in my book.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
boston bean
(36,930 posts)and that is why you must ask this question.
ie, I agree with them sometimes, and I'm not a racist??
I'm just asking why it would be a legitimate question for you? Has someone called you a racist?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I have never voted for, nor supported, a Rpublican.
Yet as a citizen... I have criticizeed EVERY President... of both parties.
It's my right.
You disagree ???
840high
(17,196 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
840high
(17,196 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Just sayin...
sheshe2
(97,506 posts)when We The People did something good? When our President passed heath care for all!
No, it's not perfect yet it is a damn good start. Yet instead of praise for the millions that are receiving healthcare, the children that are allowed to stay on their parents policy until they are 26 and that no pre-existing condition can deny you health care, is that praised here?
No, it's not enough. He caved! He caved! He could have had single payer!!!!! Sadly there never were enough votes for that. Not ever! The damn votes were not there. People pretend that they were.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)No recs/no kicks.
Yet when I disagree with the Obama Administration, it become front page news.
Lotsa kicks.
sheshe2
(97,506 posts)What?! I haven't see many if any rah rah posts from you saying President Obama excelled in something. I miss things because I work, so maybe you did.
Yet it's all about rec's for you and not what is right? That's what you are saying? Praise sinks and no one notices or cares....
Yet when I disagree with the Obama Administration, it become front page news.
Lotsa kicks.
So you go for what sells?! Bashing Obama sells! You do this disagreement thing to get rec's and front page news? That's just sad. And please save me from an alert here, however, that sounds a lot like what GG and ES are doing. They go for what sells.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I'm not gonna go find all the dead threads I've posted in the last year or two...
But post just one criticism of the Obama Admin, and glory, hallellujah.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)He just Vanity Post outted himself.
sheshe2
(97,506 posts)
zappaman
(20,627 posts)
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm cracking up over here!!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)that calls members here racist.
boston bean
(36,930 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)do you?
boston bean
(36,930 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)This wasn't about me and your misdirection gets what it deserves.
This post states that people who criticize Obama here are "Fake liberals, many of whom are racist and can't tolerate the fact the country is led by a black man."
Not "some people" here. Many is in the quote.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)because no one has time for that BS.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)You know, like take a break from tunnel vision for a little while to do what is best in return?
WhiteTara
(31,258 posts)shh...these are cats, there will be no herding.
With blinders, one can see whatever one wants if the vision is very narrow.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)But it is our duty as American Citizens to speak up when we disagree, with the powers that be...
Example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025048962
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)What the hell do you think the RWNJ's have been doing for the last few years and for that matter the last few days? I know you are more intelligent than that statement from you.
We are a party. We have our disagreements. But when our president absolutely does the moral and correct thing and gets a shit storm from the right for doing it, don't you feel a modicum of pride and party camaraderie to set aside your differences for a day or two?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)was/is to distract from our president having absolutely done the moral and correct thing and getting a shit storm from the right for doing it, and his/her inability to feel a modicum of pride and party camaraderie to set aside his/her differences for a day or two.
But that's probably because, from what I've seen, "Democrat" is pretty far down the list of his/her political self-descriptors.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
840high
(17,196 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)"He's not a citizen - he's from Kenya!!!"
"He's a Sekrit Muslim!!! Sharia Law!!!"
"He's a Socialist - and a Fascist at the same time!!!"
"BENGHAZI!!!"
The non-stop droning of the Right Wing about, essentially, nothing but their own bizarre delusions and projections, inures the President to reasonable criticism. The effect is that he can actually DO outright crazy shit - like put U.S. citizens on secret kill lists, swarm Africa with Spec Ops troops, ramp up blanket surveillance of ordinary Americans - and nobody from the Right speaks up, because these actions fit into their view of what is acceptable.
But Democratic partisans see criticisms of these policies in the context of the manufactured batshit crazy ones, and reflexively attack the person making the criticism under the assumption that the goal behind it is the same as that behind the Right's criticism - i.e. that it is a spurious, personal attack on the President solely for Republican partisan reasons.
One must endeavor to rise above the partisan rancor in order to see the playing field for what it is.
ON EDIT: This behavior is on display below, in the post titled "You're welcome to go to Freepland and criticize all you want." The equation of criticism with Freeper motives.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the President has done/is attempting to do/has not done, objectionable.
Apparently, this is a daily thing for you ... even if you can't find anything, in particular or timely, you seem to be able, and comfortable, posting something like this.
Have at it
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)meantime.
Number23
(24,544 posts)
blue neen
(12,465 posts) JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)
JI7
(93,575 posts)more than a democrat .
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)His posts that are supportive of this president (though I haven't seen any of them) don't get "Rec'd" or Kicked" ...
That's a rare moment of DU/Internutz honesty.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)WillyT
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Phlem
(6,323 posts)That's why this country was formed in the first place. This Victorian era push towards ignorance is ludicrous. Again, why are we destroying education?
So society can be easily manipulated. 
FFS.
Don't give up Willy, there are plenty of people who can see the big picture.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And nobody called you racist.
Is this like the thing where you say something using free speech and criticize the prez and then somebody disagrees with you using free speech and then you get mad and pretend your free speech was violated by someone else using theirs to criticize your criticism?
I think it is.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
So far.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's just that all of the Obama super criticizers use the same language, similar talking points, jokes about his supporters and go after him with such zeal that it looks bad.
I mean most democrats support the president, but if one were to only have DU as a frame of reference one would think he were the worst president ever.
It always amazes me when i log on after slumming it around the net and reading righter leaning sites, how many anti Obama posts are published here and how many recs they get. Combine that with the lack of Colored people, and the shockingly negative attitudes towards us from some posters, the racist posts that make it through the jury and the support the posters receive and you have an ugly picture. That is the problem. We look like them on the surface.
People here spew anger and criticisms towards him, never appreciate his efforts, are nasty to colored people and love libertarian policies. Racism is alive and well in the democratic party and it shows through and there is quite a bit of it here. Why do you think so many black posters have quit DU by writing GBCW posts and thats many more have just given up in disgust? I know why. I see it all the time here.
I think you will find your answer in my post if you look hard enough. When a person starts sounding like a racist, they start getting treated like one. It's not you in particular necessarily just the whole vibe of this place.
For a site dedicated to the Democratic party this place is low on posters that make up much of the base of the party; minorities and women should be here in force. But they are not, this place is not very welcoming to minorities.
As a black woman it is very painful to watch my own party trash the first president i have ever voted for on a daily bases, getting to the point where personal insults with foul language written about him here gets a round of applause and many recs. I feel like the party members here have thrown him under the bus and me right along with him if i support him. Call me an Obamabot or a bogger if you will. I am used to being ridden roughshod over by society, all i ask is that you all give him credit when he does something good. Bu that does not happen. It majes me wonder if that is the first and last president i will vote for, i am nearly at the point where i don't care anymore. Fine trash him daily and then when the next election comes up and your candidate is running, i wont be excited for you. It's whatever now.
blue neen
(12,465 posts)I'd like to recommend this post! 
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I've seen many posts that should be ops.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And I'd rather have him than McCain, or Romney.
I guess I had higher hopes than Hope and Change, as a slogan.
It's not that he's been bad... it just that I had hopes for so much more.
I've been told I was expecting a pony.
Not really, I Just Wanted Jusice: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025048962
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That's scary as hell for this black woman who has lived her life with qualifiers. I just got the i can't believe she's that smart, she probably cheated type nonsense. And the having to me twice as good to get the same praise as the melanin challenged peers near me. Having my good qualities overlooked and minimized and my bad ones magnified. The part that pissed me off the most was that the people doing it never admitted to doing it, or even noticed that it was happening. The expectation level you have for him is limitless, he is not limitless.
"One of my life rules is that nothing is good or bad unless compared to something else."
Hannah Reinnier, Palindrome 656
When i look at the president i compare him not to my expectations, but to the other option we actually had. You should try that. It fucking works so damn good and helps me reality test.
When i see an issue and analyze his decisions i ponder what Rmoney would have done in his place and try to decide which is the better option. There is no black and white in this nation of idealists built on the misery of others. Our whole history is grey.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/21/obama-cant-win-with-some-black-critics/
I don't necesarily agree... yet I'm not black.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And I agree with him.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)which is what happens when compares to the other option. Where will our future lead us following such logic and what depravity can be framed as "lesser evil" under such a paradigm?
I compare to the need and to what is written in my heart not to the most vile piece of shirt a bunch of delusional, theocratic, institutional racists can attempt to foist on the country they can half ass sell on TV?
A 50% on a test doesn't become acceptable and even good because someone else can't even be bothered to jot down their name and the date.
Rmoney is not in any possible consideration for my vote, I'm happy to write in Daisy Duck instead of that garbage.
I'm not going to tolerate using radical and extreme avarice and utter stupidity to frame a lot of undesirable and some unacceptable as an alternative. No way, things are way too far gone for such foolishness. We can't play that game for long and have a future of any worth.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's the flowery prose, it could mean anything.
I do not know what is written in your heart or the hearts of the rest of America, but i do know one thing, we had two options to choose from if we wanted our vote to go towards electing a president. My old boss used to write in Mickey mouse. I considered her an idiot. She did it so that she would be able to whine no matter who got elected, guilt free.
You can compare the president to your heart or your imagination if you please, but that is amazingly innefective since he is not omnicient and will not be able to read thereof.
I compare him to the other option because i am a reality based person.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)the depths the worst of the worst are willing to sink to the point it dooms you to the direction you seek to avoid and makes you a willing and eager warrior against what you believe as long as the wicked are willing to sink lower and the alternative is willing to chase them.
I don't see what is hard to grasp about this concept, you are openly stating that you can become an ardent supporter of Jim Crow as long as the alternative is slavery. Slavery becomes dandy when the alternative is genocide.
There is almost always a worse to be had and the logic gives too much an excuse for politicians supposedly on our side to do whatever they please as long as it is arguably more palatable than the ship the delusional, theocratic, shitheels can peddle and at times what the worse we can imagine they might come up with.
I can't go there and that is based on reality, the scope, gravity, and depth of our problems don't allow it and pursuit of such would all but prohibit any practical tools to make any substantial difference in trajectory.
I don't share your faith that one day demographics will shift and bring in an Age of Aquarius, there is no magic and no demographic franchise on greed, stupidity, shortsightedness, or ignorance. Human history and physics are not your friends there and certainly there is little magic to be had almost anything that happens ever is an effort not just what happens with time.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)base of the party" And they seem blissfully unaware of this. They seem to think women and POC are the minority. Funny how that works.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They don't even notice that there are only a few of us. And they are not bothered by the fact that we feel unwelcome and are treated as lesserdems.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)The Democratic Party, is going through the same self-examination as the Republican Party.
We have to reaffirm what it is we stand for.
JI7
(93,575 posts)President and many other Democrats.
the point is that DU does not represent the actual Party. there is hostility to race issues and other issues important to the party like women's rights on DU .
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)September 14, 1960
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal," and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.
In short, having set forth my view -- I hope for all time -- two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:
I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.
Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.
Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.
Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children's development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union's future, and their country's future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children's time, suburb by suburb.
Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn't make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.
In Winston Churchill's words, "We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist."
And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.
This is an important election -- in many ways as important as any this century -- and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort. The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.
I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.
Some pundits are saying it's 1928 all over again. I say it's 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.
Link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/jfk-nyliberal/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)reality- patry wise- they are not?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nothing.
Now we get a copy paste article that doesn't really answer anything.
I wish i knew what was going on here.
I feel like i'm Matt Dillahunty on a Sye Ten thread.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)thoughts, and they don't need our pretty little heads to worry about it- because it'll be another Camelot! Any you know the ladies and POC dig that the most.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hate nostalgic moments. I imagine myself as i would be living in their nostalgic 1960's fantasy world; scrubbing floors as a maid housekeeper or as an entertainer in an all black club, getting that back alley abortion and dying on the step of an all white hospital from blood loss and lack of medical attention since they just didn't treat colored at the white hospital. Ah, the delights of those happy golden years!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Just like right now, a minute ago. DU does not have a problem with women or minorities. Nothing to see here, move along.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025056613
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
It's like when white liberals drone on about the days of FDR.
Ask any black person if they want to return to the 1930's.
Hell naw!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They just know how good it would be for them and if somebody has to sacrifice anything it wont be them.
Yay!!! Let's go back to the sixties and pay that hell over again!! No thanks. I like my IUD and voting.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)But I want the new FDR to be modern liberal Democrat in treatment of minorities and women. I wouldn't want to go back to the 1930s treatment of my gender, anymore than I want to go back to the 1930s treatment of your race.
I think that many here who praise FDR think the same way--they want FDR's principles on the economy, jobs and policies that help regular people from all groups, but don't want any return to the social mores and prejudices of the 1930s.
Perhaps those of us who praise FDR need to make that more clear--his policies applied to all and not a return to the past for women and minorities, including but not limited to race, gender, ethnic origin, religion and sexual preference.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
Thank you.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)I'm glad that I could be helpful.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)I remember the 1960s. JFK had great ideas but it's also clear that it took LBJ (who knew where a lot of Senate bodies were buried and was ruthless enough to use them when it suited him) to get a lot of the legislation of that era passed.
Certainly I don't want to return to the days before the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, when a woman's place was in the home barefoot and pregnant and certainly not in the House or Senate, and LGBT Americans were hiding in the back of their closets. And that's just off the top of my head.
Great post upthread, BTW. This white woman applauds you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It is frustrating.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)And minorities and women are some of the most dependable Democratic voters. I know that I have been one since my first presidential vote in 1968.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Where sledom is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day.
and they deeply resent anything or anyone that is not in line with their boosterism.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)'seldom is heard a discouraging word' does not exist here compared to the cheers and recs for 'Obama is a piece of shit used car saleman, fuck him'.
Who are you kidding? Think we can't read or have memories?
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Think this is a moment of inadvertent honesty... it's clear you criticize the man, not his policies now. Thanks for admitting it.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Those haters ???
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Everytime you (and others like you) are called out on attacking The President for who he is, you (and others like you here) say it's valid criticism about the policy. So which is it? Do I believe those words or the words in your OP?
If I wanted to read bullshit disrespect for the man, I would go to plenty of other sites. Seeing it here is bullshit and you know it.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Not a chance.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Glad I can give you entertainment.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)You are simply proving what most of us already know... that you (and others like you) find it entertaining to troll this place with your hate for the President. That fact that you find it funny is telling enough.
No wonder you get blocked from posting so often.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I must have blacked out or something, do you have any recollection of us talking previously? I know your name, but can't recall.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
I see criticism of him here every single day.
Where the hell have you been?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)But when I see criticism that I feel is unwarranted, I will respond.
It's called a discussion board, Willy.
Deal with it.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Because I've been called a racist, and much worse....
just because I've criticized the President.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The teleprompter attack is a right wing racist meme. Essentially the meme is that the black guy isn't smart and he just reads what white people feed him through the teleprompter.
It's incredibly racist. The toon you posted was created by a known right winger.
Previous presidents have never been relentlessly attacked like that for using a teleprompter.
If you still don't think it's racist, I would encourage you to come to the African American forum so you can have a more lengthy discussion about it with African Americans on DU.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That would still not back the assertion made in your op in any way.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And never ones that discuss policy or economics. Why do you think that is?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Tell those naughty democrats that *scoff* support the president *sticks nose in air mightily high*
that they can't hang in policy discussions.
( nobody tell him that 'BOGers' discuss policy and economics everyday, he's riding a Horse of lofty height)
Bobbie Jo
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bobduca
(1,763 posts)Not enough meme gifs / roffle waffles from that poster!!!
Must be one of those internet tough guys who like to think they're superior to other DU'ers for some inexplicable reason.
eta: just because....
We must shun them with our animated gifs!
Bobbie Jo
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Just for you! Happy shunning.
Nice shoes.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
bobduca
(1,763 posts) BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I have yet to see a BOGer write an OP saying something must be changed during this administration. I'd love to get humbled by blue links, but the standard reply, "I don't always agree with the President" hardly bears itself out.
Above you state he's not perfect and merely compare him to the possible Republican that could have won. That's an extremely low bar that not all of us *who voted for him twice* use. And, as has been pointed out to the BOG many times, discussing policies we do not agree with or wish to see changed is not "bashing". But that never seems to come across. Instead, lifelong Democrats are treated to screeches of ODS! Paulites! Haters! and the most hilarious to me, Racists!
It's the puerile howling and mewling to get everyone to fall in line that bristles. And yes, there's a lot more of that plus high fives about memes, swooning over family photos, and basic complaining about all the people talking about policy and economics than actual discussion of policy and economics.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)You seem more concerned with DU'ers and their posting habits, than any actual discussion relating to policy issues.
Gratuitous, condescending call outs don't make you look any more righteous or deserving of respect than those you are attacking. In fact, it looks downright petty and obnoxious to me.
So don't let a few DU'ers deter you in your quest to discuss policy and important issues. I can't say I'm familiar with you at all, ( looks like you're relatively new) but no doubt I've missed a number of your hard-hitting policy OP's. I look forward to seeing your work!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts) Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)You seem confused.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)your "work."
Clicked the link, sorry to say....
I don't take this particular poster seriously anymore. Got anything else?
PS...save the condescension. I assure you, I'm quite competent.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)are doing it for clicks and attention. They stab at an imaginary hornets nest, again and again, and whine about the consequences.
All this weird talk about lock step anything makes me laugh. That is some delusional stuff right there.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)to keep up with around here these days.
Yeah, blatant hypocrisy has always been one of my goat-getters.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)to be summarily dismissed (if I alert) along with five others in the hosts forum. Even though I don't think I have ever posted there, or complained about people bashing Obama. I have been wandering around trying to figure out what group us six might possibly be seen to be a part of. Still scratching my head over hosts having such distain for alerters!
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)I don't post in the BOG, yet I've been referred to a such more than a few times.
I read the the BOG at least once a week. (I read a lot of other groups too).
Some folks think it's cute to throw insults at these folks, I think it's incredibly stupid, and I'll say so on occasion.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)Expressing support or even liking a Democratic President on a Democratic board is just plain lame!
I wish the admins would get rid of that group since it doesn't make sense to have a group that likes our Democratic President!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)have to acknowledge that it is an historic presidency, and it's natural for people to want to celebrate that.
There are a lot of groups I think are "not for me" as we say, but variety is the spice of life, you know? Doesn't hurt me a bit, and I do not get the hate expressed here. It;s like the SJW thing, I have to shake my head to see that become a perjorative here. I thought BOG wa some werd outside organization for a long time. Derp!
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)just as the other groups under the subhead Democrats have been around for a while. The most recent creation is the Elizabeth Warren Group.
I figure that I'm suspect because I'm a host of the Barack Obama Group. "BOG" used as an epithet seems condescending and redolent of slimy swampy places with foreboding music playing in the background. It's a damn shame that members are told they should post anything supportive of the president in "The BOG". Perhaps some feel threatened by the existence of this group?
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)zappaman
(20,627 posts)But the host you are referencing certainly can't stand that group so...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a bit from that. ( And we will work you over till you are "one of us! one of us!"
Bernie, 23 and you realy throw me as to what the connection could be. Maybe that's because Geek T is such a frequent poster I feel like everyne "knows" them, sort of. But us three, plotting an authoritatian takover of DU? Pretty friggen weird.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)because I don't rah rah ES or GG.
But the host who loves to accuse me of that has a sort of "authoritarian" version of Tourette's Syndrome.
Seems to use that term in EVERY SINGLE POST.
Perhaps you are one too?
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sounds like some Hosts shouldn't be Hosts.
Sid
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)(and I do for sexist or racist slurs, quite often) and also imagining them to be in "groups" or "swarms" who they deem unworthy of having their alerts even considered. If they get a lot of alerts on one thread, they imagine it is a coordinated attack- instead of a potentially problematic thread. I originally thought that the "group" they imagined me to be in was women or POC (ain't it ironic to deprive us of a say!) , but zappaman and Bernie Mc Coy are in it.... so I am guessing it is non- fanboys of Greenwald? I am still trying to figure it out. I guess I have to eliminate feminists and BOGers, two groups who seem to bother many of the hosts.
But, I called cowbells, and zappaman the zither, so it's all good- even if we are treated by hosts as 2nd class citizens here.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)Who would have thought?!?!?!
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)are they for individual posts? I am not sure- I never look at who is doing what here. hmmm.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)TOS alerts that go to juries are anonymous so that members can't harass the alerters.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)not see the name of the alertees too. That matters to SOME hosts, they have admtted it openly.
Too much of a popularity contest.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)since jurors have the ability to read the alerted post in context. It's definitely a popularity contest, I've seen that many times in juror comments such as the hyperbolic "XXX saved me on the Titanic, no way I'm going to hide his post". That was an actual juror comment I saw recently.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)just wish people would be consistent about content. I think Skinner went wrong when he said some X is okay for GD, but when it gets too much, then you can lock. That leads to all sorts of bad feelings, and confusion on top of the onslaught of copy cats.
Even the SOP mens little these days- whining about DU becomes "discussing the discussion" unless you are disliked by the right people.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)Seems to me that Admin wrote the SOPs for a reason. They seem to be going up in smoke, though, due to extremely loose interpretations. To me, they are quite clear.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)hide anything. It appears the sole reason they signed up was to prevent any moderation here at all. DU has really lowered it;s standards a great deal, and I'm not seeing much of an upside.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)If you've ever seen members (me included) use the terms "Fuck Ron Paul" or "FRP", that's MIRT-speak for libertarians. A while back, EarlG banned someone with "Fuck Ron Paul" as the reason and the term has stuck. I've used it myself while on MIRT.
IMO, "free speech" doesn't mean anyone should say whatever crosses their mind, even if it's offensive to others. Too many here have forgotten that. I can't imagine volunteering for any job with the intention of doing nothing. It should be approached on a case-by-case basis.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)no matter what rule it flies in the face of. Same people will claim OPs whining about alerts are fine, if they agree with poster and post. Otherwise it is shut down. Free seech for me, but not for thee is crap. Moderation makes a place like DU better, we have 95% of the net for garbage. Du has lost it's way.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)And Skinner has said more than once that Meta in GD should be shut down "ruthlessly".
Whining about alerts/locks/hides belongs in AtA, where there will be little sympathy most of the time. Apparently more attention is paid in GD, but then there's more whining when someone gives an answer that the complainer feels doesn't provide the proper amount of support. And don't even get me started on what happens when someone posts right-wing crap! It's really easy to check sources -- and should be done before posting and creating a shitstorm.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)instructed them to be ruthless about anything. He trusted hosts to apply common sense and lock when people are obviously being disruptors or parroting RW or racial slurs, but the group has brainwahsed themselves into thinking that doing nothing is better.
It's only better for the disruptors. It's not lock step- it's about shared values.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)The parroting or RW and racial crap seem (to me, at least) to have arrived about the same time as libertarianism. Disheartening at the very least.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It will be interesting to see how badly they slam candidates when we get closer to the presidential, and if the hosts are going to be willing to stop people from sliming Dems with RW candidates. Signs point to no.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)And not 29 months away with no candidates announced yet and not likely to be until after the mid-terms. It seems as if very few members know that there's ano election this coming November.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)just the personality in the White House?
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)This thread needed just a bit more gratuitous condescension.
It's tough to strike the right balance, but you pulled it off nicely.
JI7
(93,575 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)something tht would interest angsty young teens. This OP about getting clicks and attention. Oy vey, I do not get it.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)poor thang, all of us holdin' ya back from yer dooty...
FSogol
(47,613 posts)
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts) 
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)There's a huge difference between "people on the internet
are disagreeing with me" and not "being allowed" to criticize. This is an exercise in hyperbolic nonsense.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You criticize the President daily, yet claim you are not allowed to. Fact completely shut your whole argument down before it is even made.
Please note: I think much of your criticism of the president is spot on. I am just taking issue with the position in your op. It is clearly false. I also want to make sure you understand that in a free society, even with limits, you have no duty to criticize anything or any one. I do think it is important, but a duty in no way.
"So... Since The GOP Has Become Batshit Racist And Crazy... We Are Not Allowed To Criticize The Pres?"
False equivalency.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)the terrorists win.
ETA: It's sad but I used to use the same snarky line when shrub was in office...
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Your confession will be taken there.
randome
(34,845 posts)
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WillyT
(72,631 posts)
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Then, open to discussion.
If there is a question about appropriateness, we should question intent.
Hiding and banning without discussion is not a democratic value.
babylonsister
(172,749 posts)
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)validating you or protecting your self-esteem. You are free to say whatever you like and we are free to respond in kind
Zorra
(27,670 posts)is defined as the foolish or excessive adulation for an individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_worship
A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and at times, worshipful image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as "charismatic authority". A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda usually by the state, especially in totalitarian states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
Using the unquestionable sanctity of a charismatic leader as a propaganda device to convince gullible people to believe in your political agenda has been around almost as long as the human race.
Some people are natural born followers, and can fall so deeply "in love" with a personality that they will go so far as to suspend their code of ethics to yield to the whims and agenda of their respective hero without question.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)
MineralMan
(151,210 posts)Now, you may get some negative replies in your threads, but that's DU for you.
I think your strategy is allowed here, though, from all appearances. Please proceed Mr. Willy...