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[Corruption Inc]

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[Warren Stupidity]

1. Old white guys voting enmasse for conservative fuckheads make tackling corruption impossible.

[Nye Bevan]

2. Didn't the old white guys want Romney to be president?

I guess they don't always get what they want.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. They don't. But they certainly aren't helping.

And 2010 was an angry white suburban male disaster of an election. We get one of those in a presidential year and we are screwed.

[AverageJoe90]

4. True, true.

Now, to be fair......many of the corrupt officials are indeed white men.....mainly WASP men at that. But it's not all white guys. You've got Allen West & Condi Rice, too. And Susana Martinez in New Mexico.

[VanillaRhapsody]

5. "To be fair"......

that's the whole fucking point!

It's even a double entendre' and and true for both...

And to top it off....you make that statement...that one....that one right ^^^^^ there....and are the same guy that a week ago couldn't agree that White Male Privilege exists!

Unfuckingbeliveable!

[AverageJoe90]

9. Somehow, I get the impression that you missed the point.....although that'd be more charitable......

than the alternative, to be frank. First of all, I said NOTHING about "privilege" in this post of mine.....in fact, I still don't believe in (collective) privilege anyway. I haven't for a good while now. And I still was perfectly willing to state what IS an obvious truth.....that wealthy white men do make up a good portion of the criminal elite. No belief in "white privilege" required for that, VR. You know it as well as I do.

[AngryAmish]

6. Sorry, no, it is white people.

[retread]

7. Yeah right.

[PowerToThePeople]

8. Numbers

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

My math says this

Cauc male total BO % - .34*.35 = 11.9%
All AA BO vote % - .13*.93 = 12.09%
Male AA BO vote - .05*.87 = 4.35%
Female AA BO Vote - .08*.96 = 7.68%

The one that stands out here is
Cauc Female BO % - .38*.42 = 15.96%

I do see that whites overwhelmingly sided with the scum repuke, but remember that 39% of us voted for President Obama. That is a LOT of people to throw out with the bath water.

[retread]

12. You look at those dismal numbers and talk about throwing people out

with the bath water. I look at them and say WTF is wrong with white people!! Quit making people DRINK
your bath water.

[PowerToThePeople]

13. considering he only got 51% of the total vote

the 29% Caucasian vote was over half of his total votes.

[woo me with science]

10. THANK YOU.

K&R

[Enthusiast]

11. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[Le Taz Hot]

14. Shhhh!

You're going to ruin somebody's week with that kind of crazy talk.

[Bobbie Jo]

15. Another dismissive lecture

with a little Goebbles thrown in for good
measure.

Yes, white guys....you're oppressed too.

This is starting to look like some sort of twisted competition. The whole "it's about class" narrative is incredibly dismissive and self-centered.

What about meeeeeeeee?

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. K&R

The mysterious reason why people managed to come together in a big way now and then, to actually get some things done when us old people were younger:

(Notice btw, that this is a black group, and nobody is making them sing this song, it's one of their own, expressing what they wanted to say.)

[Eleanors38]

17. If those promoting "old white guys" as the problem could receive unlimited coverage...

for their views from MSM, and not be stuck in the confines of DU, would they convince the LESWORMs of the errors of their collective way, and turn the tide favorably toward more liberal/progressive actions; harden the LESWORMs into current voting patterns; or cause older white males to intensify their voting patterns?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. LESWORMs ... ?

French worms or what

[Eleanors38]

19. Back in the day...

liberal white activists were often rebuffed by "community activists" as liberal, straight, white, racist males. A sort of 1-2-3-4-5 punch to discredit them.

As years have gone by, the rather pithy and awkward expression has had to be updated to include "older," which makes it ripe for an efficient acronym: LESWORM.

[BainsBane]

27. No one can convince others to care about people other than themselves

That requires a certain capacity for compassion and empathy that cannot be instilled by any media. I would think that people who don't listen to acquaintances are unlikely to take more seriously what comes out of a TV set. But who knows?

For that scenario you describe to transpire, society would have to be structured differently. Wealth would not be concentrated in the hands of the few, who are not coincidently overwhelmingly white and male. Corporations would not be owned entirely by white men, and power would not be wielded almost exclusively by white men. People would be educated and socialized differently, and they would grow up less resistant to ideas of inclusion. If the word were not based on race, class, and gender inequality, people would not be so invested in keeping the majority of the population down for the benefit of themselves. Race is of course the last vestige of power, and has been since the late-17th century. No matter how poor a man was, he at least was not black, and that mattered a great deal. That basic phenomenon has sadly not changed, as all these posts crying bout "leave white men alone" demonstrate.

So given the nature of the society we live in where whiteness and maleness carries a great deal of privilege, even absent economic wealth, I think not. Too many people appear to be invested in keeping the majority of the population subjugated in whatever ways they can. For some their power is minimal, limited to working to shut people up online and drive them off a message board, but they guard it carefully. I have learned more about the performance of white privilege online than anywhere, especially observing people cry persecution that someone dares utter the word privilege. That they feel entitled to control speech and thought shows just how intractable their privilege is.

[Eleanors38]

32. In short, a revolution is needed to change outlooks. While the reasoning is

somewhat circular, I tend to agree with your ultimate assessment. I note this 66-yr-old fart with <$900/mo SS, a 20-yr-old delivery van, and sagging, leaking house has no interest in "controlling speech and thought." Hell, I'm lucky the barrista at the coffee house can hear my omnipotent commands (pretty please?) for another Lone Star.

[BainsBane]

22. Let's instead promote the false equivlency that black people control the levers of power

because what matters is not bringing about change but making sure old white men go through life without feeling a moment's discomfort, and if that means silencing the majority of the population, all the better. Pretend to care about power while flexing it in a way that you dismiss the lives and views of the majority of people on the planet. Now that's how to sow division. Get the rabble to keep their mouths shut, and only speak about what you allow them to.

This isn't about unity. It's about obedience to your world view and compelling the majority of the population to submit to your will. If you want to make sure inequality continues to dominate this society, continue to deny the importance of race. That is a key philosophy of the right, and the White Supremacists have ensured that white people now believe themselves more subject to racism than people of color. Such ideas work to perpetuate inequality. That is their purpose and function. Ignoring racism doesn't make it go away. It only worsens it, like tooth decay.

[Eleanors38]

23. So do you have an answer to my question?

[BainsBane]

28. Answered in the wrong spot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5069869

[Eleanors38]

33. Saw it. Thanks.

[BainsBane]

20. Two isn't a few

Your effort at a false equivalence is ridiculous. The fact is power is wielded by white men in our society. To pretend otherwise is a blatant distortion of reality. You might as well say the poor control government since there are one or two people who weren't born wealthy who serve office. It is completely and absolutely false.

Your version of politics is akin to the antiquated great man theory of history. You are concerned only what happens at the very top of society. That is your right, but to denounce people who care about politics with a small p and the population more broadly only shows your own myopia. The fact is, racism and gender-based violence affect far more people than Cheney, Bush, and Rice every will. The difference is there isn't a convenient scapegoat to blame it on, and you don't seem to think the people affected matter enough to even be discussed.

You can rail all day about putting a "few black people on trail" (when you can only name two). It's never going to happen because you have no power to make it happen, and I suspect you have given no thought to the legal theory or jurisdiction for such a case. What this is about is an outlet for your anger. Fine. Rail way. You are entitled to vent in anyway you choose. But you don't get to control what others care about. People are allowed to hold thoughts that are not controlled by you. Your you think people should do so demonstrates precisely what people who talk about problems inherent in white privilege are getting at.

I for one and sick to death of being told what I am allowed to think and post about. There exists a world outside of yourself. Stop trying to impose your sensibilities on every one else.

[Eleanors38]

24. Haven't seen you in the Gungeon for a while. Things going well?

[BainsBane]

29. Had enough of the charade

besides, everyone there is over at Discussionist now.

[Eleanors38]

34. Discussionist is kind of underwhelming. I have checked in

a few times, but have seen few enlightening debates; its like the hundred and tenth mimeographed copy of DU.

[Waiting For Everyman]

30. "But you don't get to control what others care about."

And you continue...

"People are allowed to hold thoughts that are not controlled by you."

WTF are you talking about? Where do you get off with this "control" stuff you repeatedly accuse people of here on DU? WTH does that mean?

And you say it again...

I for one and sick to death of being told what I am allowed to think and post about.

Really??? Who is telling you what to think and post about? And "allowed" again? What is up with this kind of rhetoric? You use it all the time, and it's very odd, to say the least. DU deserves an explanation for it by now. Are you under some misimpression that you are being held against your will in some parochial school somewhere?

If you think someone is controlling you and what you post, that would logically have everything to do with the grievances you always seem to think you have here.

Let me assure you... Nobody is controlling you, and nobody is controlling what you post. Nobody is INTERESTED in controlling you, or your thoughts, or your posts. We have "Trash Thread" and "Ignore", thankfully, we can adequately defend ourselves from your posts that we don't want to look at, so there's no need to control you. Or for that matter, we can log off if need be.

What I'm saying in a roundabout way is... "don't flatter yourself!" so much. It's a bit excessive. (that was understatement)

[ananda]

21. It's both.

..

[Autumn]

25. A big part of it.

Recommended.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. No worries

The Koch Brothers are coming for young, black, affluent America. Go ahead and smirk if you must - but it's true. So are their fellow dominionists. They are hitting the HBCU and Churches first. Look around - it's begun.

[woo me with science]

31. kicking. CORRUPTION.

[woo me with science]

35. kick

[woo me with science]

36. kick