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Former U.S. terror czar Richard Clarke (shown), who resigned in 2003, dropped two bombshell statements about the Bush administration he served during a recent TV interview. First, he said, former President George W. Bush and then-Vice President Dick Cheney probably perpetrated what amounts to war crimes surrounding the unconstitutional attack on Iraq. While plenty of Americans on all sides of the political spectrum might be inclined to agree, Clarke went even further. He suggested the duo could be prosecuted by the dictator-dominated United Nations at the global bodys self-styled International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague.
Clarke was fairly blunt when asked whether he thought war-crimes charges should be brought against Bush, Cheney, and then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes, the former U.S. terrorism czar for Bill Clinton and George W. Bush said in an interview with Amy Goodman of the progressive Democracy Now TV program."
http://independentfilmnewsandmedia.com/un-could-prosecute-bush-for-war-crimes-says-ex-u-s-terror-czar/
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)I won't hold my breath waiting for justice for these incompetent criminals.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)OverseaVisitor
(296 posts)Bar get lower and never got fix.
Bad example. Bad direction. Bad result.
Where do we go from here?
Being a straight downward path to the bottom since then.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)According to the ICC charter after a threshold of member nations signed on than ALL NATIONS fell under it's jurisdiction.
That happened just after the invasion of Iraq and Bush's lawyers told him that since courts can't prosecute for lawbreaking prior to a law going into effect...(but fuck Bush's lawyers)
This is why they were in such a panic about the torture.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Israel, Sudan, Iraq and the US, as best I can recall, probably missing a few. I was appalled when GW Bush, the war criminal, 'unsigned' the US from the treaty.
Agree, fuck the bush's lawyers.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Response to damnedifIknow (Original post)
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OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)jumped out at me.
"Independentfilmnewsandmedia.com." Hmmm...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)is the best justice gets in terms of its independence.
tritsofme
(17,618 posts)Absent a Security Council recommendation, which could be vetoed by the US. So this is generally not correct.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)n/t
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pardons by Pres O???
JI7
(89,404 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Dont you agree that Pres O will pardon the bastards?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)prosecution. They have already been found guilty in one court, although the jurisdiction in that court is in question.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-bush-convicted-in-absentia-it-s-official-george-w-bush-is-a-war-criminal/30839
tritsofme
(17,618 posts)The US and Iraq are not members of the International Criminal Court, so it does not have ordinary jurisdiction, the case would have to be referred by the Security Council, where the US holds a veto. So your statement that he has no power in the situation is not correct, the US president has quite a bit of power over international law and institutions.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And the President has no power to pardon them.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-bush-convicted-in-absentia-it-s-official-george-w-bush-is-a-war-criminal/30839
tritsofme
(17,618 posts)As I explained above, the president has an effective veto over Americans being sent to the ICC.
Volaris
(10,330 posts)The issuance of a presidential pardon is sort of like the Forgiveness of Sins lol, inherent to the ACCEPTING of the pardon is the acknowledgement of the pardoned persons that INDEED, crimes were comitted. It would be fun to see if any of them are smart enough to say "well I didn't accept the President's Pardon, why would I need to I did nothing wrong."..
I bet only Tricky Deck Cheney would be slippery enough to try it. The rest are just too dumb.
And that's something that can get printed in every history textbook until the end of time.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)would condemn the war criminals and ask Iraq and the world to forgive us.
Volaris
(10,330 posts)Cause Cheney will be the first one to keel over, and the outright screaming tantrum of the rest would reveal a good deal lol...
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... about the ICC. But I do know that GWB did not sign on as a signatory of it when he was in office (I think it was just before GWB Adm invaded Iraq.) I distinctly remember a press conference where he pooh-poohed International Law & the ICC. I knew right then why he didn't want nothing to do with International Law or International Criminal Court. Because the USA is above the "Law." And he was getting ready to go on a world-law-breaking tirade.
This article is not keen on the ICC, International Law, the United Nations, Richard Clarke or Amy Goodman and Democracy Now. Alex Newman, the author (as well as the benign sounding "Independent Film News and Media" and "The New American" is a vehement right winger, or at least someone who is gung-ho for the military industrial complex (probably a chicken-hawk, himself, as they all are.) If anyone wants to know the truth of what Richard Clarke said, go to http://www.DemocracyNow and check last week's shows for the transcript of the interview.
Ha! The dude calls the ICC a "Kangaroo Court"! The only grandaddy of Kangaroo Courts is the USG. It investigates itself and finds itself innocent every time!
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)it was a multi-national effort. I don't see the UN doing any prosecution.
indepat
(20,899 posts)such war criminals quiver at the thought of going before the ICC even if in absentia.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Mike Nelson
(10,054 posts)...our government, including Democrats, have chosen to ignore their crimes.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Was that even necessary?
Rex
(65,616 posts)America never makes mistakes.