Erin Burnett CALLS OUT Paul Bremer After HE TRIES TO BLAME Obama Administration For Debacle In Iraq

[Segami]

"..Former Bush Iraq envoy Paul Bremer wasn't having such an easy time making the rounds on our cable news channels this Monday..."

"Aren't You The 'ONE' Who Got Us Into This Mess?."..........





First Mark Halperin and now Erin Burnett. I think hell may have just frozen over. Former Bushie and Iraq envoy Paul Bremer wasn't having such an easy time with the Villagers this Monday while making the rounds in the media and attempting to blame the deteriorating situation in Iraq entirely on the Obama administration.


Erin Burnett Grills Paul Bremer on Iraq: ‘Aren’t You the One Who Got Us into This Mess?’:

Bremer penned an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal under the headline “Only America Can Prevent a Disaster in Iraq,” in which he argued for some form of U.S. troops on the ground there. After 4,490 American lives lost and $1.7 trillion spent, Burnett asked him, “How can you advocate any more people, any more lives going to risk for that country?”

“Because it’s in our interest,” Bremer responded matter-of-factly, going to elaborate that the U.S. cannot allow Iraq to become a home base for terrorists like those that constitute the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

Taking on the role of the skeptical viewers, Burnett asked Bremer, “Aren’t you the one who got us into this mess?” She confronted Bremer with video from 2003 of him heralding Iraq’s “hopeful” future after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

Bremer defended his words and the actions the Bush administration took to bring democracy to Iraq, instead blaming the Obama administration for presiding over the deterioration of those gains over the last few years.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/erin-burnett-grills-paul-bremer-on-iraq-arent-you-the-one-who-got-us-into-this-mess/

We won don't you know. And if we'd just ignored the status of forces agreement and said we were going to stay there forever whether the Iraqis wanted us there or not, we could have proven it. These guys need to go slither back into the holes they crawled out of.






http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/erin-burnett-calls-out-paul-bremer-after

[Cha]

1. Thanks for Alerting us on Hell Freezing OVER, Segami! fucking neocons getting called out on the tv!

"Burnett asked Bremer, “Aren’t you the one who got us into this mess?” She confronted Bremer with video from 2003 of him heralding Iraq’s “hopeful” future after the fall of Saddam Hussein."

[HooptieWagon]

2. No one asked him where the money went? nt

[closeupready]

3. OMG please. Erin Burnett calling out Bremer is like Apple

calling out the NSA after having been richly rewarded in government defense contracts.

LOL. Yeah right. Honey, Erin, sweetie, you sold out YEARS ago, and you ain't even half my age, so you know where you can put your populist-mimicking nonsense.

[senseandsensibility]

5. Don't like Erin, and don't trust her either

but credit where credit is due in this instance, I suppose...

[closeupready]

9. Ok, I'll begrudgingly concede that.

[jaysunb]

8. +1 n/t

[Cha]

12. So what. She still called out his neocon a$$ on the freaking cable tv. How often does that happen

from a mediawhore?

[wtmusic]

16. +1

[Raksha]

21. +1000

[busterbrown]

25. I’m sorry...Erin has been nothing but a lackey for the right wing for years..BUT

Fuck It... This was the first interview with a NeoCon rightwing using the Gish Gallop Technique which was shut down.. To the point that this piece should be a template for everyone who interviews these assholes on how to shut them down... She never let him continue until he answered the question she originally asked... PERIOD!!!!!

[Cha]

28. Yeah, BUT! Good bringing out the Template, buster. This is even better being called

out by a rw propagandista.. Hope more turn on them. I'm thinking Brennen was surprised!

"Fuck It... This was the first interview with a NeoCon rightwing using the Gish Gallop Technique which was shut down.. To the point that this piece should be a template for everyone who interviews these assholes on how to shut them down... She never let him continue until he answered the question she originally asked... PERIOD!!!!!"

Had to look up Gish Gallop..

"Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can’t address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits."

MOre..
Gish Bullshit Gallop

[busterbrown]

29. Cha, I’ve been complaining about this for 2 years...

Republicans have been well versed in this techniques and it was apparent that Even Romney was successful in the first debate using this method..

What I think is that if a Progressive ends up in a debate with a right wing fast talker that as soon as the first lie is spewed by the Repub. the Democrat or Progressive should not let the debate continue until the lie is fully addressed.. Even to the point of walking out of the debate.. If we are sure of the lie or misrepresentation of facts., the next day there would be a great degree of fact checking and discussion which in 99% of cases would support our candidate..And the lie or misrepresentation would be in print all over the country..

[Cha]

30. Excellent analyis, imv, buster..

"What I think is that if a Progressive ends up in a debate with a right wing fast talker that as soon as the first lie is spewed by the Repub. the Democrat or Progressive should not let the debate continue until the lie is fully addressed.. Even to the point of walking out of the debate.. If we are sure of the lie or misrepresentation of facts., the next day there would be a great degree of fact checking and discussion which in 99% of cases would support our candidate..And the lie or misrepresentation would be in print all over the country.."

The Dems could only get better at it once they've started and continue to practice practice practice!

[applegrove]

14. She did a pretty good job. At one point

Bremmer even called Maliki a dictator. All the while saying Bush left a democracy. So it doesn‘t even square in his own words. She had him going in circles.

[edgineered]

4. Calls him out for a bar-b-que!

Thoroughly cooked him!

[delrem]

6. She did an Excellent interview! Thanks! nt

[morningfog]

7. This is Bremer's creation. But why did Obama continue

The city-embassy? Sorry to break it, but Obama does have partial ownership of this. From the deployment of the first 275 on, it's his baby now. Just like Afghanistan after his surge is all his.

[jtuck004]

10. I haven't liked her since Mark left, since I think he helped her show a spark of humanity.

But she did this one right.

[AllTooEasy]

15. Bullshit! Iraq is responsible for Iraq's problems

They wanted US troops out their country, Obama removed (the overwhelming majority of) them.
They wanted self-rule, Obama said "you got it".
They wanted to control of their future, Obama let them have it.

...and if you recall, Iraq was relatively FAR more peaceful when the troops left! All we kept hearing(mostly from the left, unfortunately) was that the jihadist would calm down if only the Americans just left. That our presence was the cause of the terrorism. Well, we're not around and look what happened.

Their incompetent gov't fucked up. Maybe next time, they won't be so anxious to kick out the "infidels".

And Yes, Bush started this mess. He could have just divided the country into 3 ethnically homogeneous sections after Saddam's fall, but that would have made too much sense.

[jtuck004]

18. Uh, yeah, you go with that. Work for a Texas schoolboard? lol

Anyway, with your fount of wisdom, I bet you get this next line right off.

Enjoy the echo.

[AllTooEasy]

22. Well break down how I'm wrong

Did Obama remove the overwhelming majority of troops?

Did the Iraqis want US troops out of their country?

Did the Iraqis demand sovereignty?

Under who's administration did all this happen?

Did the Left (which I'm apart of) claim that the jihadists would calm down, even stop altogether, if US troops just left?

What happening now?

Isn't the Iraqi gov't responsible for safety and security in their country? If not them, then who is?

You can respond with another asinine retort, or you can just answer the questions.

[delrem]

23. Exactly! Shock and Awe was a fucking illusion, and only commies'll tell you different!

You go, boy!

[AllTooEasy]

24. You misundestood me

W. fucked up! He should have left Iraq alone. Nancy Pelosi thoroughly detailed how well Saddam was contained by the international community prior to the invasion, so I won't rehash that. After W. decided to go stupid and invade, I believe that he should have divided Iraq into 3 ethnic(Kurd, Shiite, and Sunni) territories, instead of repeating Churchill's original mistake of drawing unstable international borders around 3 separate and sometimes hostile ethic groups. Instead, W compounded stupidity with more stupidity. Now, the country is violently crumbling into...you guessed it...3 separate and sometimes hostile ethnic groups.

BTW, what does Communism have to do with any of this?

I watch a lot of MSNBC. I saw plenty of Liberal commentators claim that US troop presence was the main barrier to peace in Iraq. Obviously, they were wrong. The troops are gone, and everything is and is getting worse. That's all I'm saying on that point. I don't recommend US ground troops in Iraq. The Iraqi gov't wanted sovereignty, they got it...and the responsibility that comes with it that they obviously are too incompetent to handle.

[delrem]

35. Well, I'm ecstatic to know that you had such grand plans for post-war Iraq.

But don't you realize that what you are describing is pure "alternate-worlds" science-fiction?
Don't you realize that you have no moral/ethical ground to stand on when positing yourself as grand arbiter of how the US empire is to be distributed?
Don't you realize what the US is actually doing in the middle-east, and around the world -- regardless of which party is currently in power?

Oh well, fuggit. I'm about at the place where I fuggen quit trying to communicate with even well-intentioned USians.

[AllTooEasy]

36. Please explain what the hell you are talking about?

I tried to clarify and you just don't seem smart enough to get it. So let me respond like I'm talking to a 5 year old:

1) Bush shouldn't have invaded, but he did, now what? You seem to suggest that the US should have just left and everything would have been alright. That's pure "alternate-worlds" science-fiction! What facts, supported by history or current events do you base that opinion?

2) My "Grand Plan" (which shouldn't have been necessary, because we shouldn't have invaded) is and was one the simplest plans. Kurds, you have complete sovereignty over YOUR OWN country now that Saddam is gone. Turks, deal with it. Kurds, you better figure out how to protect yourself from the Turks if they don't feel like dealing with it. Shiites, you're an autonomous, sovereign nation too. The closer you are Iran or Syria, the further you will be with us. It's COMPLETELY your choice, but the consequences of either choice will be completely on you. Sunnis, complete sovereignty is also yours. No US ground troops will die to help ANY of you! At best, you will get air support against terrorists, and LIMITED onsite military advisorship. The 3 of you and the UN will sit down VERY soon to agree on exact borders. None of you answer will answer to the US. None of you are our responsibility. That's called sovereignty.

So delrem, where the hell is US Empire Distribution in that plan?! In fact, Bush's plan to keep Irag as one country and extract the oil for the US's and his personal wealth was a US empire building exercise. I am and have always been totally against that, but somehow I'm an empire maker. Explain that! Even better, what was/is your plan for that region after Bush unfortunate decision to invade. Let me guess, you don't and never had one. Just childish, knee-jerk opposition to anyone else's suggestion. I'm have time for intelligent debaters, not insecure hecklers who don't have the courage to provide alternative solutions for thorough cross-examination.

"Don't you realize what the US is actually doing in the middle-east, and around the world -- regardless of which party is currently in power?" My short answer - no. Neither do you, unless you work in the highest levels of the State Department. Honestly, I'm scared by what I don't know and the countless misdirections that have been presented to me my entire life. I don't trust them, across all administrations, and I expect the worse. I will continue to investigate on my own and make the best attempts to separate between baseless allegations, propoganda(from all sides), and the facts on a region-by-region, scenario-by-scenario basis with a progressive paradigm. Try it.

[pa28]

11. Wow. I don't think I've ever seen Erin Burnett call out an establishment figure in broad daylight.

I can only hope people like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Cheney take to the airwaves and get smacked down in similar fashion. The fact people like Paul Bremer are willing to make public comment at all speaks to a kind of colossal arrogance.

[Cha]

13. That's what the OP was sayin'...

"Hell hath Frozen Over!"..

[Volaris]

20. They HAVE to defend it now, the only other choice left them...

I is to admit they were wrong. To admit that, would mean that the the American majority would never again allow their specific brand of warmongering and imperialism EVER again, and that cannot be allowed to happen....there's just too much money in it, doncha know.

If we really wanted to be dicks about it, we would spend the same 1.7T $ on solar energy development, and name it The ALTERNATIVE Project for the New American Century.

Fuck Paul Bemmer. He was running a conquered country, and was too dumb to realize he had the power AND the authority to put a bullet through Al-Saders head. Sound too harsh? That's what conquest REQUIRES. Can't stomach it?
THEN DONT INVADE.

[busterbrown]

26. Yep she shut him and his Gish Gallop technique right the hell down!!!

It is seldom seen and wonderful to watch..

[CTyankee]

33. she's pretty damned smart...a Williams College grad IIRC...one of the toughest to get into...

but she is a strong capitalist...

[Egnever]

17. Grr there was no al queda in Iraq before we invaded

Yet this clown wants to claim we ran them out.....

Do these guys ever go away?

[Cha]

31. Neocons created Al Qaida in Iraq.. no doubt what they wanted for endless war. They're so Pissed

Obama won.

Grr with you, Egnever

[Tommy2Tone]

19. Sigh..

What a dick..

[supercats]

27. Big Deal?!?

So she got a line in "Aren't you the one who got us into this mess?" He still condescended and treated her like a child. He wasn't phased or schooled by her! Anytime a journalist or a pundit mildly says something contrarian to a republican, the progressive internet acts like they just bested Hitler. Grow up....The republicans verbally run over virtually every democrat except for two that come to mind, Alan Grayson and Elizabeth Warren. What needs to happen is for more and more democrats to verbally annihilate, verbally beat each and every self righteous republican down so hard that they leave practically crying. Thats what I would call a victory. Thats what I would like to be shared around the internet. Another thing, there is no, absolutely no compromising with a republican, they are dead from the neck up, so don't even try. Stop playing nice with any of them. They lie whenever their lips are moving, so why waste your breath. They don't care at all what happens to the American people, unless you're the 1%. In fact their plan is to hurt as many Americans as they can, give the banks and the big corporations more and more of our money and then blame Obama for it. Let's just get rid of the republican party once and for all.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. ¨Let's just get rid of the republican party once and for all.¨

[noiretextatique]

34. +1000

They certainly serve no useful purpose...except for the 1%.