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[riqster]

1. The voice of sanity:

"Only a weak and impressionable mind could possibly believe that she aligned with the very people who worked overtime to destroy her and her family. You have to be just thick as a brick to believe that. "

Truth.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Or, just ANTI-HRC

And know that a segment of DU doesn't do religion and a segment of DU will look for/accept anything to fling.

[Peacetrain]

2. It does not make an ounce of sense

But it is like a feeding frenzy..

I am seeing Hillary Clinton being drawn and quartered for things that just do not add up.. if you stop and think it through. The "family" for goodness sakes.

My heart goes out to the supporters of Hillary Clinton as the primary cycle and election cycle starts to develop.

There is this incessant need to destroy who ever we put forth..

They are never good enough, pure enough, ..

I am not involved with Presidential politics this cycle.. I will vote for the Democratic canidate..

But hopefully we will not try and wall off the Hillary people in a separate room and attack them every time the put forth positive stories on the canidate they support, things that she has accomplished.

[Hekate]

45. Your last sentence: Yes, it will come to that, and I will quit DU

... unless the Admins get a clue and get a grip

[msanthrope]

46. We will win Hekate. Don't give up hope just yet. nt

[leftstreet]

3. Maybe she was just 'reaching across the aisle'

It's politically expedient, right?

[bigtree]

5. the Senate Prayer Group was a bipartisan effort by several legislators

. . . actually, to try and separate politics from their public expressions of faith. Some felt the desire to cross party lines and join together in prayer and they didn't want to make it into a political battle with one group of republicans praying on one side of the Capitol and the other party praying in another room. It's really not a bad notion.

[The Magistrate]

4. This Always Struck Me, Sir, As A 'Beard The Lion In His Den' Move....

Walk right in, show your worst enemies you have no fear of them, because fearlessness is the most frightening thing of all....

[bigtree]

6. I remember enough about that time to agree with you about Hillary's decision to join

. . . you look at the images with her head held high throughout, and that sentiment would have been right in line with the defiant stand the Clintons took in the face of all of the attacks and investigations.

[HooptieWagon]

8. She associated with them for 15+ years...

..and described the leader as her mentor. Her words. They may or may not have embraced her, but she sure as hell embraced them. Why would HRC associate with an extremist RW power brokering cult? Has she answered that question?

[The Magistrate]

11. I Expect For The same Reason She Murdered Vince Foster, Sir

Sheer, unmitigated malice, and desire to do evil....

[riqster]

23. Brilliant!

Well played, Sir, well played!

[Hekate]

27. There you have it, Sir. The same woman accused of murder by the VRWC was....

....probably also performing Satanic rituals in the catacombs beneath the house on C Street with members of the same VRWC.

Very, very cunning woman.

[nomorenomore08]

48. The conspiracy-theorizing around here has gotten to be a bit much... n/t

[bigtree]

13. that's just an unproven meme, no matter what you've read

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. . . there's no evidence that she participated in anything beyond the prayers. Period.

. . . and she described the leader as 'a' mentor for 'anyone' regarding religiosity - not 'her' mentor, specifically.

maybe a damning statement for some (I think it was just a polite compliment), but it doesn't come anywhere close to proving any association beyond the public senate prayer group.

[lumpy]

38. Haven't many a president prayed with this group ?

[bigtree]

51. Since Eisenhower, I think

[sufrommich]

15. Where did she describe the leader as her mentor?

I haven't seen that.

[Hekate]

20. She referred to him as "a mentor" on pg 168 of Living History, not "her" mentor

The slander at DU is enough to gag a goat

[HooptieWagon]

37. Oh, another Clinton "depends what the meaning of is is" moment.

What the hell did they DO for 15+ years? Play bingo?
Perhaps Hillary should explain herself... What was her relationship with this RW religious group? Was it purely religious, and she supports the group's murdering of Ugandan gays?... or was it a non-religious association for political calculus?

[bigtree]

44. why don't you show us just one physical piece of evidence that she attended ANY of the gatherings

. . .One verifiable piece of evidence that she attended even one meeting or gathering outside of the National Prayer Breakfasts. Not innuendo, not even second-hand accounts.

A pic, an eyewitness who can place her somewhere on some specific date . . . there should be some sort of physical evidence if it was supposed to be going on for 15 years.

[HooptieWagon]

49. here.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

And there's Hillary's own words, glowing praise for the leader... whom, btw, has publicly professed admiration for Hitler.

[bigtree]

50. that's not physical evidence, it's a link to someone elses word

. . . uncorroborated by any verifiable fact.

So there's absolutely nothing, save Hillary's own account, to prove any contact between the two since 1993?

I thought she was a member of the Fellowship for 15 years? This is all the evidence you have of an alleged 15 year association . . . her word that she met the man in 1993??

I don't know what you think that proves, but there isn't even any physical evidence of that meeting, much less 15 years of them.

C'mon. If you believe she was a member of the Fellowship for 15 years, find something other than someone's word to prove it.

Otherwise, you're just taking someone's word for it.

[HooptieWagon]

21. Here is a good summary on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5741264

[sufrommich]

22. Yeah, she didn't call Coe her mentor. nt

[sufrommich]

9. It's much ado about nothing. The right wing in

this country hate Hillary Clinton with a blind rage,so do some on the left who are willing to play along.The enemy of my enemy.......

[el_bryanto]

10. I don't know - the article on the Family Connection is overblown but does make some good points

Specifically it talks about how while it doesn't push a specific religion or political philosophy, the act of participating does tend to push politicians right ward. Would it take Clinton all the way to Teaparty land? That's unlikely (and it's possible that a far right politician might move slightly leftward as they interact with more moderate politicians (not likely, I admit. But possible)). And I don't think Hillary Clinton has ever been that far left, in any event.

Bryant

[bigtree]

16. in 1993, there were *few republicans who viewed the Clintons as 'moderates'

. . . she was just first lady at the time she made the statement praising Coe, (under fire from the right-wing republican party for her association with Vince Foster), not a person who republicans felt they could caucus with on a political level.

[malthaussen]

12. Ah, that's what they *want* you to think!

It's a master plan to Take Over The World (like they don't already own it). Oh, and puppies. Killing puppies is part of it.

-- Mal

[octoberlib]

14. Hillary may have only prayed with them and nothing ese but this 'cabal' is more about

spreading the gospel of the invisible hand and American expansionism then it is about religion. And it's bipartisan.


AMY GOODMAN: And again, we should say, this is not just a Republican organization. Democrats are also a part. In fact, you talk about Hillary Clinton —-
JEFF SHARLET: Yeah, yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: —- praying with them.
JEFF SHARLET: I think that’s one of the most important aspects of this. I think, too often, progressives tend to see the Christian right as simply an auxiliary of the Republican Party, whereas the movement, especially through the Family, has recognized that you stay in power not by aligning yourself too closely with one faction, but by having lots of friends. So, Hillary Clinton, Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who was, of course, instrumental in fighting against the Employee Free Choice Act, which would have made unionization much, much easier. He explained to me the Family’s approach to Democratic bipartisanship. He said, “Jesus didn’t come to take sides; He came to take over.” That’s a Democrat speaking. So, Republicans and Democrats working together.
Chuck Grassley, a guy who’s been involved for such a long time. Grassley was involved with the Somalia project throughout the 1980s. They recognize that Somalia, of course, is a nation of great strategic importance, right there on the Horn of Africa. So, even as they are pursuing what they say is a religious agenda, it’s also meshing very neatly with a certain kind of agenda of American expansionist power and oil, frankly.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet

[sabrina 1]

17. Perhaps you should read more about this topic. The Family is about influencing those in power.

Not just here in the US, but all over the world. They view themselves as 'the elite' chosen by God to do his 'work'. Some of that 'work' apparently involves supporting Dictators.

Fox is merely a vehicle to keep the little people fighting among themselves, while the 'elite' are above all that.

Did you miss all the coverage of this shadowy organization over the past number of years, and are you aware that Hillary was part of their 'prayer cell' which included people like Jim Baker's wife among others for years?

Maybe it's time we uncover just how much influence these religion fronted cults have on our Government, not just Hillary's long association with them, but ALL of our 'leaders' and begin the process of separating 'church and state'. Because this IS a mixture of 'religion' with our government.

They DO influence our policies. Perhaps it's time to stop focusing on individuals and start looking at the possible reasons why so many of our 'leaders' from both parties appear to be in agreement regarding some of the worst of our foreign policies, something that has puzzled many people for a long time.

See Rachel Maddow's excellent exposure of this group. And Mother Jones' coverage of Hillary's, among others', association with them if you think that this 'right wing organization wouldn't associate with a Liberal like Hillary'. WRong, not only will they associate with people in power, that is their 'god given duty' apparently.

[bigtree]

25. the record of actual, physical contact with the group only shows Hillary at the prayer breakfasts

. . . if you have some other physical proof that she's in cahoots with them, show it. Pointing to her participation in the prayer breakfasts and a quote from 1993 doesn't come anywhere close to proving 'influence' or any other association outside of praying in the same room.

You believe that FOX is the only right-wing campaign working to destroy the Clintons? You need to do some reading.

[sabrina 1]

29. I've read plenty thank you. Put it this way, I would not be part of any prayer group

that included mostly some of the worst Republicans I claim to oppose. I would consider that to be, at the very least, hypocritical and at worst, that perhaps I am being used, to support policies that are at odds with my Party's stated beliefs. I would be extremely careful with my associations if I were in a position of power.

But then I'm not a fan of imperialism or shadowy groups that use religion as a cover for their real activities.

I don't trust religions that view themselves as 'the elite handpicked by God to set the world straight' while the little people are to be 'managed' according to 'god's will'.

Anyone who claims to be 'handpicked by god' to rule the world, sends chills up MY spine and no, I would not pray with such people even if they were telling ME I 'am right where I am supposed to be' in terms of my 'position in god's elite army'.

Frankly that should scare the hell out of any rational, thinking person.

I looked to see how many Liberals were part of this prayer group. I found none of those Dems who actually make sense on Foreign and Economic policies. Sometimes it is who is NOT included in these 'elite' organizations that is important. Didn't see Bernie Sanders praying with them, or Russ Feingold. But there are plenty of far right wing politicians included.

Nor would I pray with a 'cell' that is 'sex separated'. Men over there, ladies over here! Really?

[bigtree]

30. what's been reported about the extent of her involvement has no proof at all

. . .of any association beyond the praying. I think we could find more substantive and evident things to criticize Hillary Clinton for than who she prays in public with, or what she said about a man in 1993.

[sabrina 1]

31. Who she prays with COULD have influenced her Iraq War vote, couldn't it?

So it is indeed very important to know who people seeking our votes are associated with. It could be a reason for supporting the Pipeline or for saying 'I cannot comment on that' yet.

Since when are Democrats okay with their elected officials associating with right wing crazy religions that think they are 'god's choice' to rule the world? Did I miss something somewhere, because if this party is now FOR these shadowy, right wing religious groups, it isn't MY party anymore.

I would like some clarification on this.

[bigtree]

33. so you can read her mind?

Those prayer breakfasts are no more of an influence than meeting one of the opposition members in the hallway or the cloakroom.

You really believe they coalesce in public to plot something private? I'm feeling brain cells pop for even considering it.

[sabrina 1]

35. You are confused. The Prayer Breakfast is not the Prayer Cell Hillary belonged to. And no, it isn't

'just meeting one of the opposition members in the hallway or the cloakroom'. The Prayer Breakfast is the ONLY public event which takes place once a year. You are very uninformed about this so I can see why you are defending it. If that is all it was, it would not be a problem. I don't read minds, I watch people's actions. She did vote for Bush's war, no? No mind reading involved there.

[bigtree]

43. you have to understand, I'm reading the same literature you are

The ONLY time Hillary Clinton can be proven to associate with these people is through her participation in the National prayer breakfasts or the Senate prayer breakfasts.

If I got that wrong then there is NO physical proof that she associated with them AT ALL.

Hell, I'm going off of the info provided. WHERE were these meetings supposed to have been held, and WHERE is the EVIDENCE that Hillary was present?

The ONLY contact that can be verified by fact are the National Prayer Breakfasts the group founded.

Now you want to claim that there was some other meeting place. Where's the physical PROOF she attended?


You must be able to read her mind if you're claiming to know that the 'Fellowship' influenced her Iraq vote.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. The Senate Prayer breakfast is the cell people keep pointing to

you have no clue what you are writing about... but please do keep digging

[joshcryer]

61. Yep, her public views do not mesh with the family.

Far be it for one to use common sense.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Well beyond the annual prayer brreakfasts

and you were given a link now to the Atlantic that you keep ignoring

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/11/take-two-hillarys-choice/305292/

[HooptieWagon]

26. Yes, its largely about political power brokering; although they also push christian values like...

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... murdering gays in Uganda.

&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[jeff47]

18. The right-wing isn't actually monolithic.

The Family is anti-labor-union and pro-theocracy. They don't have a strong position on, say, financial regulation. Other groups have an extremely strong position on financial regulation, but are anti-theocracy.

The "cottage industry of hate" was all about politics, not actual beliefs. The goal was to tie up the Clinton presidency fighting off their attacks to help Republicans win elections. As a result, the attacks did not come from "The Family". They came from other people on the right.

Hillary Clinton did write fondly of The Family's leader in her autobiography. That's rather odd if we were to believe your vision of the right. If you were correct, she'd be praising the people attacking her. Kinda indicates your picture has a problem.

[cali]

19. you're utterly delusional if you believe the fellowship was attempting to take politics out of

prayer.

around the bend delusional, if you believe this is just some benign feel good prayer organization.

[boston bean]

24. You are right cali. Hillary supports all right wing ideology

and the attacks on her were done for show only, to make her more popular with Democrats..

LOL

[bigtree]

28. you're still conflating participation in the prayer breakfasts with the worst of the organizers

. . . because you can't show ANY evidence of any association beyond those gatherings. No photos, no accounts of Hillary at some secret meeting, just innuendo and unproven allegations of an 'association'.

It strains credulity to believe that the GOP's #1 target was in league with her worst enemies. It's dirt-dumb.

[joshcryer]

63. Where the fuck did the OP say that absurdity?

[Zorra]

32. You're delusional if you believe it's not acceptable to speculate on why she was associating with

this frackin' weird ass RW extremist cult.

[bigtree]

34. you need more evidence of an association than public praying and a 1993 quote

. . . about the religiosity of Coe.

The 'speculation' is just that; mind-fucking.

[Zorra]

41. I'd honestly love it if you could prove to me that author/journalist Jeff Sharlet's claims

about Mrs. Clinton's numerous associations with The Family are nothing more than a pack of lies, ASAP.

Please, in all sincerity, prove to me that he is lying, so I can stop wondering about this issue. Because Jeff Sharlet seems to be a pretty well respected progressive journalist/author. If you have no basis for your claims other than unsupported opinions, please don't expect me to just take your word for it; you appear to have a very serious agenda to get Mrs. Clinton the Democratic presidential nomination. There is still a lot of time to prove that the claims that Mr. Sharlet makes about Mrs. Clinton's associations with the Family, other than just going to the Family Pancake Breakfast or whatever that big hoopla is that all major politicians must go to so that they may kiss the dirty white asses of these secretive christianist RW fascist bigot hypocrite cult members.

Here's my situation...I may not think she is the best person for the Presidency right now, but if Hillary Clinton is to be our nominee, I desperately need her to win the general election to safeguard my rights and finalize LGBT equality. I can't have any kind of weird shit like this getting in the way two weeks before the GE. So far, I have not found any information that disproves Jeff Sharlet's claims. So I'd be much obliged if you can back up your unsupported statements with any kind of credible information.

Thanks.

Jeff Sharlet (born 1972) is an American journalist and author. He is a contributing editor for Harper's and Rolling Stone. His work has also appeared in Lapham's Quarterly, Oxford American, The Washington Post, Mother Jones, New York, The Chronicle of Higher Education, Columbia Journalism Review, New Statesman, The Nation, The New Republic, Forward, Nerve, and The Baffler. He has taught at New York University and is Mellon Assistant Professor of English at Dartmouth College. He is the recipient of the Molly National Journalism Prize, the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission's Outspoken Award, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation's Thomas Jefferson Award, and the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association Award for Excellence in Feature Writing.

Sharlet is the co-creator of two online journals, Killing the Buddha, a literary magazine about religion, and The Revealer, a review of religion and media published by the New York University Center for Religion and Media, now edited by Ann Neumann, and the former editor-in-chief of Pakn Treger, a journal published by the National Yiddish Book Center.

Sharlet's mother, who raised him after his parents separated, was from a Pentecostal Christian background. His father is of Jewish background. [1] [2]

Sharlet is married to historian Julia Rabig.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sharlet_%28writer%29

[bigtree]

42. that's not the way it works. Accusers need to provide verifiable facts, proof

. . . absolutely NONE since this story broke in 2007 linking Hillary Clinton to anything more than praying and a 1993 quote.

Accusers of Clinton need to put up or shut up.

[Zorra]

47. I wonder if part of the reason that she lost the 2008 nomination to Obama was because of her

connection to these fascists. It appears that she has refused to comment in depth on her relationship with "The Family".

If she decides to vie for the nomination, Democratic voters deserve to know about the depth of her involvement with this really creepy RW cult. Otherwise, people are going to believe she's hiding something and won't trust her. You can hide your head in the sand, and try to deflect interest by dismissing it without really addressing it, but only really stupid people are going to buy that tactic, and there aren't a whole lot of stupid people here at DU.

Trying to shoo Democrats away from an issue with "run along now, nothing to see here" bullshit is insulting.

None of the information below proves any sinister involvement by Hillary Clinton with The Family. Hanging around with these people is questionable enough in itself.

Jeff Sharlet talks about "The Family" on Rachel Maddow

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

In 2002, Sharlet joined The Family's home for young men, forswearing sex, drugs and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners--alone.

Clinton fell in with The Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the Senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, The Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillarys-nasty-pastorate

Lindsay Beyerstein: What's Hillary's involvement with the Family? What is she getting out of it?

Jeff Sharlet: As I was researching the book, I knew Hillary had this strange connection. I didn't think much of it until I was reporting on Sen. Sam Brownback. Everyone knew I was a reporter from "Rolling Stone," probably more liberal than they were. So, a way that a lot of Family people would reach out to be friendly was to tell me that Hillary Clinton was OK with them. They'd tell me that HRC was going for regular spiritual counseling with Doug Coe.

Lindsay Beyerstein: Is she still getting counseling from him?

Jeff Sharlet: This was in 2005, and she refused to say anything about this. When NBC questioned her about this, her only answer was that (she's) not a member and (she) has never given Doug Coe money -- which was a strangely parsed kind of answer.

http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_%27the_family%27_openly_reveres_hitler

Jeff Sharlet on Hillary Clinton's Relationship to "The Family"

[bigtree]

52. not even close, she had record votes for her in that election

. . . and Obama had the advantage of a solid block of black voters and a wave of new folks, too.

That's as nebulous and unproven a claim as the rest of this garbage.

[Bluenorthwest]

57. LGBT people went big for Obama because of this shit.

In fact, David Geffen had some choice words that set the tone and got Obama a big, early boost. Why? Because Hillary lied to us.
Also because Hillary constantly reminded us she was not and never was a supporter of equality and that she never would be. She had that sneer.
That's how it is. Now, please, 'staightsplain' to me about LGBT trends and history.

[bigtree]

58. I'm not sure where you're finding that analysis

I had read where she was at least competitive with that community of voters. I would like to see the breakdown of votes that shows that split.

[TheKentuckian]

67. The organization is nebulous and secretive as can be, pretty hard to come up with what you want

unless one of the membership lets it out and then you'll be forced to impugn the source because the source would likely be some fucked up right winger pushing economic fuedalism from a prosperity cult wrapped in the cross because that is who the members are so such a revelation would be chalked to hurting Clinton politically.

Now do I know which is the chicken and which is the egg? No, but I am hard pressed to actually differentiate Turd Way boilerplate and the cult so I don't even care but just the chance that the source is a matter of faith makes the whole package from frightening to outright scary evil and the power brokering angle is no better, if this is where she has to go for her juice means she is tied up with and owes the very worst people in the world to my eyes.

[joshcryer]

66. Politics, that's it. The Fellowship is a nexus of political power.

That doesn't mean Clinton is a secret fascist.

[hootinholler]

36. You're misinformed if you believe The Family is an ultra-right wing cabal

They are not about right or left. They are about influencing those who wield power, brokering deals and acting as a clearing house to bring like minds together. They don't care about right or left, only that someone with power will answer their call.

Take the whole Uganda kill the gay thing. There were people in Uganda seeking more power and there were RW US congress people who were very anti-gay. The Family brought them together for talks and badda bing, badda boom. That is their pattern, they see themselves as facilitators playing the long game so they are ready to impose dominionism and ensure it is fascist.

They preach that if you have power, or money, it's Gawd's Will that you do, and therefore it doesn't matter how you conduct your affairs because Gawd. "Jesus plus nothing." to quote Coe.

[Nye Bevan]

39. As soon as I saw "they openly revere Hitler, Stalin and Mao" I dismissed the "story" (nt)

[NCTraveler]

40. Unfortunatley, the delusional will not be able to connect the dots.

"You're delusional if you believe an ultra-right wing cabal embraced Hillary Clinton as an associate"

They won't get it. It is a part of their delusion.

[hrmjustin]

53. the right wing hates Hillary.

[William769]

54. kick & recommended.

[hrmjustin]

55. results

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56. I was one of the 7.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. I do not alert but his personal attacks are getting really bad

and I will not back down from them.

I will keep pushing back at his personal attacks against members of this community It is bullshit. but acceptable bullshit.

This story he is fighting against is not a meme, it is well known and well covered and it exploded during the 2008 race,, due to the attacks on the religiosity of the other Presidential Candidate. It exploded all over the beltway media after it was covered on DU.

The OP will keep attacking those who do not agree with him personally, even though this is well trotted ground, and it even includes her own writing and her memoirs

As far as negatives goes, this one is so well trodden that it will hardly matter, but god help us, no pun, if a new skeleton (inevitably) is dug out.

[Oilwellian]

59. Of course, Hillary would never be embraced by an ultra-right wing cabal

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Keep digging

Now this story was covered very well, it is well known here on DU.

I know, you will not read it...

You’re not supposed to think about lofty spiritual affairs in terms so temporal as their political importance. But among the prayer groups, one holds special status: a tight-knit gathering of about a dozen senators which still meets every Wednesday morning for prayer and discussion, led by Douglas Coe himself. Each week, someone starts the meeting by giving personal testimony, secure in the support of the audience. Once, Senator Dan Coats stood before the group and sang “Jesus Loves Me, This I Know.”

The roster of regular participants has included such notable conservative names as Brownback, Santorum, Nickles, Enzi, and Inhofe. Then, in 2001, just after the new class of senators was sworn in, another name was added to the list: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/11/take-two-hillarys-choice/305292/

But I guess Mother Jones is suspect, so will the Atlantic.

Your problem is that you are trying to prove a relationship that is well known does not exist. And yes BT, I will keep pushing back on your BS, because it is bullshit. This is not about a rw fanatic, it is about power.