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Is also 'insisting' that Blackwater is there. And they still call it Blackwater. *smh* Don't they realize Mr. Mercenary is in Africa looking out for China's interests now? 
And I've heard all about Svoboda and Right Sector and Hunter Biden and everything else that conspiracy theorists have been posting ad nauseum.
What I haven't heard, however, is how exactly was Victor Yanukovych supposedly violently overthrown in a western-sponsored "coup". I've been asking that question for months now, and not a single person has actually explained to me how this all supposedly happened.
Now, I do know that the Maidan protests were very real and very huge. And I do know that there's video tape of Yanukovych nonchalantly having his valuable possessions packed up over a three day period and flying away to Russia under no sense of urgency. And to date, no one has explained to me how all those easily documentable facts--clearly running contrary to the "coup" argument--can be argued away as some sort of smokescreen.
And now I'm being told that I should believe that closely scrutinized and monitored elections were all a sham to get a US government plant 
into power in Ukraine. And I'm told that the smoking gun proof of this is an eight year old conversation Poroshenko had with the US State Department where he essentially gossiped about some of his colleagues in the Rada. But just because some conspiracy theorist website tries to spin it into a big deal does not actually mean you need to believe it.
Svoboda and Right Sector are red herrings to the argument you seek to prove. They are just as much red herrings as the fact that the armed pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine are being lead by an actual fascist neo-Nazi who seized power by force. You see what that does? It's a meaningless, bright shiny object.
It's your conspiracy theory, and it's your burden to prove it. So far, no one has even come close to doing so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko
That's why it's shortened to 'OU'. The cables just show that he's another political actor in the mix, who they are trying to work out (eg "As with much of what we are hearing about the motivations, goals, characters, etc. of the various "other sides" in the majority coalition talks, Poroshenko's claims about his arch-nemesis Tymoshenko and his protestations of innocence re PG moves against Tymoshenko lieutenant Turchynov have to be taken with a large grain of salt. But this grain may be larger than most of the others. While we have no proof in hand, too many interlocutors point to Poroshenko as one of OU's leading proponents of a coalition with Regions to simply believe he would be at most a reluctant follower were Yushchenko and Yekhanurov to take the party that direction."
"Our Ukrainian"?
People shouldn't be surprised. If your neighbor has broken in to 50 houses on your block and you come home and find your stuff gone you might have an idea of where to start asking questions.
without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The United States has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.
...The U.S. has also covertly supported opposition groups in various countries without necessarily attempting to overthrow the government. For example, the CIA funded anti-communist political parties in countries such as Italy and Chile; it also armed Kurdish rebels fighting the Ba'athist government of Iraq in the Second Kurdish-Iraqi War prior to the Algiers Agreement...
1 Prior to Cold War
1.1 Russia
2 During the Cold War
2.1 Communist states 1944–89
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 1955–70s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
2.9 Iraq 1960–63
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 1970–73
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 1979–89
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 1980–81
2.19 Nicaragua 1981–90
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 1980–95
2.21 Angola 1980s
3 Since the end of the Cold War
3.1 Iraq 1992–96
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 2002–03
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006–present
3.7 Somalia 2006–07
3.8 Iran 2005–present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012–present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
Click here to see how it's done: American Coup- the story of the 1953 Iran Coup
http://www.hulu.com/watch/400495
