Which NFL team names will remain in 20 years...?

[Scratchem]

As the Redskins name fades away and people pay more attention to the sensitivity of team names which NFL team names will survive for a generation or so...?




Probably out the door:

Chiefs are gone..
All animal names are out (PETA and crew)
Vikings, Bucks, Raiders, Cowboys are out for violent histories
Titans and Saints are gone for religious division





Probably safe:


Chargers, Texans, Browns

[tarheelsunc]

1. I'm offended by Texans. eom

[CK_John]

2. There will be no football in 20 yrs.

[dilby]

8. Nope will still be there for sure, will be an additional 2 teams though.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Quite a bit of effort you put into that post, bud. Just to get us riled up?

Try harder.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. I think you're way wrong.

Chiefs might go, but I don't really see any possibility of the rest going.

PETA certainly doesn't have the influence with the general public you seem to think, if they actually even care, which I'll be surprised if they do. They've got decades of work ahead of them just to get factory farmed animals treated more humanely.

[Scratchem]

13. I think if the recent copyright case shows anything...

... it's that majority support is not required.

Wasn't the case made by only five individuals against their copyright claim?

[PeaceNikki]

16. You can't possibly think the plaintiffs in the suit are the only one who find it horrific, can you?

Cuz that would be fucking ridiculous.

Native Americans and organizations opposed[edit]

The following groups have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team:

Tribes[edit]
Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians[156]
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma[156]
Comanche Nation of Oklahoma[156]
The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)[156]
Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan)
Hoh Indian Tribe[157]
Inter Tribal Council of Arizona[158]
Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes[159]
Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)[156]
Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan)
Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)[160]
Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)[156]
Oneida Indian Nation (New York)[161]
Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin[156]
Navajo Nation Council[99]
Penobscot Nation[162]
Poarch Band of Creek Indians[163]
Samish Indian Nation (Washington)[164]
Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)[165]
Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)[166]
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota)
The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)[167]
United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)[168]

Organizations[edit]
Advocates for American Indian Children (California)
American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)
American Indian Movement[169]
American Indian Opportunities Industrialization Center of San Bernardino County
American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University
American Indian High Education Consortium
American Indian College Fund
Americans for Indian Opportunity
Association on American Indian Affairs
Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)
Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)
Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)
Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)
Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples’ Alliance
First Peoples Worldwide
Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)
Governor’s Interstate Indian Council
Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission
Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)
HONOR – Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights
Kansas Association for Native American Education
Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)
Minnesota Indian Education Association
National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)
National Indian Child Welfare Association
National Indian Education Association
National Indian Youth Council
National Native American Law Student Association
Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party
Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA)[170]
Native American Journalists Association[171]
Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio
Native American Journalists Association
Native American Rights Fund (NARF)
Native Voice Network
Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)
North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
North Dakota Indian Education Association
Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)
Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council
Seminole Nation of Oklahoma
Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
Southern California Indian Center
St. Cloud State University – American Indian Center
Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures
Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs
Tennessee Native Veterans Society
Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism[172]
The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia
The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center
Wisconsin Indian Education Association
WIEA “Indian” Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)
Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)
Youth “Indian” Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)

Individuals[edit]
These prominent Native Americans have put their opposition to the Redskins' name on the public record:

Sherman Alexie (author, Spokane)[173]
Notah Begay (Navajo, PGA pro golfer) called the Redskins' name "a very clear example of institutionalized degradation of an ethnic minority."[174]
Clyde Bellecourt (Ojibwe, co-founder of the American Indian Movement)[175]
Bob Burns (Blackfeet elder)[176]
Vine Deloria, Jr. (Sioux, historian/author)[177]
Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Northern Cheyenne, U.S. Senator)[178]
Kevin Gover (Pawnee, director of The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of the American Indian)[179]
Suzan Shown Harjo (Cheyenne/Hodulgee Muscogee, author/activist)[180]
Litefoot (Cherokee/Chichimeca, rapper) ironically celebrates Native American team names as "recreational genocide" on the track 'Stereotipik'.[181]
Russell Means (Oglala Lakota, activist/actor)[182]
Billy Mills (Sioux, Olympic gold medal winner)[183]
Ted Nolan (First Nations Ojibway, NHL player and coach)[184]
Buford Rolin (Creek tribal chairman)[185]
Shoni Schimmel (Umatilla, Louisville Cardinals guard, class of 2015)[186]
Charlene Teters (Spokane, artist/lecturer)[187]
W. Richard West Jr. (Cheyenne) - President of the Autry National Center in Los Angeles: Redskin is "an openly derogatory term. It always is and it always has been.” West also characterizes the Original American's Foundation as an "attempt to divert attention from the fact that his team’s nickname is coming under increasing heat from people who think it’s an offensive racial term."[188]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy#Native_Americans_and_organizations_opposed

[Trekologer]

45. It wasn't copyright, it was trademark

Specifically, registered trademark.

The Washington Redskins aren't prevented from continuing to use the name. What was lost is the exclusivity to the name. Now, it would behoove the team to change their name since they won't be able to control unlicensed use of the name. For instance, one could now start selling hats and t-shirts with the name "Redskins" on them and there isn't anything the team could do to stop it.

[Scratchem]

48. I stand corrected...

I always get em mixed...

[Cali_Democrat]

5. None. Earth will no longer exist after April 8th, 2018. nt

[PeaceNikki]

6. You're being weirdly hyperbolic. It seems you are dismissing the issue with the Washington franchise

[Scratchem]

20. What's hyperbolic?

Is it really unrealistic to think that all names of teams are going to get looked at?

NFL is the obvious venue, as America's most popular sport, but at all levels of all sports are open to challenge...

[PeaceNikki]

22. Google it. You're making light of the Native Americans feelings on this.

It's a horribly offensive term.

[Scratchem]

23. Well now that you made me google it...

The most frequently cited study from 2004, in between copyright cases and increases in media interest, found that about 10% of those who self identified as Native American found it offensive.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name “Washington Redskins” offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.

I'm not saying that the percentage matters but it probably isn't accurate to say that they have a strong majority. Maybe they do and it has changed in 10 years...

[PeaceNikki]

24. uh huh

Native Americans and organizations opposed

The following groups have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team:

Tribes
Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma
Comanche Nation of Oklahoma
The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)
Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan)
Hoh Indian Tribe
Inter Tribal Council of Arizona
Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes
Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)
Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan)
Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)
Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)
Oneida Indian Nation (New York)
Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin
Navajo Nation Council
Penobscot Nation
Poarch Band of Creek Indians
Samish Indian Nation (Washington)
Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)
Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota)
The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)
United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)

Organizations
Advocates for American Indian Children (California)
American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)
American Indian Movement
American Indian Opportunities Industrialization Center of San Bernardino County
American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University
American Indian High Education Consortium
American Indian College Fund
Americans for Indian Opportunity
Association on American Indian Affairs
Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)
Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)
Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)
Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)
Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples’ Alliance
First Peoples Worldwide
Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)
Governor’s Interstate Indian Council
Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission
Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)
HONOR – Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights
Kansas Association for Native American Education
Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)
Minnesota Indian Education Association
National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)
National Indian Child Welfare Association
National Indian Education Association
National Indian Youth Council
National Native American Law Student Association
Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party
Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA)
Native American Journalists Association
Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio
Native American Journalists Association
Native American Rights Fund (NARF)
Native Voice Network
Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)
North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
North Dakota Indian Education Association
Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)
Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council
Seminole Nation of Oklahoma
Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
Southern California Indian Center
St. Cloud State University – American Indian Center
Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures
Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs
Tennessee Native Veterans Society
Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism
The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia
The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center
Wisconsin Indian Education Association
WIEA “Indian” Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)
Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)
Youth “Indian” Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)

Individuals
These prominent Native Americans have put their opposition to the Redskins' name on the public record:

Sherman Alexie (author, Spokane)
Notah Begay (Navajo, PGA pro golfer) called the Redskins' name "a very clear example of institutionalized degradation of an ethnic minority."
Clyde Bellecourt (Ojibwe, co-founder of the American Indian Movement)
Bob Burns (Blackfeet elder)
Vine Deloria, Jr. (Sioux, historian/author)
Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Northern Cheyenne, U.S. Senator)
Kevin Gover (Pawnee, director of The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of the American Indian)
Suzan Shown Harjo (Cheyenne/Hodulgee Muscogee, author/activist)
Litefoot (Cherokee/Chichimeca, rapper) ironically celebrates Native American team names as "recreational genocide" on the track 'Stereotipik'.
Russell Means (Oglala Lakota, activist/actor)
Billy Mills (Sioux, Olympic gold medal winner)
Ted Nolan (First Nations Ojibway, NHL player and coach)
Buford Rolin (Creek tribal chairman)
Shoni Schimmel (Umatilla, Louisville Cardinals guard, class of 2015)
Charlene Teters (Spokane, artist/lecturer)
W. Richard West Jr. (Cheyenne) - President of the Autry National Center in Los Angeles: Redskin is "an openly derogatory term. It always is and it always has been.” West also characterizes the Original American's Foundation as an "attempt to divert attention from the fact that his team’s nickname is coming under increasing heat from people who think it’s an offensive racial term."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy#Native_Americans_and_organizations_opposed

[Scratchem]

25. Yes... I saw it the first time...

Is there something that shows that it reflects the feelings of the Native American population as a whole?

[PeaceNikki]

27. keep playing that game.

Enjoy your stay.

[tenderfoot]

7. :-\

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. I'd say that Christians should feel threatened by the Detroit Lions except

nobody feels threatened by the Detroit Lions.

[Wait Wut]

15. As a Bears fan...

...

[postulater]

10. Packers! Not only will the name remain but their business model will spread to other teams.

As the cost of stadiums rises and the player salaries keep going up, municipalities will demand ownership in return for tax advantages and stadium costs.

The Packers are owned by the fans. Damn hippie socialists!

[unionthug777]

33. green bay !!!!

and the lombardi trophy. eternal.

[Travis_0004]

34. not likely

The packers business model is bannes under nfl rules which limit the number of owners. They are grandfathed in.

Plus, who is going to come up with a billion dollars to buy out a team and turn it into a nonprofit?

[Bluzmann57]

52. Packers are owned by the fans

Including me.
There is not a financial adviser alive who would recommend buying stock in the Green Bay Packers because there is not, nor will there ever be, any payoff on it. But at least I can say I am an owner of the greatest NFL franchise ever.

[Chisox08]

55. The Packers should be kicked out of the league

Or at least banished to Alaska.

[postulater]

58. Sometimes it feels like Alaska at the late season games at Lambeau.

[joeybee12]

11. Nice try...if you're really good, you can get to lucky 13 posts...nt

[thereismore]

12. How many of the animal species named will be extinct by 2050? nt

[AgingAmerican]

14. Browns are out cuz that's the color of poo

Texans gone cuz, well cuz Texas sucks. Chargers name is too violent.

[blue neen]

17. Nope.

Not buyin' what you're sellin'.

[KamaAina]

18. You forgot Cardinals for religious division

if a player is traded from Arizona to New Orleans, does that mean he's beatified?

[KamaAina]

19. Giants

on behalf of Little People of America.

[KamaAina]

21. 49ers

doesn't cut it with AARP.

[warrior1]

26. Dallas Cowboys

[Tommy_Carcetti]

28. You actually created a DU profile just to whine and moan about the Patent Office decision?

Really?

[PeaceNikki]

29. TYRANNY!!!!11! FREEDOEM!

Thanks Obummer!!

[savalez]

39. I love the 1's stuck in there!

[Boom Sound 416]

36. As opposed to the rest of us who whine about

EVERYTHING

[Xipe Totec]

42. I'd rather have that than a "One Note Samba"

[Boom Sound 416]

43. ...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

63. Here's a good place I suggest the OP go to if he wants to complain:

http://es.redskins.com/

[Boom Sound 416]

65. Fair enough and for that matter the rest of should be at

www.whitehouse.gov

[alp227]

71. The user has now been shown the door.

"RW troll."

I tried alerting this, but this was kept narrowly:

On Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:23 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Which NFL team names will remain in 20 years...?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025128440

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

"All animal names are out (PETA and crew)"

Seeing that this user registered 4 days ago, http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=315234

This user is very likely a right wing disruptor co opting the Washington Redskins issue in a Rick Santorum-like argument about other supposedly offensive team names. This "what about the Raiders and such" argument about Redskins is commonly used in right wing circles.

Don't believe me? In Free Republic, one poster wrote, "Next PETA will have animal names banned. Goodbye Bears, Bengals, Colts, Rams, Cardinals, Dolphins, Jaguars, Broncos, Seahawks, Eagles, Falcons, Ravens, Lions and Panthers. Buffalo will have to move to Key West or Fire Island to satisfy the sodomites." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3169259/posts

And: "I wonder if PETA will sue because of Diamondbacks, Broncos, Orioles, etc.? I am so damned sick and tired of lawyers! " http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/970945/posts

This post is not funny. It's disruptive and insulting to the Native American activists who have worked hard to educate the public about why "Redskin" is a derogatory term.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:34 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerter is reading way too much into this post. Let it stand. I mean, really.


Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sick of people making fun of the concerns of POC here.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post, on its face, is not disruptive. It isn't co-opting another thread or calling out another poster. The alerter is trying to put words into the poster's mouth, projecting things that the poster did not post onto him/her. If the alerter thinks that this post is wrong, he/she should should post a reply. However, the fact that the alerter has links to other sites at the ready in this way is rather creepy.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: People are actually allowed to be just plain stupid. It's part of the DU process. Right?

Thank you.

[Jenoch]

30. I think they all need to be changed.

The Chargers represent fossil fuels. The Texans and Cowboys will be challenged by somebody offended in Texas. The Packers represent meat products which are bad for health. The Browns are named after a rich, old white man who oppressed his players and moved his team and broke the hearts of his fans.

(My post is in no way a defense of the Washington Redskins. By the way, Snyder has decided to capitulate and remove the offensive word from his team's name. Starting August 1st they become the Maryland Redskins.)

[KamaAina]

32. An oldie but a goodie!

By the way, Snyder has decided to capitulate and remove the offensive word from his team's name. Starting August 1st they become the Maryland Redskins.

[KamaAina]

31. Bills is okay, but Buffalo has to go

again, because of PETA. Yes, the entire city has to change its name.

[Boom Sound 416]

35. Nope on the chargers.

They will be the fuel cells or the solar panels

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

37. The Raiders have one of the largest fan bases in football from around the country

I seriously doubt they will disappear.

As for violent histories, they ran a survey about a year ago about the criminal behavior engaged in by players. For all their reputation as bad guys, the Raiders actually ranked in the middle of the pack with 19 arrests of players since 2000, less than half the arrests (40) of the Bengals and Vikings who've had 40 each. The Rams and Texans have had the lowest with 9 each. If you're talking about violence on the field in the old days of the Steelers and Raiders when guys like Jack Lambert and Jack Tatum played to hurt other players, that was a period before a ton of rules changes made it impossible to hit receivers or quarterbacks.

I don't see the Cowboys disappearing. I hate them but they have a lot of very devoted fans and the franchise is worth too much money to disappear.

[TheKentuckian]

38. All the rest, the Chiefs is possibly dicey but isn't an overt slur so I guess it will stand.

Redskins is a wholly different animal that I find it hard to imagine folks with any brains can't grasp the issue.

No way yellow skins or black skins would fly and white skins sounds like something a the KKK league would try so that hole vein is a bust and I think honest folks can admit to such.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

40. Dolphins

Dolphins are smart and nice animals. The fucking idiots who make up the current team should be stripped of the name and the aqua and orange.

[Codeine]

41. Take that shit elsewhere. nt

[Aerows]

70. Succinct and to the point! n/t

[TBF]

44. The Green Bay Packers -

and we will still beat the Bears.

Next stupid question?

[Jenoch]

46. I'm pretty sure

the Bears and Packers split their games last season and the Bears still lead the series in total games won.

[TBF]

57. Grrr .... but we still have more Lombardi Trophies :)

[quakerboy]

47. A better question...

Why would anyone really care? Would name changes effect the ability's of the players, or the rules of the game, or any other facet of the game?

[fishwax]

49. why would any of the other names be changed? Has anyone seriously objected to any of them ever?

It's hilarious to see people so offended that the patent board dared rule the obvious: that redskins is a derogatory term.

[Scratchem]

51. At the very least you don't think that the Chiefs and all other Native American names...

... will be challenged?

[fishwax]

53. the Chiefs, perhaps ... they changed their logo decades ago

I doubt the name will be challenged in the way the washington name has been, though. Certainly the assault on patent protection wouldn't have the same chance for success, since it isn't an obvious slur.

[Greybnk48]

50. Green Bay Packers

The name offends no one and our team is owned by the people, not some individual.

[Jenoch]

56. Your team represents meat and is offensive to vegans.

[louis c]

54. How can "Redskins" go and "Browns" stay?

I know it's origin is a surname, but still, "Browns"?

[savalez]

60. What's controversial about the word Brown?

[louis c]

73. Are you kidding me?

You have never heard of Mexicans, Latin Americans or Filipinos referred to as "Browns", just as African-Americans are referred to a "Blacks"?

[savalez]

74. You may have a point there.

But I don't think Browns, Blacks or Whites for that matter has the same negative connotation as Red Skins. Red Skins only means one thing. Two if you count the football team.

[louis c]

75. I agree wth you

that it's a stretch and the reason Cleveland is called the Browns was the owner's surname. I get it. I know the facts.

I was just participating in the OP's position that almost every team name could be in jeopardy if any name offends any one person.

[rufus dog]

59. All of them

Except for Redskins and teams that move and take a new name.

[U4ikLefty]

61. The funny part is that you probably think that you're being clever.

Not so much.

[Drew Richards]

64. This is pointless! In 20 years there will only be two teams...Cogswell Cogs and Spacely Sprockets.nt

[Octafish]

66. A two-team league and both teams named Dynamo.

Berlin und Weiβwaβer.

http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/hockey-night-in-europe-from-stasi-team-to-germanys-showcase/

[DFW]

67. New York Yankees

Oh. Wait a minute.

Never mind.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. Washington Wienies, San Diego Snowflakes, Portland Pixies, Seattle Sheep

Boston Beanies, Denver Duds, Los Angeles Leprecauns, Oakland Oafs, Miami Maggots, etc.

[dogknob]

69. You're that kid they always told to "go long" in street football, aren't you?

[Blue_Tires]

72. Who gives a shit?

The Mets will still be around, and that's all that matters...