I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Spoiler, obviously)

[BainsBane]

USA now 2 to Portugal 1





And a few minutes later

[redqueen]

1. Such a good game.

And Ronaldo looking so defeated and sad. Just the cherry on top.

[BainsBane]

2. He's not looking good

I wonder what's up with him?

[redqueen]

3. He's an ass.

And feeling the pressure no doubt as he hasn't gone more than two games without scoring, and he came into this one without scoring in the previous two, and he missed a goal badly earlier on.

[Ron Obvious]

53. He's carrying a knee injury

There was considerable doubt about whether he'd be starting today.

He was pretty awful today for most of the game.

[redqueen]

4. Come on guys!

Come on USA... three minutes left

[sheshe2]

5. You won't believe this, you were alerted on!

On Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025136686

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Spoiler.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. An alert for this!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF! Ask her to put "spoiler" in the title. Crappy, vindictive alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you're going to watch the game later you shouldn't even be online, let alone on DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry.

[redqueen]

7. 0-7

Well done Jury

[sheshe2]

12. :)

Yes indeed!

[William769]

17. It didn't post my comment!

[redqueen]

19. Aw :( Did you use an ampersand?

Apparently the rest of the text is lost if one of those is in the text.

[William769]

23. Yes.

[redqueen]

25. Fuck, I need a drink.

[William769]

29. Just remember this, if you must drink and drive

Drink Pepsi!

[redqueen]

32. Ha, no, I'm at home watching alone.

And after the end of that game I need a drink drink!

[William769]

38. To be honest I don't even know what sport is being played.

I just know a bogus alert when I see one.

[redqueen]

40. AHahahahahahahaha!

It's football, baby!
https://twitter.com/usasoccerguy

[sheshe2]

26. Great Jury though William!

[William769]

33. Yes it was I am rarely on one that is unanimous.

[sheshe2]

68. Well how could we lose William!

Cha was there too!

[Cha]

93. Hey William, I was unanimous with you

and sheshe and the other 4 jurors.

[CTyankee]

97. vengeance alert, IMO...

too much of this is going on here.

A some point there has to be a correction of the DU system...we see these alerts that get unanimous or near unanimous jury Leaves and it has to raise a red flag. I wonder if this has been raised in ATA...

[JI7]

9. i bet the person doesn't even have interest in the game

but wanted to use it to try to get the person a hide.

[sheshe2]

22. I do believe that you are right, JI7. eom

[BainsBane]

11. My god

What is wrong with people.

[sheshe2]

18. Yup!

I do believe that had more to it than "spoiler" for game results. Another game perhaps?

Glad I could be there BainsBain!

[BainsBane]

20. Thanks. That is why I didn't put the news in the subject line

so as not to give a spoiler. Everyone watching the cup knows I Believe is the American chant.

Of course it had nothing to do with spoilers. We've had tons of spoiler WC threads.

[redqueen]

27. "Everyone watching the cup knows I Believe is the American chant."

Yep.

It's so obvious that the alerter is NOT a fan.

[sheshe2]

35. I have your back BB. eom

[BainsBane]

36. Thanks, to both you and William

and all the jurors.

[sheshe2]

42. LOL...

Cha too!

[BainsBane]

45. Just saw that, Cha too!

[CTyankee]

98. IMO, immaturity and a mean streak...

[BainsBane]

99. Certainly the latter. nt

[Cha]

24. I was on that jury and was just coming to post it.. because it was too Funny, she..

I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025136686

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Spoiler.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. An alert for this!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF! Ask her to put "spoiler" in the title. Crappy, vindictive alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you're going to watch the game later you shouldn't even be online, let alone on DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry.

#7 here..

[trumad]

28. fucking fantastic alert

Probably the best ever. Spoiler ??? Too fucking funny.

[Cha]

50. Going for..

the funniest most frivolous alert, ever!

[BainsBane]

84. Well you know they have to crack down on censorship

by censoring people like me.

[malaise]

34. Stupid alert

[Cha]

49. Gives alerters a

bad name, malaise

[TheBlackAdder]

82. Alerters HAVE a bad name. Many place personal agendas, biases, and feelings above the collective.

Censorship is excessive here, as we can see on this thread.


I was on a jury over a week ago when someone posted an innocent quote on a religious thread. A quote that incited thought and reflection. That was jumped on quickly and was hidden by a 4-3 vote. I posted a few comments on a religious thread and I just waiting for them to be taken down for the same reasons - I upset someone, though they were moderately intellectual and on topic.


I chose my posts to reply to because there are certain members who seem to have taken on the role of "Team DU - World Police."

Replying to certain topics will almost certainly gain the wrath of those who don't want challenging thoughts. As such, I do not participate here as much as I would like.



There aren't a lot of members here who seem to act like Mrs. Kravitz from the TV series Bewitched, but it just takes a few. They will complain about some post, write up a halfway believable reason why the post was hurtful and, if a majority of the jurists lean their way... they WIN!

===

I'm a EFF supporter and, while I might not like a post, I would not consider flaging others unless something egregious were written.

I know of at least a half dozen members who should have their flagging privileges suspended for a while. It baffles me that they are allowed to censor, unless they were given some carte blanche approval to do so. There should be a cap of 5 flags a month, no more.

[Cha]

91. "Team DU - World Police." are a whiny bunch. I never alert.. unless I come across some obvious

rw troll who got lost.. but that rarely happens. That 7 to 0 person who alerted this OP won't be alerting for what, 24 hours?

[sheshe2]

39. LOL Cha!

You William and I were all on it!

[Cha]

46. Now that's funny! Rofl

[sheshe2]

60. Not guilty!

Oh Snap~



Cha

[Cha]

63. Rec :)

[sheshe2]

64. ...

[redqueen]

6. Oh fucking fucking fucking fuck fuck fuck

FUCK

[mcar]

81. That says it

What a finish. The US played so much better tonight. That was just a heartbreaker.

This is why I love this sport. I don't know how anyone could say it's boring.

[BainsBane]

8. Fuck

[redqueen]

58. My sentiments exactly.

OK time for that drink.

[redqueen]

10. Well who thinks we can beat Germany?

[Ron Obvious]

37. A draw will suffice

Germany will win the group and the US will finish in second place no matter what happens in the other game.

Hard to see that game finish anything other than a draw, really.

Great game, though, for the US!

[redqueen]

47. Yeah, I saw that.

Our confidence should be good going in so that's a plus. Still though, it's Germany.

[BainsBane]

69. Do we have a chance of advancing if we lose to Germany?

Portugal and Ghana have each lost one, so if we lose to Germany it goes to numbers of goals?

[Ron Obvious]

71. If Portugal - Ghana doesn't produce a winner...

...The US will advance regardless (4 pts vs 2 pts). Portugal have a maximum of 4 points, which the US already have, in which case it would come down to goal difference if they beat Ghana and the US loses. Remember Portugal have a terrible goal difference.

If Portugal beats Ghana by anything but a huge margin, the US would advance even with a small loss to Germany. A big Ghana victory against Portugal would be the worst thing that could happen, but even then a draw will suffice for the US (and Germany would win the group)

[BainsBane]

73. Thank you.

I appreciate your knowledge. I started watching soccer when I lived in Brazil, basically because I had to. Yet I only finally figured out how off-side works the other day, so I'm not exactly well-versed in the sport. Still, I like it better than other team sports.

[Ron Obvious]

76. You're welcome

One of the fascinating things about this sport is the endless permutations of possible results and the dependencies on what happens in other games.

This sport has the smallest margins between ecstasy and despair than any sport I know. I've seen a comfortable situation change to a hopeless one in seconds and vice versa.

The final round of group games will be played simultaneously, btw. This is to avoid any team knowing ahead of time how the other game in the group finished and knowing exactly what they need to do.

This was prompted by the worst game in the history of the sport, Germany - Austria 1982, to which I alluded earlier. Algeria (who had shocked Germany in the opener) had finished their final game and Germany and Austria both knew that a 1 -0 German victory would be enough to see both teams through to the next round when they played. After Germany took a 1-0 lead, both teams just kicked the ball around for 70 minutes without even attempting to disguise what they were doing. I remember turning off the TV in disgust.

We could be in for a scenario exactly like that on Thursday, of course. I'm not saying it will happen, but with the US having a German manager with excellent connections in the German camp....

[redqueen]

78. Ah no way.

Seriously now that wouldn't happen. I can see both managers being conservative because they both know what they need to do, but that kind of nonsense just won't happen.


Oops and also thank you for the breakdown.

[BainsBane]

83. That's terrible

And I must say I can't help thinking of Germany and Austria's past alliance.


Will Altidore be able to play in the next game?

[Ron Obvious]

85. Almost certainly not...

A hamstring injury usually takes 6-8 weeks to recover. He knew it, that's why he took it so hard.

[BainsBane]

86. It looked like it got pulled on its own accord

not because the other player did anything. Did I miss something?

[Ron Obvious]

87. It's a common injury in the sport

It's all the sudden twist and turns. Whenever you see a player suddenly collapse with nobody near him, it's very often a hamstring injury.

There's nothing you can do about it. It just takes time to heal, and you don't want to re-injure it by coming back too soon, because that will really aggravate it.

[BainsBane]

94. Major bummer

Because he is a real asset to the team. Imagine if he'd been there yesterday.

[JI7]

13. if portugal loses does this mean they are out ?

[BainsBane]

16. Yes, but they didn't

[SidDithers]

14. Oops...nt

Sid

[redqueen]

15. You are mean

[Yavin4]

21. If Ghana and Portugal tie, don't we advance?

Or am I wrong?

[Cali_Democrat]

30. Yes.

[BainsBane]

31. I'm not sure

Ghana tied against Germany, so that hurts the US. I don't know the procedures very well.

[Ron Obvious]

44. The US just needs to avoid losing to Germany

A draw would give them 5 points, while Portugal and Ghana can only get 4 max.

Doable, I think. Both sides will be happy with a draw.

On edit: math was off.

[BainsBane]

70. Easier said that done. They are one of the best teams there.

[CTyankee]

96. I agree...while we have a fine spirit and good playing, soccer isn't yet ingrained

in us as much as it is in Europeans. Just my gut feeling...

But I look forward to seeing the match and it would be great if we won...

[jakeXT]

77. Even if the US is defeated and Portugal wins, they still have bad goal difference

If the United States ties Portugal, then either Ghana or Portugal could finish the group with a maximum of four points (those two countries meet June 26th). If the United States loses to Germany and also finishes with four points, then the Americans would have to rely on goal difference. As of right now, the U.S. have a +1 goal difference, two better than Ghana’s -1 and five better than Portugal’s -4. Assuming the U.S. ties Portugal , the goal difference wouldn’t change, so the U.S. would be hoping that Portugal beats Ghana by a small margin, while also not giving up too many goals to Germany.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/united-states-world-cup-portugal-outcomes-group

[TexasTowelie]

51. You are correct if there is a tie.

Current standings:

Germany - 4 pts, +4 on goal differential
USA - 4 pts, +1 on GD
Ghana - 1 pt, -1 on GD
Portugal - 1 pt, -4 on GD

If the USA wins or draws with Germany, then we are in.
If USA loses and Ghana wins over Portugal, then we are in due to our victory in the game we played against them.
If USA loses and Portugal ties Ghana, then we are in.
If USA loses and Portugal wins over Ghana, then they would have to make up the five points in GD.

[LittleBlue]

57. I thought it goes to GD before head-to-head

In which case, it's a 2 goal margin and we're playing Germany

[TexasTowelie]

66. You are correct.

If the USA loses and there is a definitive winner in the Ghana/Portugal game then we would be tied with the winner with 4 points. It would then go to tiebreaker b. Overall, we are stronger in the tiebreakers against Portugal than against Ghana due to the big loss that Portugal had against Germany.

Tiebreakers

a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches

b) goal difference in all group matches

c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned

e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned

f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned

g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee
Comments

[WinkyDink]

41. Ronaldo comes through at the end! (He's my soccer version of Mugshot Heart-throb, hee.)

[redqueen]

48. Here's a sexy pic for you

:large

[WinkyDink]

52. You were saying? ;-)

[redqueen]

54. How do you spell the onomatopoeia for the vomit noise?

[WinkyDink]

88. "Blargh!"

[JI7]

59. airbrushed

[WinkyDink]

90. Not one celebrity photo---not one---is published untouched-up.

[BainsBane]

74. Okay, now I have to post this

Sent to me by his number 1 fan.

[WinkyDink]

89. Oh, Becks is fiiiine!

[BainsBane]

92. Remember when he had that shirtless cover on Vanity Fair?

I was walking through Walgreen's, spotted it from a ways away, and stopped dead in my tracks. I was breathless. That is the only time a photo had that kind of effect on me. Ten years ago and I still remember it.

And here it is:

[BainsBane]

72. There are no shortage of beautiful men in soccer

That's for sure. Ronaldo wouldn't be my personal fav, but to each his or her own.

[n2doc]

43. Scenarios to advance

http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/story/1900755/how-the-us-can-qualify-for-the-last-16

Better hope Germany has a bad day. And Ghana-Portugal tie.

[BainsBane]

56. Was that done yesterday or today?

I can't tell.

[n2doc]

62. Yesterday. So the tie with Portugal scenarios apply. n/t

[BainsBane]

67. That means the odds are very different.

Nate doesn't look like he belongs in Brazil.

[Cali_Democrat]

75. If Portugal wins, but only by a goal or two

And the US doesn't get blown out...US can move on even with a loss

Because Portugal is -4 right now in goal differential.

[itsrobert]

55. HA HA HA 2-2 TIE

SOCCER SUCKS!!!

[barbtries]

61. then a few more minutes passed...

hope they can stay alive for the rest of the tournament!

[BainsBane]

65. Okay, I like a guy with dreadlocks as much as the next woman

but



Why do they stick out every which way?

[snooper2]

79. is it too early for fake injury videos

[redqueen]

80. Hell no, post 'em up!

[11 Bravo]

95. I'm not a big soccer fan, but that was devastating.

Literally seconds away!