Van Jones: Hillary Is "Blowing" It; Watch Out For Elizabeth Warren

[MannyGoldstein]

Van Jones: Hillary Is "Blowing" It; Watch Out For Elizabeth Warren

VAN JONES: But, you know, I feel badly because I actually like her a lot. But I think she's blowing it. And I think she's actually emboldening -- if I were Elizabeth Warren or if I were Schweitzer, I would be sharpening my pencils and getting ready to go because I think she comes across badly.

I wonder, and you've been in public life and you know it's tough, I wonder if she tries to come back from some of these injuries, that there's not still a sense of aggrievement there that she sometimes creeps into her comment.

Et tu, Van?

[RobertEarl]

1. She was ok as SoS

But still too much of a war maker. Good thing Obama was more peace minded.

Heck, if Hill had voted NO to invading Iraq, she might have been president. And if she was a better campaigner. She's no Bill.

Anyway, i feel bad for all our people getting their hearts set on Hill-45. They may be setting themselves up for an awful let down when she decides not to run. I guess if we can prime them for that we'd be doing them a favor?

[pscot]

45. ARe you getting the sense

that she may not run? If Warren contributes materially to a couple of upsets, especially if she helps knock off McConnell, that would rock the beltway crowd.

[JEB]

2. I'd vote for Van.

[leftstreet]

3. Does DU love Jones, or hate him? I can't remember

[silvershadow]

12. LOL nt

[grahamhgreen]

21. Love

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

30. Love him...

until he says something we don't like.

[closeupready]

40. Same with Andrew Sullivan.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

44. What Have You Done For Me Lately Underground (nt)

[bradla]

4. Nonsense, if she runs she will win.

[reddread]

5. a bold assertion

just dont involve me in any assumptions.
if victory was paramount (as people often say)
Hillary would not get support. If she gets to the general,
GOOD LUCK!

[Dawgs]

19. Amazing how people can say that after what happened in 2008.

[closeupready]

41. Yeah, but THIS time, it's simply INEVITABLE.

So there's that.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Again. nt

[rhett o rick]

46. Of course the boldness of the oligarchy. Yeah. nm

[C Moon]

6. In the 2008 primiaries I was leaning toward Clinton. My wife picked Obama very early on.

Near the end of the primary, I felt Hilary began to seem weak. I'm not into the macho thing, but I don't think the tears bit helped her at all.

I can't help but think that could still hurt her in 2016. I hope not. The GOP seems fearful of her, so that's a good sign.

Anyways, I should be mad at myself here, because we still have a MID-TERM election that is VERY important.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

7. Must resist Monica reference,....must resist....

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

31. I'm ashamed of you...

Don't you know that resistance is futile?!

[joshcryer]

8. Let's hope.

[Alex P Notkeaton]

9. Do we want to win?

If I could wish Warren into the Oval Office, I would. But I don't want even the chance of a Republicretin House, Senate and Presidency in 2017!

[rhett o rick]

47. Winning isnt as important as keeping our principles. Go ahead and sell your soul to Goldman-Sachs-O

Gold for a "win". What's a win worth if you've given up your soul? H. Clinton-Sachs may win, but it will be because Wall Street loves her. If that's the side you want to be on, go for it.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Hillary's not running, yet. But if she runs on "inevitability" (again) & pandering to a nonexistent

"middle" full of imaginary values voters who just want to hear about the Bible.... instead of brave political leadership designed to actually improve the lives of actual people, then yeah.... she will blow it.

[The Traveler]

11. Hillary can definitely win it

She's certainly "the one to beat" right now ... no one else comes close in terms of her political influence and approval in the general public. Few are better at facing down the right wing hate machine.

But she does have a way of walking right into her areas of vulnerability and making them worse. She could definitely blow it.

Disclosure: I lean towards Liz Warren or Bernie ... not really a big Hillary fan. I want a robust primary season ... the Democratic Party needs to hammer out what it proposes for the next 4-8 years, and primaries help do that. But, also, we need to spin up some other candidates just in case something goes wrong with a Clinton candidacy.

Still, I wouldn't bet against her at this point. I think she's going to run. If she runs, I think the odds are heavily in her favor. And I'm ok with that.

Trav

[silvershadow]

13. Lizzie Warren took an ax and gave the 1% 40 whacks. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

36. Will she start with herself? She's very much part of the 1%

She's worth many millions of dollars. Would her first step involve torching her 5 million dollar home and also the townhouse in DC, worth another million, give or take?
I just don't get the thing of pretending she is not a rich former Republican. She is. She was a Republican when that meant racist, homophobic and against the poor. Which it still does, but then they had the AIDS crisis to use as weapon, which her Party sure did. She voted for that. And she's a multi millionaire. 40 whacks. Please.

[silvershadow]

39. She certainly made a drastic,dramatic turnaround then, didn't she? Much more populist than,

say, Clinton?

[rhett o rick]

49. But what's your point? Dont you agree she has spoken out in support of the 99.9%

more than H. Clinton-Sachs that has made it clear she stands with the banksters?

[Iwillnevergiveup]

14. It hit me today

Elizabeth is going to campaign with Allison in Kentucky. Shouldn't Hillary be doing something like that, too? Even better: Let's see both of them go help Wendy in Texas.

[davidpdx]

15. No, probably not

Because the Old Orange Hound has threatened to tie her to all the White House scandals making Grimes reluctant to ask her to help.

[JI7]

16. Bill Clinton has been campainging with her and his early support for Grimes is why Ashley Judd

decided to not get into the race.

i think Hillary may not be there as much right now because the media will turn it into "will she run for pres" type thing rather than making the event about the Dem Candidates running for office.

[davidpdx]

17. That makes sense

Might as well not have her come out closer to the end of the campaign like after Labor Day.

[Enrique]

18. Van Jones is a TV pundit now

he's James Carville to Newt Gingrich's Mary Matalin. They have to fill airtime with stuff. The last thing we should do is think very hard about what these people say.

[Boom Sound 416]

20. Their seems to be two clear camps to the party

And the president's camp would like to have some influence over its successor.

[Metric System]

23. I think Schweitzer already blew it.

[Larkspur]

27. Maybe but at least his apology was a real apology

Not a "If I offended you, I'm sorry" type of apology.

Schweitzer needs to stick with his economic populist line of attack and needs to moderate his stance on guns, like Howard Dean did. If he does that he could improve his stance among Democrats.

[Cerridwen]

24. Why doesn't anyone posit the idea that both run together?

Why not a Warren/Clinton or Clinton/Warren ticket?

Oh...wait. Two women rather than two men. *sigh* Nevermind. Wrong century.

[jeff47]

25. Because very few are motivated positively by the VP candidate. (nt)

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. Joaquin Castro

He's a little young (but old enough per the constitution should something happen to the President). But having Joaquin Castro on the ballot as VP would be pretty motivating.

[jeff47]

35. For a small number of people.

There's a small number of people who can be motivated by a VP candidate.

Most people think of the VP the same way Teddy Roosevelt felt about being VP. That it's a do-nothing job. So people generally don't care enough about the VP unless there's something negative. Then it's used as showing bad judgement.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

38. True...but

The first Hispanic VP certainly could shore up the vote in place like New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado. With the right top of the ticket, it could even put Texas and Florida on the table.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. I suppose I'd still vote for Warren if Clinton were her VP.

But I'd prefer Barbara Lee as Warren's VP.

[HERVEPA]

29. or Geddy Lee.

Sorry, but these threads are all just so repetitiive and ludicrous.

[closeupready]

42. I like Lee Meriwether. But that's just me.

Hey.

[HERVEPA]

43. Rather informal of you. Lee Ann Merriweather. Miss America winners usually have 3 names

[bigtree]

28. VAN JONES ON RAND PAUL: "I AM LOVING THIS GUY"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/24/van_jones_on_rand_paul_i_am_loving_this_guy.html

[joeybee12]

32. Actually, he's very wrong on this...she's smart, she got the book out now...

And all the criticism that was bound to come of it, all the quotes taken out of context...the media will soon turn to someone else to sink their teeth into and she can quietly start building up her campaign for a bit.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. When I first met Van he was working for Arianna Huffington for Governor

At that time, he was very supportive of her vast luxury spending 'she's rich, she has the right, should not be an issue'.
He ran away to punditry and let Shirley Sherrod take his heat for him.
He is now co hosting with Newt I believe.

[ellie]

37. Oh? Has she declared her intention to run for president?

Has the campaign started?

[winter is coming]

48. Van Jones?? I didn't know Alex had a brother. n/t