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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:04 PM Jun 2014

Robert Reich on today's SC decision...

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/820248304654434?fref=nf

Robert Reich

The five Republicans appointees to the Supreme Court extended their view that corporations are people in today’s the “Hobby Lobby” case, finding that family-owned companies have freedom of religion and so don’t have to comply with the Affordable Care Act’s requirement to include contraceptive services in employee health insurance. What about the rights of employees to receive these services? According to the Court’s majority, the federal government should just pay for these services directly. “The most straightforward way of doing this would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections.” In other words, the five Republican appointees to the Court suggest the government establish a single-payer plan for contraceptive services. Remarkable.
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Robert Reich on today's SC decision... (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
I think those five misogynistic bastards may have just cooked themselves Skittles Jun 2014 #1
yep - and I hope this one backfires bigtime rurallib Jun 2014 #7
*fingers crossed* Soylent Brice Jun 2014 #11
We need to do away with employer based abelenkpe Jun 2014 #2
Indeed. Medicare for All. LoisB Jun 2014 #12
All we have to do is retake the house, keep the senate, pass an amendment Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #3
And we will still have 50 million people in poverty. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #4
so when do propose we start fixing the mess the GOP made of this country azureblue Jun 2014 #6
Fixing it is different from pandering to a bunch of stupid actions that won't jtuck004 Jun 2014 #14
Turning Back The Neoliberal Crap Could Dirty Socialist Jun 2014 #16
Certainly. But that means HUGE investment, something I would bet this jtuck004 Jul 2014 #17
Seems that's what Warren is saying. Reverse what the psychos have done. rickyhall Jun 2014 #9
None of that reverses anything. All the scores of trillions of dollars lost in the past 4 decades jtuck004 Jun 2014 #15
I've read you postings in this sub-thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #22
Employer based / insurance based is what is wrong. Single payer is the only way to go. Tell the YOHABLO Jun 2014 #5
Too bad the Dems went all out to preserve the employer-based system Distant Quasar Jul 2014 #23
why are employers the enemy? quadrature Jun 2014 #8
Yes, a lot of progress has been happening thanks to the christofascists getting more extreme. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #10
Will corporations get bored with the First and start looking at the Second? Thor_MN Jun 2014 #13
That just blows me away: freshwest Jul 2014 #18
P. S. My blood pressure just went down. Thanks, babylonsister! freshwest Jul 2014 #19
Idiots! Instead of single payer in the first fucking place! lonestarnot Jul 2014 #20
A journey of a thousand miles begins. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #21
Off the rails I go!! Corporations ARE people. 7962 Jul 2014 #24

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
1. I think those five misogynistic bastards may have just cooked themselves
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jun 2014

Mr. Reich is indeed correct - they just affirmed WHY we need single-payer

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
7. yep - and I hope this one backfires bigtime
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

99% of American women have used or are using birth control. I hope they understand what this means and vote accordingly

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
2. We need to do away with employer based
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jun 2014

Healthcare. Single payer would solve this and so many other problems.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. All we have to do is retake the house, keep the senate, pass an amendment
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jun 2014

eliminating all private funding of elections, pack the court with another 2 justices, pass another amendment clearly spelling out that corporations are NOT PEOPLE, and undo the last 34 years (or perhaps 38) of neoliberal idiocy.

Piece of fucking cake.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
6. so when do propose we start fixing the mess the GOP made of this country
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jun 2014

when it is convenient for you?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
14. Fixing it is different from pandering to a bunch of stupid actions that won't
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jun 2014

fix jack shit. Unless one's standards are incredibly low.

Because that doesn't do a fucking thing to fix the damage of the last 40 years, and as soon as all that is done, regardless of how good it is, not a fucking thing is going to change, regardless of how many self-important weak-brained smart-mouth jackasses think so.

We will still need an investment of over $50 trillion in pure factory upgrades, an upgrade to the now clearly insufficient education that tens of millions of adults have, and NONE of that does anything to bring back the lives or health of the 7 million FAMILIES who were foreclosed on, or the 9 million loans that are underwater, and it doesn't do a fucking thing to bring back the over 20 million decent jobs we are now short.

So do you have solutions or just useless snark?

Never mind - I'll just put you on ignore, doesn't look like you have much else to offer.



Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
16. Turning Back The Neoliberal Crap Could
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:10 PM
Jun 2014

Lift many out of poverty. Funding education and infrastructure would help too.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
17. Certainly. But that means HUGE investment, something I would bet this
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:54 AM
Jul 2014

county is too short-sighted to do like it did a hundred years ago. We are in such a deep fucking hole that we are paying out over a $trillion a year to banks just to try and keep the housing market from tanking. There are still likely trillions in phonied up money hidden by the actions of the federal reserve and banks, we have perhaps 10-15 million perfectly able yet permanently unemployed people who should be working and never will, and perhaps 100 million with jobs that cannot sustain any kind of normal life, with no hope of that ever changing. There are 9 million home loans on homes that are no longer worth what they loans are written for. And this administration will end with more people consigned to being working poor than any presidency in decades.

Assuming everything got change to perfect today, there is such serious, long-term systemic damage it would still take at least a decade, probably two, to even begin to make a noticeable dent in those numbers, unless one's standards and hopes have been beaten so low now that even 2 or 3 would seem like a fucking miracle, or unless they are one of the marketing or cheerleader types. They always seem to get a thrill no matter what.

The biggest challenge is that Americans have been taught by the last 4 generations of politicians that there is no good in the long term and that profits are more important than people. And with a whole country acting like that, like they do today, you might as well try pissing up a rope in a windstorm, because the more you try invest in the sizable numbers that will be needed, the more resistance you are likely to face from the very people who you "think" you are helping.

Remember Normandy? Thousands of men poured off boats knowing for a FACT they were about to die, and did so perhaps because they thought death was a better alternative than slavery. They KNEW the benefit was going to accrue, not to them, but to someone else, the ultimate sacrifice. That's what it takes to win any war.

We are at war with these bastards, but this side, the one with 300+ million people, is not only NOT storming the beach, we are watching cable. We show no sign of getting up, either, as long as we can have it.

And until we address that particular deficit it won't matter who is voted into where, we will at best just delay the end for a while longer.



 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. None of that reverses anything. All the scores of trillions of dollars lost in the past 4 decades
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014

is not going to be made up by any of that stuff. All that does is set the stage, but it will be decades before you see the results, and that's assuming the next election doesn't change anything.

Wave your hand - pretend all of that is done today. Not a thing has changed, and you will need to write a government check for, say, $50 trillion, just to get started rebuilding what has been lost. That will take decades.

So what that it leaves us with is tens of millions of people going info their 50's and above with not jack shit for a future they can count on, and an increasing likelihood that they will live in poverty sometime during the rest of their lives, because nothing will be changed fast enough to prevent it.

That's assuming all the above came true. It won't.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. I've read you postings in this sub-thread ...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jul 2014

and all I get from it is REVOLUTION!!! ... with no plan.

Help me ... what am I missing?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
5. Employer based / insurance based is what is wrong. Single payer is the only way to go. Tell the
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jun 2014

health insurance companies to go to hell.

Distant Quasar

(142 posts)
23. Too bad the Dems went all out to preserve the employer-based system
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jul 2014

Now we're stuck with it. This absurd situation is just the tip of the iceberg.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
10. Yes, a lot of progress has been happening thanks to the christofascists getting more extreme.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

And no thanks to CorpoMediaMonkeys....

Thank you innertoobz!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. That just blows me away:
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:22 AM
Jul 2014
According to the Court’s majority, the federal government should just pay for these services directly.

“The most straightforward way of doing this would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections.”

In other words, the five Republican appointees to the Court suggest the government establish a single-payer plan for contraceptive services. Remarkable.


Well, if they said that, I will put the pitchforks back in the barn. The torches, however, will stay lit for a while to expose the Kochroaches.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
24. Off the rails I go!! Corporations ARE people.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:28 PM
Jul 2014

You cannot have a corporation without people. A corporation can be punished. It can be fined. PEOPLE can be put in jail. A corporation has rights. They can make decisions. Etc Etc. ALL of this requires PEOPLE. I've never seen a faceless entity moving down the street that was a corporation. I have seen a Board of Directors and a CEO who were.
If you take away the people, there is no more corporation.
Except maybe in the Matrix.

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