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[dilby]

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[jberryhill]

1. No

There is no medical condition for which a man would need Plan B.

Given that a man has no legitimate medical purpose for which this drug is indicated, then why would his insurance cover it?

"Buying something for someone else" has never been a condition of reimbursement for insurance purposes. The "insured" is the person who needs to have the medical condition for which a treatment is indicated.

Likewise, you do not have a Constitutionally protected right to an abortion, if that is your next question.

[jberryhill]

9. A medical condition doesn't care

If the person, however they may identify themselves, is in a medically indicated need of a medication, then it is covered by their insurance.

[ZombieHorde]

17. Plan B is a medication

for people who can become pregnant, but don't want to be pregnant.

[dilby]

16. The purpose of Plan B is to avoid pregnancy.

It takes two people to make a baby so i think the man has as much financial responsibility as the woman.

[jberryhill]

21. The purpose of insurance is to cover an individual's medical expenses

And coverage of medications is limited to medications which are indicated for that individual.

Amusing, but a non-starter.

[BainsBane]

23. You could pay for the woman's then

Somehow I doubt this has anything to do with responsibility.
Should MY insurance cover a vasectomy so I can force my partner to have one?

[notadmblnd]

41. your post made me wonder.... do these religious group's insurance carriers

cover vasectomies for men?

[BainsBane]

32. What you fail to realize, is that a woman's right NOT to end that pregnancy

Is every bit as important as her right to choose to end that pregnancy.

[Mass]

3. Even in countries with single payer, you cannot be reimbursed for a medication that

is not for you.

[jberryhill]

5. Okay...

So if your insurance covers an appendectomy, but you don't have appendicitis, I doubt your insurance will let you loan that coverage out to someone else.

"Hey, my friend wants to use the appendectomy I don't need. Will you cover that?"

[JustAnotherGen]

12. You know jberryhill

It's sad when all a person does is use logic and I laugh out loud. But I thank you for the logic and reasonable approach.

But I'm still laughing as I type this.

[redqueen]

4. JFC

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Me too - I cosign that

[snooper2]

11. out of curiousity I searched Jesus Fucking Christ on YouTube

This is the top video LOL...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Does insurance for men cover any form of BC? Condoms? Vasectomies?

Honest question.

[dilby]

10. No it does not.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Mine covers vasectomies

And tubals.

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. The tubals are free.

Or for the pedants among us; "shall not impose any cost sharing requirements"

See section 2713

[JustAnotherGen]

34. No they aren't

And I can't read your link.

One salpingectomy (left tube) May 2013 had a little over an $800 co-pay at Somerset Medical Center.

They did cover the abortion fully (ectopic) that wasn't realized until I went under.

If you think these scenarios are just hair on fire - think again.

We are all around you. Right here at DU. And we are giving you a first hand education about reproductive choices in marriages.

And just be glad you aren't the husband who found out his wife was pregnant - and how she was pregnant - to what had to be signed off on in 10 seconds. You are very lucky to never be that man in that situation. Elation to Despair in 10 seconds. I hope that NEVER touches you or your family, daughters, sisters, sons, etc. etc.


Starshine. Sparkle. Enjoy your charmed life.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. YES, they are.

http://www.hrsa.gov/womensguidelines/#footnote2

ACA compliant policies offer, free of charge, "All Food and Drug Administration approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling for all women with reproductive capacity."

Hobby Lobby has essentially been awarded a waiver for their non-compliant policies.

I have no idea why you "can't read the link". Hopefully you'll have better luck this time. If not, you can always google "affordable care act full text" and read section 2713.

[redqueen]

18. Wrong. HL's plan covers vasectomies. nt

[kcr]

22. Since when did insurance not cover vasectomies? n/t

[notadmblnd]

42. BSBC paid for my husand's vasectomy back in 1993.

Do you know when this changed?

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. Some insurers cover vasectomies, some do not.

The ACA is completely silent on the issue, no employer or insurer is required to offer it, and they are not obliged to provide them under section 2713 - free preventive care services.

[redqueen]

13. Yes, HL's plan covers vasectomies.

No it doesn't cover $3 condoms.

[dsc]

19. some (likely most) insurance plans cover vasectomies

and some do not. There is no requirement for them to be covered.

[redqueen]

30. Well gee isn't it nice that HL decided it should be covered. nt

[dsc]

31. but the Catholic plaintiffs who won today

don't cover them.

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. The ruling doesn't affect coverage (or lack thereof) for Vasectomies

The plaintiffs never offered them before and the ACA didn't require it anyway.

[dawg]

14. Vasectomies should be covered.

Condoms are over the counter, and are therefore not covered. (Which makes very little sense, but that's just another crazy aspect of our for-profit healthcare system).

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. Depends. Maybe or maybe not, but they ARE subject to copays and deductibles.

‘‘SEC. 2713. COVERAGE OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH SERVICES.
7 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—A group health plan and a health
8 insurance issuer offering group or individual health insur-
9 ance coverage shall, at a minimum provide coverage for and
10 shall not impose any cost sharing requirements for—
11 ‘‘(1) evidence-based items or services that have in
12 effect a rating of ‘A’ or ‘B’ in the current rec-
13 ommendations of the United States Preventive Serv-
14 ices Task Force;
15 ‘‘(2) immunizations that have in effect a rec-
16 ommendation from the Advisory Committee on Im-
17 munization Practices of the Centers for Disease Con-
18 trol and Prevention with respect to the individual in-
19 volved; and
20 ‘‘(3) with respect to infants, children, and ado-
21 lescents, evidence-informed preventive care and
22 screenings provided for in the comprehensive guide-
23 lines supported by the Health Resources and Services
24 Administration.
1 ‘‘(4) with respect to women, such additional pre-
2 ventive care and screenings not described in para-
3 graph (1) as provided for in comprehensive guidelines
4 supported by the Health Resources and Services Ad-
5 ministration for purposes of this paragraph.
6 ‘‘(5) for the purposes of this Act, and for the pur-
7 poses of any other provision of law, the current rec-
8 ommendations of the United States Preventive Service
9 Task Force regarding breast cancer screening, mam-
10 mography, and prevention shall be considered the
11 most current other than those issued in or around No-
12 vember 2009.

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/patient-protection.pdf

The HRSA list (additional preventive care and screenings for women) is the only place that reproductive health products and procedures are listed.

Vasectomies are not considered "preventive health care" and are therefore not free. They are "covered" in the same sense that heart disease or lupus may (or may not) be covered, depending on the policy.

Also, there's no requirement in the ACA that vasectomies be covered at all, thus no need to go to court to express ones "every sperm is sacred" religious sensibilities.

Thus the court has ruled that Plan B is subject to exactly the same protection and legal mandate as vasectomies; i.e. none at all.

[BainsBane]

20. Considering you can't take it

Why would it cover you? Do you not get that women's reproductive rights are about our own choices, not a man's right to control out bodies?

[jberryhill]

24. Who knows, maybe he thinks roofies are covered too

[BainsBane]

25. Or that they should be, perhaps?

[jberryhill]

27. "Buy the convenient twin pack"

[former9thward]

29. No it should not be covered for men.

The reason health insurance has become so expensive is that everyone wants everything covered. Medical insurance should just cover expenses that people don't ordinarily have the money for. Should medical insurance cover bandages? Does homeowners insurance cover a simple plumbing repair? No. Does auto insurance cover when your battery dies? No. Both of those types of insurance have reasonable costs compared with health insurance. There is a reason for that.

[BainsBane]

33. Jury Fail

On Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:46 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Should Men be able to use their Insurance to purchase Plan B?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025178385

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Think about what this OP is asking. Why can't he as a man have insurance coverage for a medication designed for women. He can't get pregnant. The only purpose of this is to give it to a woman, to control her body. That is offensive.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:25 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Perhaps the female WANTS him to buy it. Sorry, I don't find it offensive. It may be a dumb question but stop trying to find boogie-men.
signed - a female and a feminist
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is too stupid to be offensive. Let this stupid OP ring out across DU and expose the poster as a nincompoop!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: How do we know it is about controlling a woman's body? Maybe it is what she wishes and you seem to be taking that decision away from her.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So answer him instead of misusing the jury system and wasting our time.


Jurors. Read the thread., If women's reproductive rights are considered a waste of jury time on a Democratic site, something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

[dilby]

36. U mad bro?

[LanternWaste]

43. You appear irrational...

You appear irrational in this particular instance... a bit hysterical even. Somewhat shrill. Is there a reason you come across as overly-emotional?

[etherealtruth]

37. Our jury system appears to have a lot of tolerance for misogyny

[redqueen]

39. Wow. What unbelievable cluelessness.

My favorite is the one about how maybe some woman somewhere thinks it makes sense for men to be able to sabotage any woman's pregnancy - and somehow that makes it ok for men to propose that they be able to do so.

[etherealtruth]

35. You are quite wrong about your insurance

If you have a medical need for Levonorgestrel (AKA Plan B) it would be covered for you if it is within their formulary. Insurance companies typically do not cover drugs when there is no medical need .

I realize you are very invested in trivializing this issue ... perhaps you should do a little soul searching and ask your self why ...?

[Warpy]

38. I'm sure they'll reconsider that

when men start getting unwanted pregnancies.

[IronLionZion]

44. If you were married and had a family plan

then maybe.

I was in such a situation last year where I took my girlfriend at the time to get plan b. She used her insurance and I gave her cash for the copay. She was so mad at me that day, for no apparent reason. She had been on the pill already for an unrelated medical condition but for some reason she wanted plan b that day.

They really need to approve more types of birth control for men beyond condoms and vasectomy.

They're experimenting with reversible options in India.