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edhopper

(37,370 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:18 PM Jul 2014

We do not only use 10% of our brain.

It's a myth from a hundred years ago and it's disturbing how many people still think it's true.
In fact we use all of our brain.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-people-only-use-10-percent-of-their-brains/

And it keeps popping up as the basis for movies and other fiction.

"Limitless" a few years ago and now "Lucy" with ScarJo.

Amazing how durable this BS is.


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We do not only use 10% of our brain. (Original Post) edhopper Jul 2014 OP
Maybe it's a bit like Turbineguy Jul 2014 #1
Sort of. Not all of the brain is used for conscious actions/thinking. NYC Liberal Jul 2014 #3
There's also what we call the subconscious. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #5
because the brain has many areas edhopper Jul 2014 #6
I think it's just the dearth of accurate scientific knowledge, all around, in this country. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #7
It's like people still using the phrase edhopper Jul 2014 #8
Using the phrase literally, in a scientific sense, is a bit silly, yes. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #10
Yes edhopper Jul 2014 #11
People always wrongly oversimplify these things. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #15
"The Missing Link" was found YEARS ago! FrodosPet Jul 2014 #44
or could the missing link be Phlem Jul 2014 #18
The "missing link" edhopper Jul 2014 #38
I understand that Phlem Jul 2014 #49
Sorry, Poe's law edhopper Jul 2014 #50
The myth comes from early brain researchers ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #28
Makes sense. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #30
I read it another way from the article nolabels Jul 2014 #68
But obviously edhopper Jul 2014 #71
I was just kind of pondering the sloganism nolabels Jul 2014 #80
There is also some stuff I've seen edhopper Jul 2014 #81
Some Native American civilizations were saying that before Lief Erickson happened in nolabels Jul 2014 #88
Maybe it just refers to republicans? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #2
You beat me... 3catwoman3 Jul 2014 #13
And me too!! ailsagirl Jul 2014 #20
Wait, this is us using 100% over a day's span? That's it for us? NOW I'm depressed. genwah Jul 2014 #4
You haven't met the republicans that I have Uben Jul 2014 #9
They also use all their brain edhopper Jul 2014 #12
Nah, they only use the reptilian reflex brain... It's efficient and sufficient for mindlessness. freshwest Jul 2014 #17
Common sense and plain decency are also used sparingly among the RW. Boomerproud Jul 2014 #14
True that there haven't been very many smart conservatives since Buckley and Goldwater passed. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #16
The amount of BS that people believe is depressing. And a real boon for RW politicians. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #19
"What The... deathrind Jul 2014 #21
Full of edhopper Jul 2014 #39
Not only do we use all of it, but sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #22
One of my favorite "Far Side" cartoons was a man sitting in his easy chair in his living room. CrispyQ Jul 2014 #52
Funny sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #56
All of a nation pretending a lie is the truth? How could that happen?...*burp*...Iraq war..*burp*... Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #23
Do we only use 10% of our brain? No, we also misplace the word "only" in sentences. Vattel Jul 2014 #24
Yours is a question edhopper Jul 2014 #40
In both cases, "only" should follow "use" Vattel Jul 2014 #58
Hmmm edhopper Jul 2014 #59
Yes, but grammar nazis like me demand proper usage. Vattel Jul 2014 #62
You can try edhopper Jul 2014 #63
lol Vattel Jul 2014 #64
"muahahahaha" - This is not a word. Please correct your post before the real Slim Shady shows up. snooper2 Jul 2014 #67
Even worse, only vampires laugh like that, and I am a grammar Nazi--not a grammar vampire. Vattel Jul 2014 #87
I can believe that. Phlem Jul 2014 #25
it's one of those closely held beliefs that turns out to be total bullshit on close examination Warpy Jul 2014 #26
well if we don't hfojvt Jul 2014 #27
Why would people believe the Earth is 6000 years old? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #32
because hfojvt Jul 2014 #33
THANK YOU!!!! ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #29
People who "surpass the limit" and use 100% of their brain at once are scientific phenominom Kurska Jul 2014 #31
Lightning DOES strike the same place twice. Jamastiene Jul 2014 #34
Brain functions work more like defacto7 Jul 2014 #35
+1. bemildred Jul 2014 #42
I saw a preview for that dumbass movie Union Scribe Jul 2014 #36
Speek Fr Yrshlrf Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #37
I wouldn't bet on it being that much with the average teabagger. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #41
Absolutely! LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #43
This... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #45
Are you disputing that we use our entire brain edhopper Jul 2014 #46
The limbic system alone (breathing, heart regulation, etc.) has to be way more than 10% ck4829 Jul 2014 #47
Yes, that's the ticket edhopper Jul 2014 #48
What percentage of their respective brains various characters used merrily Jul 2014 #51
Yes, that one too. edhopper Jul 2014 #61
One of my favorite brain books, "The Amazing Brain." CrispyQ Jul 2014 #53
It's like crop rotation. bluedigger Jul 2014 #54
No edhopper Jul 2014 #60
I see your sense of humor has been plowed under. bluedigger Jul 2014 #65
Sorry edhopper Jul 2014 #66
My milk went bad - no coffee for me, either. bluedigger Jul 2014 #69
I always keep a can edhopper Jul 2014 #70
you're right - this is an urban myth. samsingh Jul 2014 #55
Try reading some of the threads whistler162 Jul 2014 #57
We use 100% of our brains? lunatica Jul 2014 #72
LOL edhopper Jul 2014 #73
I was aiming at some twisted dark humor lunatica Jul 2014 #74
I knew you weren't serious edhopper Jul 2014 #75
Thanks! lunatica Jul 2014 #76
the scientific myths that drive me crazy Mosby Jul 2014 #77
But we do use only 5% of our big toe rock Jul 2014 #78
NFL kickers used to use most of their big toe. edhopper Jul 2014 #82
As dependable as, "We can't afford this/that in America." Bullshit. nt valerief Jul 2014 #79
Of course we use all of our brain, but do we use our heart? Avalux Jul 2014 #83
The heart is a muscle to pump blood edhopper Jul 2014 #84
Biologically speaking you're correct. Avalux Jul 2014 #85
I would say edhopper Jul 2014 #86

Turbineguy

(40,077 posts)
1. Maybe it's a bit like
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:20 PM
Jul 2014

the glass that's half full of water. The glass is actually full because it also contains air.

NYC Liberal

(20,453 posts)
3. Sort of. Not all of the brain is used for conscious actions/thinking.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:22 PM
Jul 2014

A LOT of it is dedicated to things like hormone regulation, internal body processes, etc.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
5. There's also what we call the subconscious.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

Maybe the "10%" myth comes from so much of our mental processes being inaccessible to us directly.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
6. because the brain has many areas
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jul 2014

and many functions. Thinking just one of them. The myth comes from a time before neuroscience mapped the brain.
The question is why do so many still believe it.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
7. I think it's just the dearth of accurate scientific knowledge, all around, in this country.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jul 2014

Something the Christian right sure as shit hasn't helped.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
8. It's like people still using the phrase
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jul 2014

"missing link" even though that refers to pre-darwinian biology.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
10. Using the phrase literally, in a scientific sense, is a bit silly, yes.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jul 2014

It's also used in many figurative contexts, though.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
15. People always wrongly oversimplify these things.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jul 2014

Just look at the hatchet job the Ayn Rand types have done on natural selection/"survival of the fittest."

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
38. The "missing link"
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jul 2014

comes from the pre-darwininan idea of the great chain of beings.

It is a nonscientific term.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
49. I understand that
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jul 2014

I have had a subscription SA for years and still do.

Guess I'll turn turn sarcasm on next time.

Did you however read the article?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
28. The myth comes from early brain researchers
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:18 AM
Jul 2014

who said they only understood about 10% of the brain.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
68. I read it another way from the article
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jul 2014

It was written in the article
(snip)
Although there's no definitive culprit to pin the blame on for starting this legend, the notion has been linked to the American psychologist and author William James, who argued in The Energies of Men that "We are making use of only a small part of our possible mental and physical resources."
(snip)

Yet it would seem technically correct for a much lower percentage, for later is this snippet
(snip)
Another mystery hidden within our crinkled cortices is that out of all the brain's cells, only 10 percent are neurons; the other 90 percent are glial cells, which encapsulate and support neurons, but whose function remains largely unknown.
(snip)

Glial are support cells and are not actively involved neural responses -90%

To me, it would seem more correct would be closer to the 3-5% everyone likes to pass around, or maybe lower, after all it takes one to send and one to receive to complete the connection. Really to me what does matter anyway, it all works quite splendidly most of the time.
Would also like try to echo what I've always heard in decades involved in the repair trades, never try to fix something that is working as well and as planned

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
71. But obviously
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jul 2014

the brain can't be all neurons. The percentage of neurons to other cells is how it functions. It would be like saying we can have more muscle without the circulation or skeleton to support it.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
80. I was just kind of pondering the sloganism
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jul 2014

I have seen much postulation about all the functions of the human body as of late. One that kind of got me interested was the idea of what controls the mind as much as the mind controls other things is that multitude of microorganisms (bacteria and such) in digestive system that is equal ten times to what have in cranium and the digestive side might sometimes have greater control over us because of enzymes and other trace substances it produces inside our body. Think about though, neither side would be able to survive without the other. It's a symbiotic relationship that often makes us hungry for similar things daily.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
81. There is also some stuff I've seen
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jul 2014

that the brain moving your arm happens before the thought of moving it does. Are those thoughts just a justification for something the body already decided?

And then there is "what is music?"

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
88. Some Native American civilizations were saying that before Lief Erickson happened in
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jul 2014

Anyway in more recent times i have found that we have this little blurb

HOW YOUR BRAIN TELLS YOUR ARM TO GET READY, SET, GO
(snip)
Instead, roughly 50 milliseconds after the electrical readings showed evidence of perception, a change in neuronal activity signaled the command to touch the target; it came with no apparent further preparation between perception and action. “Ready, set” was unnecessary. In these instances, the neurons just said, “Go!”
(snip)
http://www.futurity.org/brain-gets-set-action/

And like, well duh, i think there is an even more obvious and simpler example in the knee reflex. Imagine all the thing we really don't know about yet

And what i was getting on about with bacteria in our digestive system

What Your Gut Bacteria Say About You
(snip)
"You're Hungry... Very, Very Hungry"
Surprisingly, gut bacteria may also control appetite, nudging you toward the oozy, creamy, crunchy foods they like. Fact is, the little buggers have species-specific appetites (a microbiologist can tell what types of food you eat and predict whether you're slender or not just from the variety of microbes in your stool sample).
(snip)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/16/gut-bacteria-influence_n_3908465.html

Uben

(7,719 posts)
9. You haven't met the republicans that I have
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jul 2014

I'd say 10% was stretching it a bit! More like 2%.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
17. Nah, they only use the reptilian reflex brain... It's efficient and sufficient for mindlessness.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jul 2014
The rest of the gray goo is just busy making excuses for the way they behave.

Boomerproud

(9,292 posts)
14. Common sense and plain decency are also used sparingly among the RW.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jul 2014

They prove it every day.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
16. True that there haven't been very many smart conservatives since Buckley and Goldwater passed.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jul 2014

Anti-intellectualism is like a holy sacrament in present-day red America.

CrispyQ

(40,970 posts)
52. One of my favorite "Far Side" cartoons was a man sitting in his easy chair in his living room.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jul 2014

His head was on the floor next to the chair. Under the toon it read, "Fred discovered the old adage 'use it or lose it' was true."

I love Larsen. So many great laughs!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
23. All of a nation pretending a lie is the truth? How could that happen?...*burp*...Iraq war..*burp*...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jul 2014

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
40. Yours is a question
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:06 AM
Jul 2014

mine is a declarative statement.

"Do we only use 10% of our brain?"
"No, we don't only use 10% of our brain."

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
59. Hmmm
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:43 AM
Jul 2014

I guess you're right grammatically. But it sounds better to me this way.
I'll accept that I chose style over proper usage. The Strunk and White defense.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
62. Yes, but grammar nazis like me demand proper usage.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jul 2014

We have ways of making you talk grammatically, muahahahaha.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
67. "muahahahaha" - This is not a word. Please correct your post before the real Slim Shady shows up.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
87. Even worse, only vampires laugh like that, and I am a grammar Nazi--not a grammar vampire.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:04 PM
Jul 2014

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
25. I can believe that.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jul 2014

Some of the people I've met and some people in the media have uttered words that support this.

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
26. it's one of those closely held beliefs that turns out to be total bullshit on close examination
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:13 AM
Jul 2014

but people will resist changing a belief with all their might and until they are dead.

It's like those "wagon loads of infected smallpox blankets sent to the tribes as gifts. Turns out smallpox is too fragile a virus to survive that trip in anything but a still living victim of it.

Wait and see how many responses this one gets.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
27. well if we don't
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jul 2014

then why do so many believe that we do?

I mean, wouldn't people who used more of their large brains, be less susceptible to BS?

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
32. Why would people believe the Earth is 6000 years old?
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:33 AM
Jul 2014

Why are so many ridiculous, childlike beliefs commonplace in the world?

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
31. People who "surpass the limit" and use 100% of their brain at once are scientific phenominom
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jul 2014

It is called a grand mal seizure.

Seriously, movies with this premise are AGGRESSIVELY stupid.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
34. Lightning DOES strike the same place twice.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:48 AM
Jul 2014

The Empire State Building has been struck hundreds of times. Barns sometimes have lightning attractors attached to them for the sole purpose of giving the lightning something to hit over and over again instead of the barn itself.

People still say lightning doesn't strike the same place twice. I hear people say it all the time and it irritates me.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
36. I saw a preview for that dumbass movie
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 03:45 AM
Jul 2014

and almost put my palm through my forehead I mean if they're going to go that route, do they have to explicitly cite that awful 10% idea?? Maddening.

LeftishBrit

(41,453 posts)
43. Absolutely!
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jul 2014

I believe the myth was invented by an encyclopaedia salesman, as part of his advertising campaign.

Brain imaging studies show that all of our brains are active at all times - sleeping as well as waking. The level of activation may vary for different parts of the brain with different activities; but there is no totally inactive area.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
45. This...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jul 2014

...is a scientific Americans 'proof' that they are using massive brain power???:


"Take the simple act of pouring coffee in the morning: In walking toward the coffeepot, reaching for it, pouring the brew into the mug, even leaving extra room for cream, the occipital and parietal lobes, motor sensory and sensory motor cortices, basal ganglia, cerebellum and frontal lobes all activate. A lightning storm of neuronal activity occurs almost across the entire brain in the time span of a few seconds."

As for all the really complicated aspects of American life like social justice, public health and equality, we're all waiting for the whole brain application.


.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
46. Are you disputing that we use our entire brain
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

or making a comment about many Americans not really thinking about policies?

ck4829

(37,761 posts)
47. The limbic system alone (breathing, heart regulation, etc.) has to be way more than 10%
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jul 2014

So maybe if I just think real hard, I can also have telepathy and can kill a yak from 200 yards away... with mind bullets.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
48. Yes, that's the ticket
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jul 2014

if we could use more of our brain we could manifest abilities which no one has ever had and which run contrary to the laws of physics.

It all make sense.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. What percentage of their respective brains various characters used
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jul 2014

was a recurring them in Defending Your Life. And, yes, I think the meme that most people use only a small percentage of their respective brains was in the movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defending_Your_Life

CrispyQ

(40,970 posts)
53. One of my favorite brain books, "The Amazing Brain."
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jul 2014
http://www.amazon.com/The-Amazing-Brain-Robert-Ornstein/dp/0395585724

It's stunning. A kid's book, sort of, but enchanting at any age. The part that covered the visual center - very unique! I won't spoil it, but if you have kids, this book is a must! And if you don't, this book is a must!

on edit: I do love those 'finally using all of our brain' stories, though. That drug in Limitless, I'd take it in a flash.

bluedigger

(17,437 posts)
54. It's like crop rotation.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 04:55 PM
Jul 2014

Just because 90% of my brain lies fallow does not mean I'm not "using" it.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
60. No
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jul 2014

none of it is lying fallow. You use it for a myriad of functions beyond conscious thinking.
It's like talking about emotion coming from the heart. Just antiquated hooha.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
66. Sorry
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jul 2014

It's early and I need more coffee.
I get that reaction from some of my jokes, so i should know better.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
72. We use 100% of our brains?
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jul 2014

that's so depressing! That means 100% is pretty damn mediocre at best. There's no room for improvement?! It's hopeless.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
73. LOL
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jul 2014
We can find better ways to use it and we can improve it. I think there is some evidence about growing grey matter. And of course nutrition and no substance abuse are big factors.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
74. I was aiming at some twisted dark humor
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jul 2014

Kind of like my signature. I'm not sure which smilie I could have used to get that across.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
75. I knew you weren't serious
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jul 2014

just making additional comment.
Updated my post to reflect this.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
77. the scientific myths that drive me crazy
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jul 2014

That lie detector tests can detect lies.

That there is a truth serum drug.

Confusing theory with hypothesis. (not exactly a myth, more like lack of understanding)

rock

(13,218 posts)
78. But we do use only 5% of our big toe
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jul 2014

What in the hell do such expressions mean? Not much.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
82. NFL kickers used to use most of their big toe.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 04:56 PM
Jul 2014

now they don't use it at all....weird.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
83. Of course we use all of our brain, but do we use our heart?
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jul 2014

Without the heart, the brain is a dangerous weapon.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
84. The heart is a muscle to pump blood
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 06:37 PM
Jul 2014

emotions come from the brain and endocrine system.

I think too many people are guided by emotion over logical thinking.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
85. Biologically speaking you're correct.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jul 2014

But there are many times in my life when logically, my brain said yes but there was something else which defied reason that said no, and vice versa. I'm glad I allowed that something else to guide me every time. As a scientist I apply what I know to this, I just know it to be true.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
86. I would say
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jul 2014

that you subconsciously analyzed it and were held back while the thoughts were still formulating.

Of course there are many times when we do things for purely emotional reasons. But we should always temper it with thought. Hell, the whole GOP seems to be acting on nothing but Obama hatred and greed.

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