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[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. That could be good or bad.

If she means reach out more to average Republican voters, who, according to the polls, want higher minimum wages, more control over their own lives, not to be spied upon, not to have government shoving itself into their uteri, less war, and so, on, great, fine, wonderful.

If she means reach out more to Republican Congressman who are generally total asses who ignore every single poll that shows the American public is far more liberal than those Congressmen, then that sucks.

[pipoman]

4. I've not seen that Hillary supports much of the first paragraph

[Scuba]

2. Well, since Obama started negotiations from the middle, I guess that means Hillary ...

... will just adopt their policies whole-cloth. Why am I not surprised?

[Octafish]

3. Really, considering all the times they've reached out to us.

It'd be the neighborly thing to do.

[L0oniX]

48. LMFAO +1

[liberal N proud]

5. When Obama took office he bent over backward to woo the fucking republicans

I think he has done more than anyone should expect considering their scorched earth mentality denying anything Obama proposes or supports.

[Segami]

6. +1

...But Hillary thinks that wasn't enough.

[Stellar]

21. pfffttt!

Where the hell has she been?

[truebrit71]

24. Trying to figure out ways to pay the mortagageS on her houseS...y'know...being so poor and all that.

[RKP5637]

32. Christ, Obama bent so far backward for republicans, I thought he had switched parties. And

Hilary thinks that was not enough? Like WTF, WTF is she trying to say.

[reddread]

85. but just a little harder and we'll make some real progress!

Now, SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!

[morningfog]

7. In a world that made sense, this would foreclose her candidacy.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

78. In a world that made sense

the Left wouldn't be the new Right.

[pipoman]

8. Woo...

Hillary Clinton has begun distancing herself from President Barack Obama, suggesting that she would do more woo...

There. .fixed it...

[Takket]

9. We should not be negotiating with terrorists

[ladjf]

10. Personally, I believe that Obama "reached out" to Republicans more than he should have. nt

[Segami]

11. "...In talking up her husband's ability to work with Republicans,..

...Hillary Clinton made an observation last week that some have interpreted as a veiled criticism of President Obama.

The former secretary of state said at an event in Colorado that even though he faced a toxic political environment, former President Bill Clinton continually extended a hand to Republicans on Capitol Hill.

"My husband had some really serious problems with the Congress when he was in office," Hillary Clinton said, as quoted by the Wall Street Journal. "They shut down the government twice. They impeached him once. So it was not the most pleasant of atmospheres. But I will say this: Bill never stopped reaching out to them."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-distancing-obama-bill-never-stopped-reaching-out

Its easy when you have republican blood running through your veins....

[Duppers]

74. who is she trying to woo making statements like this ?

Rethugian women?

[Robbins]

12. Hillary

She keeps proving my waryness on her is justified.

Obama's problem was not reaching out enough to republicans? What world Is she and her defenders living on?

Obama bent over backwords to get republican support.Many of those who supported him disagreed with that.

Working with tea party Isn't going to acheive democratic party goals.

Obama has had to deal with racists who say no to him on anything even things they used to support.

Republicans will go anti-women with her. While she Is white she Is women threating them.

[NCTraveler]

29. Read the article. Doesn't seem to say what you are promoting from it.

Please don't let your "waryness" come from a lack of reading comprehension or just simply being fooled by an opinion piece. No major Obama supporter with limited intelligence would be against Hillary. They are two peas in a pod. Hillary with a little more fight.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Huh?

You say Hillary has a little more fight in a discussion about an article where she says she would be more conciliatory?

That makes very little sense.

[NCTraveler]

49. Makes perfect sense to anyone who has followed Hillary for a while.

The article, other than opinion, doesn't really rise to the claim being made. I really wish people would read it.

[ProfessorGAC]

73. I Read The Article Too

The fact that is an opinion doesn't seem relevant. Every opinion needs to be fully supported by facts in every case? Sorry, i can't buy that.

My opinion of Silverspoon Bush is based upon facts, but his supporters would see those same facts as the reason to support him.

How do you square that using the logic you're applying?

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Trimming entitlements and a consensus on income inequality.

Hillary last October on trimming entitlements

Leading liberal groups are watching closely to see if Clinton will join their charge of expanding entitlements. Last year, she even appeared to flirt with supporting the idea of trimming entitlements to attain a grand budget bargain. Speaking at Colgate University last October, she said:

"What has worked is a compromise where yes, we raise revenues for a certain period, we go and look at entitlements to see what is fair and can be done without really disadvantaging either existing beneficiaries or people who are going to rely on those programs."


June 30th 2014 on growing income inequality in the US

The former Secretary of State acknowledged the gap, but failed to offer up a substantive solution.

She called for a "concerted effort" built around "consensus," she warned that "it will only get worse" if left unaddressed, and she attempted to feel the pain of the malaise by channeling a whim of emotion of those hurting.

"They feel like they're falling behind. At best, maybe they're running in place," she said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2014/06/30/hillary-clinton-has-an-answer-for-hobby-lobby-not-income-inequality

[L0oniX]

43. Cutting back on "future entitlements" means no more wars. Think that will happen?

Maybe the idiots in charge should think about the entitlements for those that have served and how that comes to be. Stop the fucking wars and that will at least stop the creation of more people receiving entitlements. Oh ...and this "consensus" IMO is just another term for "ganging up on the weak".

[Mnemosyne]

14. Right... nt

[Fred Sanders]

15. Parsing her every freaking word and sentence for "meaning"........it is a sickness,,,,,

[Armstead]

20. Well, if she would speak like a human instead of a Cautiobn Machine that wouldn;t be necessary

She has a habit of saying things in ways that are (deliberatly) open to varying interpretations instead o just speaking plainly. It's the Third Way way.

[Fred Sanders]

23. Every human has the same habit, words and sentences always can be variously interpreted. Always.

[Armstead]

31. True, but some more than others

It's not only her. She represents a certain type of Democratic messaging --a political way of speaking to add layers of complexity and ambiguity to avoid getting pinned down.

That's one reason I like Bernie Sanders so much. Agree or disagree with him, but you generally know that what is is saying is what he is really thinking, and you don't have to analyze...And if you have any questions or want any clarifications, he's happy to answer.

[frylock]

89. not every person has studied at Bill Clinton's dojo of triangulation, however.

[L0oniX]

44. You mean like Bill Clinton did with the word "is"?

[whatchamacallit]

16. Yes, embrace a system based on diametric opposition

under the bullshit notion that it's somehow best for a plurality, and ride it to nowhere. GOTV!

[L0oniX]

34. Yes ...let's just have one party. The Center Party.

[whatchamacallit]

55. No, just the left party :)

[marmar]

17. Had enough centrists yet?

[Stellar]

18. I'm still tryig to forgive Bill Clinton for racist remarks in 2008.

The strategy could help Mrs. Clinton tackle one of her biggest challenges if she decides to run: how to separate herself from Mr. Obama without alienating Democrats and Obama supporters.

To late, I'm done. She wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of others in the GOtP, now would she. Besides, she already one step up on him in the election...she's white, that should buy her some time.

[conservaphobe]

19. No one wins the presidency by running as a clone of the current President.

Politics 101.

[whatchamacallit]

22. Why not go more progressive instead of doubling down with the right?

[truebrit71]

26. Did you miss the part in the thread that said this was about Hilary Clinton?

[NCTraveler]

27. Nothing about this piece has anything to do with "doubling down with the right".

Did you read it?

[NCTraveler]

25. Political common sense.

"Mrs. Clinton said Mr. Obama has "worked so hard and reached out so often, and it gets discouraging because you don't feel like you're getting much back." She added: "I don't think you can ever stop. And I think that's part of whoever the next president is just has to be ready to do.""

[Armstead]

38. In other words, be mushy against an unyielding opponent instead of actually chllenging them

The current GOP is never, ever going to give an inch. The only way to deal with that is to directly challenge them, work around them, and offer the public a clear liberal alternative that calls them out on their bullshit.

[NCTraveler]

84. "In other words, be mushy against an unyielding opponent instead of actually chllenging them"

Not even close.

[Armstead]

86. Who is winning?

Look at the direction the country has taken in terms of actual policies and power over the last 30 years.

The unyielding and uncompromising GOP Conservatives are far ahead o the game, while compromising Democrats are trying to play catch up constantly.

[NCTraveler]

88. This is based off of ideology. When one person wins, another loses, most don't care.

You made a claim, about a quote, that wasn't based on the quote itself. Now you have gone in a different direction.

Since this is all for amusement, here it goes.

Who is winning? Depends. Fights are won on both(the fact that the word both can be used in this country says a lot on its own) sides every single day. Some womens rights are going backwards. Some progressing. Many civil rights are marching forward. Some are regressing. The only area where true advancement can't be seen is with the economic system. That won't happen in my lifetime. Tweaks and minor changes are made, all while keeping the fundamental structure in place.

"Look at the direction the country has taken in terms of actual policies and power over the last 30 years. "

Not possible with black and white thinking. This is a big picture game and always will be.

[conservaphobe]

40. I don't know how that translates to:

"Hillary Suggests Obama's Problem Is... NOT REACHING OUT To Republicans?"

Thread title is bullshit.

[Demit]

54. It doesn't. Plus it's the WSJ, which is being overlooked in this thread.

Their opinion page is rabidly Republican. WSJ loves to distort & mislead. And be shit-stirrers for divided Dems.

[Scootaloo]

83. "Political common sense" also says that supply-side economics works like a charm

I don't elect Democrats with the hope that they'll sell out to Republicans. I elect Democrats with the hope that they will overpower the Republicans and bludgeon good, solid left / liberal policy through despite the Republican's mewling protests.

[L0oniX]

30. Yes ...Dinos should join with Rinos and create their own party. The Center Party.

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. Or We can call it 'The Goldman Sachs Party'

and find a consensus between the
one percent

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/hillary-clintons-goldman-sachs-problem



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/07/03/the_clintons_goldman_sachs_gold_mine__123191.html

[L0oniX]

45. The Center Party makes it more anon. Anyone can payola to it.

[nolabels]

58. Since congress is grid locked do you suppose..........

There might be some halfhearted attempt to keep the stratification going with social, justice and equal rights issues. Like except for the more brain dead in population, pretty much everybody agrees that the Billionaires are taking us for a ride. The hobby-lobby ruling, the racial divides with immigration and maybe a few others are being used for a backdrop.

The people who have a lots of money have many weak points when economics are the issue. To deal with it this ole slight of hand to trick to change the subject. The billionaires have all the resources they could ever dream of and the largest megaphone, why wouldn't they at least try to muffle the subject about economic fairness with it all? Most anyone can tell the stooges they have set up on the republican side have a poorer chance taking the POTUS position. Investing in Hilary as much as possible with out being too obvious would seem like a good plan to me on many fronts. Muddy the waters always make good sense if you are trying to confuse people to what the real issues are wouldn't it seem?

[6000eliot]

33. She's taking away a right-wing talking point.

Very skillfully, I might add.

[bowens43]

35. and there are people here who want to vote for this dumb ass?

[antigop]

36. oh,dear lord...People are "really, really nervous" about their future,

Hillary Clinton reaffirms support for more H-1B visas

Well, gee, maybe if our jobs weren't replaced by H-1B visaholders we wouldn't be so "nervous" about our future.

[Generic Other]

59. So she reaffirms support for more foreign workers at the expense of unemployed Americans?

These politicians are so out of touch with the actual electorate.

[antigop]

63. How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/silicon-valley-h1b-visas-hurt-tech-workers

She supported more H-1B visas in April of this year:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2014/04/08/hillary-clinton-comes-to-san-francisco-talks-tech-immigration-and-whether-shell-run-for-office/

Asked by Marketo’s Fernandez about how she would deal with the shortage of H-1B visas, which tech companies rely in to bring in non-U.S. workers such as computer engineers, she suggested thinking longer term and working with colleges –using cash from Silicon Valley – to train people in the U.S. to fill those jobs,while in the shorter term pressing for more H-1B visas.

Hey, Hillary, THE STEM CRISIS IS A MYTH.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

[hrmjustin]

37. Hillary be cautious. If you give a Republican an inch they will take a yard.

[L0oniX]

47. They will "they will take a yard" and tell everyone to "get off my lawn".

[Faux pas]

39. The games people play...

I don't want her as my candidate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[corkhead]

42. There she is in the photo sitting next to 9ui11iani

this is starting to look like 2008 redux

[Larkspur]

50. Now we can see why her poll numbers are dropping

Hillary's biggest liability is that she is about a decade behind the nation as for as her stance on major policies.

Cutting entitlements was endorsed by Obama and he was defeated by the liberals in Congress. If Hillary keeps this up, Liz Warren may change her mind and challenge her.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. The stoopid, it burns

Obama's biggest flaw was his constant "reaching out" to people who would not piss on him if he were on fire.

HRC believes that he wasn't obsequious enough.

[Broward]

52. Perhaps, she can team up with the Repubs and vote for another war.

[Xyzse]

53. She's never been my primary choice ever any way.

Sadly, if she does run and win the primary, I don't see any other option but voting Hillary against the Republican.

[Xithras]

56. "more assertive stance toward global crises" = More War!

Fuck war and anyone who advocates for it.

[KoKo]

57. It's Bill speaking -- since he is the Shadow Presidential Candidate...

Remember the "Two for the Price of One?"

[awake]

60. Great now Hillary is tearing down Obama instead of helping Democrats get elected this year

Elizabeth Warren is hard at work on the ground helping our people get elected while Hillary and Bill are hanging out with their Repuck friends looking for more money for themselves. I think Hillary may believe that she will have a better chance if we lose this fall.

[hootinholler]

61. If by woo they mean

Beating them to a bloody pulp with a big stick, then I will reconsider Hillary.

Where is the woo patrol?

[Metric System]

62. The headline is misleading. Nowhere does she actually say this in the article.

[rurallib]

64. wall street journal - more murdoch bullshit

NY Post says Obama favors Warren - more Murdoch bullshit.

They must be really scared.

[Enrique]

65. the WSJ is imagining the part about the wooing

I think she's capable of saying something like that, and I expected that this story would have examples of it, but those examples were not to be found.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. Maybe she should run as a Republican and promise to "reach out" to Democrats.

[awake]

69. At her hart she is still the board member of Wall mart

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She could win as a Repuk if they would give her the nomination

[Frustratedlady]

67. Hillary has a short memory.

How did the Republicans treat Bill and Hillary when they were in office? It was four times as bad for Obama.

Maybe Elizabeth should run so I have someone to vote for. Bill and Hillary are closing some gates for me.

[Metric System]

71. The article doesn't even quote her. It's BS speculation from the WSJ.

[Historic NY]

68. Looks more like okay lets creates news...

.just like the NY Post and Kleins article.

[Oilwellian]

70. Why reach out to a Republican party that's in the toilet?

The Third Way is in a bit of a pickle. They can't continue to swirl the Democratic party in that toilet.

[Union Scribe]

72. The more she says, the more queasy I get.

I've tried to find something redeeming about her as a possible presidential candidate, but she is not helping at all.

[Harmony Blue]

75. Hillary Clinton

is a very good strategist and long term thinker. She is already out maneuvering the right wing media and she hasn't even thrown her hat in the ring.

Bravo!

[awake]

77. Can you give an example of her good strategy working in the past

[reddread]

87. you forgot the tag

but that does make it funnier!

[bigtree]

79. you're being played

. . . by a republican message team. This isn't some Clinton-generated release of this 'info', it's an orchestrated attempt to divide the party against Clinton. It's been stirring around for a week or so now waiting for some enterprising Democrat to make it part of their campaign against Hillary.

You can't actually believe the one who reported this really thinks there's going to be some collusion of republicans with Hillary, but it fits right into the narrative here - no matter that Clinton has one of the most liberal overall records among her Democratic peers.

What she's reported to have said, whenever she was supposed to say it, is nothing more than rhetorical nicety for the political ear. It had nothing to do with Clinton's actual strategy. It's just something engineered and designed to inflame. We used to call it flamebait here. Now it's just political fodder for folks with a grudge; no matter where it originates to the person taking advantage of it; mission accomplished for the original messenger.

[mmonk]

80. Or unless you vote for a true liberal in economics and representation,

your vote doesn't have the value you think it does if you think by voting Democrat no matter their view, you actually change anything in the direction of liberal in the modern sense of the word.

[DonViejo]

81. Make sure you read to the bottom of the WSJ article....

-snip-

Nicholas was careful to note that Clinton "hasn't repudiated Mr. Obama" and that her "comments aimed at highlighting her differences with Mr. Obama are often implied rather than stated bluntly."

Scroll to the bottom of the piece and you'll find Clinton sounding far less critical (and cryptic) on the current president's bipartisan record. Nicholas quoted Clinton at the Colorado event as saying that Obama has "worked so hard and reached out so often, and it gets discouraging because you don't feel like you're getting much back."

"I don't think you can ever stop. And I think that's part of whoever the next president is just has to be ready to do," she added. emphasis added - Don

Obama has been criticized for years by conservative and centrist pundits alike for not doing enough to build relationships with Republican lawmakers. The criticism has clearly annoyed Obama, who's bristled at the idea that playing golf with House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) would alleviate Washington's ills.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-distancing-obama-bill-never-stopped-reaching-out

[abakan]

82. Hillary is not my first choice, and crap like this...

Hillary Clinton should STFU

[Orsino]

90. Nonsense.

The idea that even one Republican will repudiate the money and roll over for a woman named Clinton is delusional.

[DJ13]

91. This attitude is why our country is headed down the toilet

You cant "do more to woo Republicans" and "be more effective in the pursuit of Democratic policy goals"
at the same time.

Thats just an admission she intends on being even MORE conservative than Obama, and we dont need that.

[retread]

92. I have a firm policy. I never pay any attention to anything the WSJ spews.