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marmar

(77,053 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:24 PM Jul 2014

The 25th Hour: Still Living With Jack Bauer in a Terrified New American World


from TomDispatch:


The 25th Hour
Still Living With Jack Bauer in a Terrified New American World

By Rebecca Gordon


Once upon a time, if a character on TV or in a movie tortured someone, it was a sure sign that he was a bad guy. Now, the torturers are the all-American heroes. From 24 to Zero Dark Thirty, it’s been the good guys who wielded the pliers and the waterboards. We’re not only living in a post-9/11 world, we’re stuck with Jack Bauer in the 25th hour.

In 2002, Cofer Black, the former Director of the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center, told a Senate committee, “All I want to say is that there was ‘before’ 9/11 and ‘after’ 9/11. After 9/11 the gloves come off.” He wanted them to understand that Americans now live in a changed world, where, from the point of view of the national security state, anything goes. It was, as he and various top officials in the Bush administration saw it, a dangerous place in which terrorists might be lurking in any airport security line and who knew where else.

Dark-skinned foreigners promoting disturbing religions were driven to destroy us because, as President George W. Bush said more than once, “they hate our freedoms.” It was "them or us." In such a frightening new world, we were assured, our survival depended in part on brave men and women willing to break precedent and torture some of our enemies for information that would save civilization itself. As part of a new American creed, we learned that torture was the price of security.

These were the ruling fantasies of the era, onscreen and off. But didn’t that sorry phase of our national life end when Bush and his vice president Dick Cheney departed? Wasn’t it over once Barack Obama entered the Oval Office and issued an executive order closing the CIA black sites that the Bush administration had set up across the planet, forbidding what had euphemistically come to be called “enhanced interrogation techniques?” As it happens, no. Though it’s seldom commented upon, the infrastructure for, the capacity for, and the personnel to staff a system of institutionalized state torture remain in place, ready to bloom like a desert plant in a rain shower the next time fear shakes the United States. ...................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175866/tomgram%3A_rebecca_gordon%2C_a_nation_of_cowards/



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The 25th Hour: Still Living With Jack Bauer in a Terrified New American World (Original Post) marmar Jul 2014 OP
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #1
Cold Truth, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #2
I have, luckily, never seen it, sir... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #4
Never Saw More Than Ads Myself.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #5
I have more respect for makers of porn DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #3
This also applies to our surveillance state imho. The NSA and CIA now operate on steroids riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #6
The untold sub-text is that the targets of the Torture program were never the "Terrorists" Vincardog Jul 2014 #7
On torture Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #8
I hate that damn show. KatyaR Jul 2014 #9
JACK BAUER! Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #10
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
4. I have, luckily, never seen it, sir...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jul 2014

but from the description I kind of knew what it would be. I cannot stand cop shows, either.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
6. This also applies to our surveillance state imho. The NSA and CIA now operate on steroids
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jul 2014

Without any real Congressional oversight or legal boundaries.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
7. The untold sub-text is that the targets of the Torture program were never the "Terrorists"
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jul 2014

The targets were the US population.
They have been conditioning us to be cowards and subservient lest WE be the targets.

 

Michigander_Life

(549 posts)
8. On torture
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

If torture:

1. Was a reliable method of extracting accurate information

2. Was regulated with civilian oversight

3. Was completely transparent in each and every government utilization

Then and only then would torture be justifiable. Since none of those conditions are present, it is morally, legally and ethically WRONG to torture.

KatyaR

(3,445 posts)
9. I hate that damn show.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:21 PM
Jul 2014

It absolutely amazes me that people scream about morality and brotherly love and then consume crap like 24 like it was chocolate sauce on a hot fudge sundae. To be honest, I watched 24 when it first came on, but it became so violent I finally quit in the second or third season.

Tetris_Iguana

(501 posts)
10. JACK BAUER!
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jul 2014

A totally ridiculous show that's a lot of good fun when taken for what it is.

He's such a badass this season; can't wait for the finale 😄👍

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