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Someone in the Ukrainian army must really want a much bigger war for his country, either that or he is an extremely careless gunner. Ukrainian shells have landed in a Russian town near the Ukrainian border. There has been property damage and at least one fatality. The Russian Federation has given notice it will respond:
1 killed, 2 injured: Russia vows response to Ukraine shelling Russian city
An artillery shell from Ukraine has hit a private house in the Rostov region of Russia, killing a citizen and leaving two more injured. The Russian Foreign Ministry promises heavy consequences. Reportedly up to six mortar shells exploded on Sunday in the small Russian town of Donetsk, which has the same name as the Ukrainian city and is situated right on the Ukrainian border.
Ukraines charge d'affaires in Russia has been summoned to the Foreign Ministry where he was handed a note of protest in the strongest terms. The Russian Foreign Ministry has called the shelling an obviously aggressive act on Ukraines part and warned it could have irreversible consequences with Kiev holding full responsibility for the provocation.
Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin promised a rigorous and concrete answer to the shelling of Russian territory that resulted in the senseless loss of life. Were currently evaluating the situation, and the facts weve learnt risk a dangerous escalation of the tensions on the [Russian-Ukrainian] border, which puts our citizens in high danger, Karasin told RIA news agency, stressing that harsh reaction would follow only after detailed analysis of the situation.
The National Security Council of Ukraine has already declared that Kievs troops involved in the operation in the east of the country have nothing to do with the shelling incident. Ukrainian troops are definitely not shelling the territory of the Russian Federation. We did not shoot, said Andrey Lysenko, official representative of the information center of the NSCU. The leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk Peoples Republic (DPR) denied allegations of staging a provocation against Russian citizens. Were accustomed to being blamed for all Ukrainian shellings, DPRs vice-PM Andrey Purgin told Russian Moscow speaks radio station.
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read more, and see videos of the damage, at: http://rt.com/news/172404-russian-donetsk-shelled-victims/
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)A more accurate headline would be "Russian town hit with possible artillery or mortar round from unknown forces, killing one"
If that is actually an artillery round, I do not see any shell debris, just a hole that could have been from a stick of dynamite.
But we know this is RT and the side that would actually gain from this would be the Pro-Russian separatists.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I'm flattered by the attention, but I would hope you might find much better use for your weekend.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Have to go do yard work before it gets stupid hot outside.
Have a great one
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Driving along the river one can see some beautiful views from the bluffs.
Be safe.
malaise
(296,118 posts)Funny how proof is not required from others
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Someone in the Ukrainian army must really want a much bigger war for his country, either that or he is an extremely careless gunner.
Working to bring in Russia to help them.
Igel
(37,535 posts)It's eye-opening.
The border post was under heavy shelling. During this time a large column of tanks, APCs, etc., entered from the Russian side. (As the rebels in Luhansk announced a few hours later, "reinforcements have arrived"--and they listed the number of tanks, APCs, self-propelled artillery, # of trucks of reinforcements.)
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This is follow-up from the same kind of story yesterday that didn't make the Western media. The Russians said that a group of Ukrainian soldiers entered Russia, set up artillery, and shelled the Ukrainian border patrol at the same time that the border patrol was being attacked by insurgents. Oddly, they said this with a straight face, bringing home how thoroughly Lavrov was trained in agitprop. During this time more armaments from the Russian side entered Ukraine.
In real time, the border guards reported that they were being attacked from both sides by insurgents. UNN is good about that. Timestamping, updating, and giving interim reports. "Attack has started." "Attack continues." "Attack still continues." "Attack is over." Russia waits for hours to try to work out their story.
It would help if the good guys didn't lay mine fields near checkpoints and place IEDs in roads. Then again, many of them were fighters in Chechnya and have a visceral hatred of Ukrainians. Ukrainian forces were on Russia's side early on. And while they've been bought off by Moscow, they still have it in for the Ukrainians (although the Chechen insurgency still continues--with hundreds of Chechnya separatist "terrorists" and "criminals" killed by Moscow just this year ... What's good for lesser folk is bad for the overlords).
Insurgent munitions only kill Ukrainians and they have perfect aim--they never kill civilians and evaporate should they intersect with the Russian border. Even the insurgents' farts are sweet. It makes it easy--the insurgents can shell and overshoot a border post, knowing that if they don't kill Ukrainians they score PR points by shelling Russia, with Russia immediately laying the blame at the feet of the Ukrainian "forces."
That's RT: Just the news that fits is printed.
In English, war is hell. The Russians, obsessed with refighting German fascism to make the world safe for Stalinism and Orthodoxy, have misconstrued that to be "war is helle" ("helle" is German for "bright, clear, clever"
. They used to have good linguists. Competent translators, when politics allowed. Very atheoretical, mind you, and they still are (since Chomsky's theories were "bourgeois" and engaging in them could get you exiled to the Baltics--they still haven't caught up, focusing on "fatherlandish linguistics" instead of that nasty decadent Western stuff).
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The reinforcements mentioned by the Independence fighters were those coming to the Ukrainian side, not their own. I have seen this mentioned in other reports.
NickB79
(20,357 posts)Shells (from either rebel or Ukrainian forces, not known at this point) fly BACK across the border into Russia and suddenly the shit hits the fan. Really, Russia?
Here's a thought: if you don't want a war spilling over your border, DON'T SHIP WEAPONS ACROSS THAT BORDER!
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Then why do they deny they were doing any shooting at all? That is the official word from the Ukrainian command.
NickB79
(20,357 posts)Not sure how you made that leap from what I posted.
Either A) A Ukrainian gunner made a VERY bad shot, or B) A rebel gunner made a very bad shot. That both sides would deny they were shooting at all makes perfect sense, seeing as no one in their right mind would want to admit to lobbing a shell into Russia.
Seeing as how Russia has been turning a blind eye as tanks, artillery and other heavy weapons stream from Russia to the rebels, it would be especially ironic if the wayward shell was fired by one of the weapons systems they provided to the pro-Russian rebels. I mean, it's not exactly rocket science to realize that civil wars don't stay contained in nice, neat country borders all that often.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)As a matter of fact, we're paying (directly or indirectly) for many of them.
