rapist killer weeps at his sentencing

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689569/Kid-killing-rapist-guilty-murdering-6-year-old-boy-trying-save-sister-fiends-brutal-attack.html


Rapist who murdered heroic six-year-old boy who was who was trying to save his sister from attacker faces life in prison after being found guilty
Osvaldo Rivera was found guilty of murdering 6-year-old Dominick Andujar
Rivera also is guilty of raping the boy's sister and slitting her throat
Andujar fought with Rivera, which gave his sister a chance to escape the attack
The boy's sister, Amber, survived and testified against Rivera
Rivera also has charges pending that he molested a 2-year-old boy
He faces life in prison without the possibility of parole

[SummerSnow]

1. keep crying you animal.

[catbyte]

15. Animals are more noble creatures than this horrific POS.

[Scootaloo]

2. Those officers look like they're going to vomit

I share their sentiment.

[Brigid]

3. That deputy on Rivera's right looks like he wants to give him a good pounding.

[Aerows]

20. I'm probably a horrible person

because I might look the other way and say "he fell". I'm not proud of that, just honest .

[NutmegYankee]

93. I know you're not a horrible person.

Honestly, most people get pretty unsympathetic and "willing to look the other way" towards people who rape and murder children. It's a primal level of disgust that is hard to completely suppress.

[Aerows]

94. I wish I could be a more moral person

but in this case? Nope. I'd look the other way and that's why I'm glad I'm not a police officer.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Rot in prison, fucko.

I just hope they don't have to let him out early to make more cell space for some dangerous hombre who grows pot for cancer patients.

[Hofbrau]

5. What is the point of keeping this guy alive?

There's no coming back from that...

[nomorenomore08]

9. I'm willing to acknowledge that some people truly deserve death.

But for several reasons, I'm still opposed to the death penalty, politically.

[Submariner]

11. If he's executed it's all over for him....he's dead forever

he looks like he has 40-50 years left in him to experience bad food, boredom, hopefully no TV and nothing to read and hazings and worse from inmates who don't like child killers,. Just 50 years of boring and sometimes a painful living hell knowing he will never experience a good life.. EVER!

Execution is the easy way out.

[snooper2]

50. We have enough people to feed on this planet, kill him and dump his body in the ocean

There the at least the creatures in the sea can make some use of him.

[Gravitycollapse]

35. So you're a pretty big fan of prison violence?

[IronGate]

36. I'm a big fan of letting nature take it's course,

and whether or not you like it or agree with it, child molesters/killers usually have a very horrible and short life in prison.

[Gravitycollapse]

41. Probably assaulted or murdered by the same kind of "heroes" that rape other inmates, I'm sure.

Prison justice is not a form of justice at all. It's just another violence machine, based on power hierarchies which make little sense within the perspective of a system based on reformation, and is used almost exclusively in the rhetorical sense by people like you (ie supporters of prison violence) to circularly justify its continuation.

Advocating the murder of child molesters doesn't really have to do with ridding society of a threat. It's simply a socially acceptable way of participating in the violence machine. Like the captive audience watching gladiators battle. You want someone dead, you want to enjoy their death, but you don't want your own hands bloodied.

[nomorenomore08]

42. +1000000

[IronGate]

44. Yep, you got me all figured out there Carnac.

I won't deny that I have no qualms about a child molester/killer getting their just rewards from other inmates, and I have no shame in my feelings and I'll bet the farm that if this animal had done that to one of your children, you'd be singing a far different tune than you are now, so spare me your faux indignation.
Good day sir/ma'am.

[Gravitycollapse]

71. That you have no shame goes without saying.

Your argument is shameless. It is petty vengeance and nothing more.

[IronGate]

72. Well, we all have our crosses to bear and your's seems to be

a faux indignation.

[Gravitycollapse]

75. So not participating in your lust for blood sport makes me falsely indignant how?

[IronGate]

79. I have a lust for blood sports?

You really are clueless there Carnac.
Quite frankly, I could care less what happens to this animal in prison. He brought it on himself and your faux indignation to my comments are quite comical.

[Gravitycollapse]

83. Anyone who wants somone beaten, raped and/or murdered cares very deeply.

That is the dishonesty in your argument. If you actually didn't care what happened to him in prison, you would feel no need to advocate his brutal assault and/or murder.

If prison violence is a blood sport, and it is, and you care very deeply about its implementation, you have a lust for blood sport. At least be honest about your position.

[IronGate]

84. Here's what I said:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025236070#post36

Nature taking it's course in prison could mean different things, as in he'll be in isolation for the rest of his miserable life, he'll be put in gen. pop, where he'll likely have a short and violent life.
Point is that I could care less what happens to this animal, he deserves whatever comes at him and I won't feel any shame for my lack of compassion.
So take your faux indignation at my comments and put it in your pocket where they belong.

[Trajan]

78. So ... a Gungeonite desires to mete out death in the cause of justice ...

No surprise here ....

[IronGate]

80. A Gungeonite?

And how am I to mete out death in the cause of Justice?
I'm not in prison, nor will I ever likely find myself in prison to "mete" out any death in the cause of justice.
A really pathetic attempt to smear me dude, really pathetic.

I've saved more lives in one week than you'll probably save in your life, I don't mete out death, I save lives.

[gvstn]

112. I was on a jury deciding if this post was inappropriate.

I searched google for a definition of gungeonite and they all came back to DU and your username. I canceled jury service because I didn't know if it was inappropriate or not. Could you please define this term? Is it a personal insult? I really want to know what it means.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. Pedantic Nonsense

And, i oppose the death penalty and would prefer for this loser to have to spend the entire rest of his life in a 6 by 8 with no other future.

But your post is preachy silliness.

[snooper2]

51. He, he/she was just trying to "get deep"

got to always give props for at least trying!

[Gravitycollapse]

74. Not wanting prison violence to continue is not preachy silliness.

It's actually a very serious position.

[jmowreader]

21. He committed his crime in New Jersey, which has no death penalty

If he would have done it in Texas, they'd have moved him right to the front of the line. But in Jersey, getting thrown in a hole so deep they have to pipe in sunlight is the worst thing they can do to you.

[Raine1967]

109. let him spend his life in prison.

he has a lifetime to think about the pain he caused.

I am not an Eye for an Eye person. Prison for the rest of his life will serve him well.

[Hofbrau]

111. It's a drop in the ocean...

Comparatively...

He'll be sad and maybe sigh a bit wistfully that he can't go out and about but he'll be in the company of like minded folks.

[WhiteTara]

6. I'll bet he's not crying about the horror and carnage

he caused, but his sentence. Glad it's without possibility of parole.

[freshwest]

23. Yes. It's all about what he wanted to do, always was. All broke up he won't get the chance again...

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

7. Crying because he was caught.

And not that I'm endorsing it....but he knows what's coming in prison.

[kath]

22. What is coming for him in prison?

please explain.

[customerserviceguy]

33. There's a popular mistaken notion

that child killers and child rapists get f'd up by the other more 'upstanding' inmates, the kind you'd see on an Elvis Presley "Jailhouse Rock" film. Of course, that's just an illusion, because nobody's ever heard about a child rapist/killer in prison actually dying of anything other than old age or the DP.

[REP]

45. Jeffery Dahmer.

[ieoeja]

52. Dahmer was not a child rapist. He attacked grown men.

He was murdered because of canibalism, not rape.

[Brickbat]

54. Except for the two 14-year-olds among his victims.

[freshwest]

91. Or just pissed off another inmate.

[Iggo]

48. Popular fantasy for punishment fetishists.

[ieoeja]

53. +1 n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

81. Father John Geoghan

Probably the most notorious of the priest sex abusers....was stomped to death by his cellmate.

That was off the top of my head. There have been plenty more, of course....not the "nobody" you allege. Or maybe prison violence isn't that big a deal and we can move on?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

88. Father Geoghan in Boston was killed in prison by one of his former child victims he molested.

Not sure about spelling of last name.

[freshwest]

90. That's my recollection. It's not like the whole population was after him.

[IronGate]

37. A short and violent life.

Convicts don't like child molesters/killers, many of those convicts have children on the outside and don't want to see someone like him having any chance of getting out.

[whopis01]

89. Decades of life contained within a small cell with no hope of ever being released. n/t

[ecstatic]

101. People are entitled to their emotions after reading something like this!

This guy has killed and /or raped multiple children FFS.

[LittleBlue]

8. Scum. nt

[nomorenomore08]

10. To say the least. n/t

[LadyHawkAZ]

12. Sometimes my opposition to the death penalty is very hard to stick to

This is one of those times.

[awoke_in_2003]

16. same here. nt

[Orsino]

63. I am perhaps lucky that mine has never been tested...

...by a case in which I had a personal interest.

But it really ought to be enough for us to lock away a violent offender.

[DeadLetterOffice]

82. Mine has.

It was damn hard to hold on to. Really, really, unbelievably hard. It required much soul-searching and many sleepless nights to come away from my anger and heartbreak and back to my core belief that to desire revenge is understandable, but to actually inflict it is unacceptable.

May you continue to be blessed by a lack of such testing.

[LiberalElite]

14. This wasnt' taken at his sentencing -

he has another court date on October 23.

[smirkymonkey]

17. There is a special place in hell for animals like this.

What he did to those two children is unforgivable.

[Aerows]

18. Wailing and gnashing of the teeth

is what I hope he gets for the rest of his sorry life for what he put his victims and their families through. No amount of tears will bring those children back, nor will they bring them back from the horror he inflicted on them. Cry.

[geek tragedy]

19. may he suffer in this manner for the next 60 years nt

[freshwest]

24. Unlikely.

[freshwest]

25. Well, I'm crying too:

For the little guy who loved his sister.

[Number23]

29. Me too. May God take that gorgeous child in his arms and I pray his family honors his memory forever

What a beautiful, beautiful child. I don't know why I clicked this thread. My entire day is destroyed now.

[freshwest]

31. Sorry, Number 23. All you can do is love someone today, that's all we've got. Take care.

[Jenoch]

39. You don't need to make this reply on a tbread such as this one.

Please show some respect.

[sheshe2]

32. I was unable to post after I first read this. Tears and sorrow.

And the angels wept, may he forever be held in their arms.

[Terra Alta]

26. I hope he has a long and horrible life in prison

he deserves to suffer just like these two innocent children suffered.

[seabeyond]

27. what the fuck is he crying about? doing the sick shit he does, he had to know this would be his end.

i really do not get the crying shit.

[get the red out]

56. He's sad he will get what he deserved

He's obviously a psychopath. Being removed from society permanently gives him a sad.

[seabeyond]

59. i was being sincere. i would think he would be emotionless, since that seems to be who he is killing

a 6 yr old to rape a child. seems like there would not be emotion. cry like a baby, no empathy there, but a disgust and wonder that he is even capable, even in his own self absorbed world.

seems odd.

i am stumped by the poster below that feels people are too harsh with this killer.

[get the red out]

61. A book I read one time

written by a psychiatrist who studied such cases and was asked to be an expert witness in a case where a man raped and murdered two teenaged girls. He said that at his sentencing (life in prison) he became very distraught and was crying and saying over and over "how can they do this to me?". He was very upset for himself. The psychiatrist actually uncovered the reasons he believed this man, and others, became a sociopath/psychopath, with no concern for anyone but himself. Fascinating reading. Below is the title:

The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog: And Other Stories from a Child Psychiatrist's Notebook--What Traumatized Children Can Teach Us About Loss, Love, and Healing Paperback – December 25, 2007
by Bruce Perry (Author), Maia Szalavitz (Author)

[seabeyond]

62. very interesting.

both son and i are interested reading this stuff. thank you for the title.

[abakan]

85. He's not crying

Because of what he did. He is crying because he got caught and now will be the one being raped.

[WinkyDink]

100. He is weeping for himself. Period. End of story. He's &*%*& scared.

[seabeyond]

105. i know he is not weeping for the kids. i really do not get weeping for self either.

that is my thing. i dunno. when i purposely do something i know is wrong, i expect what i get. it does not result in tears.

[WinkyDink]

114. See inside quote about convicted psychopaths:

"If you watch the murder trials on the news or on Court TV, you’ll notice that some psychopaths convicted of murder often put on shows of grief, sadness or remorse in front of the jury." (#6)

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/the-psychopaths-emotions-what-does-he-feel/

[alp227]

113. Reminds me of this Steve Wilkos episode "Step Brother Rapist?"

I remember watching this after school in junior year of HS...wow this guy accused of raping his nieces starts getting teary eyed and screaming "THAT TEST IS A LIE!" and "WHATEVER!" all the time:

And this clip: http://www.hulu.com/watch/17333

Bottom line is they get scared more of others knowing their pathology than of the plight of their victims!

[orleans]

30. oh boo fucking whoo. he's crying because he's caught, trapped, & can't get his way anymore

waaahhh

fuck him

[flvegan]

34. Can we get a comma between "rapist" and "killer" please?

Enjoy prison and with no parole, as a sexual offender against children who murdered a child as well? Oh boy howdy, but enjoy your punishment. Every single day. Look over that shoulder, as you're now less than worthless.

[IronGate]

38. Yep.

In prison, he's at the bottom of the food chain.

[Doctor_J]

46. I think a slash would do it

When I saw the subject line I thought the crier was the killer of a rapist. Should read rapist/killer cries...

[Loudly]

40. Too much delight in this thread for the potential future suffering of the convicted rapist killer.

Any support for handing him a length of rope and pointing him to a sturdy overhanging pipe or beam?

No?

Preference for decades of his suffering instead.

That's just inhumane.

[seabeyond]

49. wow. i am not often left stumped how to reply to a post. this is one of the few.

[geek tragedy]

57. so you're arguing the death penalty is the only humane punishment? nt

[Orsino]

64. Punishment fetishism is how we get here...

...to a society that offers no humane incarceration except to the wealthy.

I think we go overboard in wanting punishment rather than focusing on rehabilitation.

[geek tragedy]

65. Rehabilitiation is not a viable goal for some people, this guy being one of them

And, he deserves to have the rest of his life be miserable, obviously, only to the extent legally permissible, no torture, beatings, starvation etc.

[Orsino]

66. Torture and beatings are part of incarceration for violent offenders...

...and the question of whether an offender can be rehabilitated is rarely even put to a doctor.

[geek tragedy]

68. Whether someone can be rehabilitated is not a medical issue. nt

[Orsino]

69. I guess we should be able to tell by looking?

Think I'm done.

[geek tragedy]

70. Yes, by looking at the gravesite of the child he slaughtered because

he interrupted this animal's rape of another child, whom he also tried to murder.

Judge him by his actions, and some actions are such that they place a person beyond redemption.

[NutmegYankee]

95. You know, you're right.

We should give him an ankle bracelet and send him to live with you. You can rehabilitate him to be a cook. I hear he's pretty skilled with knives...

[WinkyDink]

103. Psychopaths cannot be rehabilitated. It's inherent personality, not a hobby.

[DonViejo]

104. Bingo!...

Thanks!

[Orsino]

115. Yes, could be.

A doctor could make that call. I just don't belueve that death is an effective treatment.

[get the red out]

58. I guess what he did to his victims

should be overlooked? So we can dry his tears and tell him "all will be well sweetie-pie; there will be more kids for you to kill, we'll make sure since it would be cruel to do otherwise."

This the sort of person who shouldn't see the outside of a prison again. There's such a thing as protecting the innocent public, a duty of a civilized society.

[WinkyDink]

102. TFB.

[WinkyDink]

55. I hope he is fearful every second of his miserable future.

[Warpy]

77. He will be.

And every one of his tears should be remarked upon as "How many tears did those kids cry, you worthless piece of shit?"

He's the worst sort of rapist. He needs to be locked away from women and children until he is old and senile and has forgotten what sex is.

[Kurska]

60. Hooray, kill em for jesus. I hope he gets raped and murdered in prison.

Civilization and treating even the worst human trash with some kind of dignity to prove a point about ourselves? Nah who needs that when you can openly advocate for prison rape and extrajudicial killings by inmates from the safety of your own home.





Someone demonstrating a lack of humanity, shouldn't be a reason for you to then turn around and do the same. Does he deserve to rot in prison forever? Obviously.

Of course people will ignore that the system they cheer when brutes like this suffer in prison is also the system that hands out bonus sentences to be raped and murdered to your sons when they are sent to jail for stealing to fill their hungry bellies or for smoking a natural herb.

What we ought to do is isolate him from the rest of the prison population. Then we ought to clean up and reform our prisons so a sentence for stealing a parked car doesn't include getting raped.

Ahh, but that would require our for profit prison system to actually spend a little bit of money. You know a system won't change when it has societal bloodlust and corporate profits propping it up.

[Liberal_in_LA]

98. I don't want him to get raped or killed in prison.

[kath]

99. "we ought to clean up and reform our prisons so a sentence...doesn't include getting raped"

Thank you so much for your post.
The number of people here (on a supposedly liberal site) who think that prison rape, violence and murder are just fine and dandy is utterly disgusting.

[MohRokTah]

67. Baby rapers and baby murderers don't do well in prison.

I hope he lives eighty years in that prison with every other inmate knowing precisely why he is there.

[dilby]

97. They do just fine, they get a special place full of other sex offenders.

The idea that these guys get their punishment in prison is pretty laughable, most of them end up in special sections of low security prisons surrounded by other sex offenders and pedophiles. The toughest time for them is in Jail before being sentenced but after that it's pretty much country club living.

[Shrike47]

106. I've visited our state 'country club' many times. It ain't.

[IronGate]

110. Not always true.

My brother is a prison guard at a state max prison and there are several child molesters/killers there, he told me that even in protective isolation, they can and are gotten at.

[valerief]

76. I'll bet that life in prison will be pretty short. nt

[IronGate]

86. More than likely.

Those type of inmates are at the bottom of the food chain in prison, and unless put in segregation, they don't last too long.
Inmates have a saying for those kind of people, "Short Eyes".
There's a 1977 movie called Short Eyes that deals with just this such thing.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076706/

[valerief]

87. Thanks. I love Bruce Davison. I wasn't familiar with that term. nt

[WI_DEM]

92. Cry me a river, child killer & rapist!!

[raptor_rider]

96. Poor fuckin baby!!!

Let him rot for what he has done!!!!!

[Shrike47]

107. Please note: per the article, this WASN'T his sentencing. It was at arraignment in 2012.

Sentencing is set for later.

[Douglas Carpenter]

108. Imagine only a couple of decades ago this 33 year-old guy was a little kid himself.

Is this what he dreamed of being when he grew up? I can't imagine that. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to do such a crime. At least with robbery or even murdering someone in revenge - I can grasp the motive. I do think it is sad that for whatever reason some people do go down such a path. I think it is sad that some people for reasons that no on seems to understand would even be tempted to commit such a heinous crime. This man was once a little child himself. I wonder what made him that way? Stories like this remind me that we do live in a very sad, sad world