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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 07:43 AM Jul 2014

Greenwald: Leaked Docs Reveal Agency's (GCHQ) Digital Propaganda Toolkit

Latest files provided by Edward Snowden show GCHQ's ability to 'manipulate' the Internet using 'hacker’s buffet for wreaking online havoc'

by Jon Queally, staff writer
Common Dreams, July 15, 2014

The latest documents released from a trove leaked to journalist Glenn Greenwald by Edward Snowden reveal that GCHQ has created a virtual toolbox of online hacker tactics that allow British intelligence agents to "manipulate" online communities by seeding the Internet "with false information" and conducting the kind of malicious attacks on networks that send civilian hackers to prison.

According to the most recent reporting from Greenwald at The Intercept:

The tools were created by GCHQ’s Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG), and constitute some of the most startling methods of propaganda and internet deception contained within the Snowden archive. Previously disclosed documents have detailed JTRIG’s use of “fake victim blog posts,” “false flag operations,” “honey traps” and psychological manipulation to target online activists, monitor visitors to WikiLeaks, and spy on YouTube and Facebook users.

But as the U.K. Parliament [this week] debates a fast-tracked bill to provide the government with greater surveillance powers, one which Prime Minister David Cameron has justified as an “emergency” to “help keep us safe,” a newly released top-secret GCHQ document called “JTRIG Tools and Techniques” provides a comprehensive, birds-eye view of just how underhanded and invasive this unit’s operations are. The document—available in full here—is designed to notify other GCHQ units of JTRIG’s “weaponised capability” when it comes to the dark internet arts, and serves as a sort of hacker’s buffet for wreaking online havoc.


As the Guardian observes, the internal document "details a range of programs designed to collect and store public postings from Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Google+, and to make automated postings on several of the social networks." In addition, the file shows the agency possesses the ability to "boost views of YouTube videos, or to boost the circulation of particular messages" it wants to promote.

Greenwald provided a sample list of the JTRIG programs detailed in the database—which he described as a "a massive Wikipedia-style archive" —and included their "boastful code names" which appear in parentheses:

• “Change outcome of online polls” (UNDERPASS)

• “Mass delivery of email messaging to support an Information Operations campaign” (BADGER) and “mass delivery of SMS messages to support an Information Operations campaign” (WARPARTH)

• “Disruption of video-based websites hosting extremist content through concerted target discovery and content removal.” (SILVERLORD)

• “Active skype capability. Provision of real time call records (SkypeOut and SkypetoSkype) and bidirectional instant messaging. Also contact lists.” (MINIATURE HERO)

• “Find private photographs of targets on Facebook” (SPRING BISHOP)

• “A tool that will permanently disable a target’s account on their computer” (ANGRY PIRATE)

• “Ability to artificially increase traffic to a website” (GATEWAY) and “ability to inflate page views on websites” (SLIPSTREAM)

• “Amplification of a given message, normally video, on popular multimedia websites (Youtube)” (GESTATOR)

• “Targeted Denial Of Service against Web Servers” (PREDATORS FACE) and “Distributed denial of service using P2P. Built by ICTR, deployed by JTRIG” (ROLLING THUNDER)

• “A suite of tools for monitoring target use of the UK auction site eBay (www.ebay.co.uk)” (ELATE)

• “Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity” (CHANGELING)

• “For connecting two target phone together in a call” (IMPERIAL BARGE)


According to Greenwald, this database was last updated in 2012, but had been accessed by GCHQ agents more than 20,000 times.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/07/15

Now that's in the UK, trusted Five Eyes partner. So, do you think NSA doesn't apply similar guidelines for, ah, helping discussions along?
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Greenwald: Leaked Docs Reveal Agency's (GCHQ) Digital Propaganda Toolkit (Original Post) Octafish Jul 2014 OP
More evidence that the cold war was merely posing, not reality. Pholus Jul 2014 #1
Absolutely. What Gen. Doolittle reported... Octafish Jul 2014 #61
I think one of the general's pronouncements was not heeded... Pholus Jul 2014 #71
Extra large Freedom Fries with your New World Order reddread Jul 2014 #2
What Exactly Are the Spy Agencies Doing with their Bag of Dirty Tricks? Octafish Jul 2014 #63
another example of technology putting people out of work n/t reddread Jul 2014 #64
NSA is blackmailing and harassing opponents MinM Jul 2014 #80
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #3
I posted this earlier today but yours is getting Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #4
You're a real pal, Ichingcarpenter. Octafish Jul 2014 #11
You rock, Ichingcarpenter Aerows Jul 2014 #20
I post most of my news very early in the morning Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #22
You are tireless, though Aerows Jul 2014 #24
Crickets From The Surveillance State Apologists cantbeserious Jul 2014 #5
keeping their powder dry for the next big abomination reddread Jul 2014 #6
Look below. QC Jul 2014 #14
obama wanted to have a conversation or something.. frylock Jul 2014 #16
Obama should close down the GCHQ RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! WonderGrunion Jul 2014 #57
Right. It's not like the Brits work for CIA or something. Octafish Jul 2014 #66
That response made me smile... Pholus Jul 2014 #73
Thanks Octafish, I thought everyone knew that by now. But I guess not, so sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #81
K&R marmar Jul 2014 #7
Alfred McCoy: It's About Blackmail, Not National Security Octafish Jul 2014 #76
Given the expanding abilities and effectiveness of technology Babel_17 Jul 2014 #8
Back in 1975, Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) warned us, so NSA spied on him... Octafish Jul 2014 #77
It was in the dawn of that era that the movie, The Anderson Tapes, was released Babel_17 Jul 2014 #79
I guess the bushies did get one thing right. JEB Jul 2014 #9
Is that polls disagree so often? rickyhall Jul 2014 #10
Another exasperated, cranky kick. This shit is really getting on my nerves. Rec! nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #12
Isn't Greenwald's 15 minutes up yet? mimi85 Jul 2014 #13
nope frylock Jul 2014 #15
We could conduct a poll! Babel_17 Jul 2014 #18
Good idea! mimi85 Jul 2014 #74
Nice Try hueymahl Jul 2014 #17
relax, would you? reddread Jul 2014 #19
Meh Aerows Jul 2014 #23
I rest my case reddread Jul 2014 #27
Nope, never visited the site. mimi85 Jul 2014 #72
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #31
Is yours? Aerows Jul 2014 #21
He's famous because what he's doing is relevant as is Snowden and Assange. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #25
You forgot the sarcasm tag. Maedhros Jul 2014 #26
Putrescent drivel! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #32
I am at the point now that these STUPID talking points RE: Snowden/Greenwald Maedhros Jul 2014 #37
Aaaand here we go. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #45
Are you one of those programs just leaked? Rockyj Jul 2014 #47
It does read that way. Ghost Dog Jul 2014 #55
My response to your transparently agenda-laden post... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #58
Do you think he should keep this information from the people? The NYT sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #82
K&R SamKnause Jul 2014 #28
YES THANK THEM! Rockyj Jul 2014 #48
+10000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #56
Interesting to consider how these things were done before the Personal Computer revolution. Trillo Jul 2014 #29
(I imagine) ECHELON used mainframes out of IBM. Octafish Jul 2014 #41
Disgusting. Unconscionable. And targeted at citizens. woo me with science Jul 2014 #30
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #33
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #35
Wow, more evidence of what has long been suspected. Once again, thanks Greenwald, Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #36
Claiming GCHQ did these things yesterday would have you branded a conspiracy theorist. pa28 Jul 2014 #38
It DID. I remember well that people suspected some of the talking points sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #39
+10000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #40
What such a smear did to a post I really, really liked... Octafish Jul 2014 #42
hence the phrase "Orwellian": they'll howl until the sky cracks that we're CTs MisterP Jul 2014 #43
Kick Oilwellian Jul 2014 #44
Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #46
K&R Joe Shlabotnik Jul 2014 #49
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #50
“Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity” (CHANGELING) OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #51
That's a creepy one for sure. woo me with science Jul 2014 #62
Weiner put the spotlight on Clarence Thomas. OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #65
kick and rec +1000 bbgrunt Jul 2014 #52
They spy on Youtube? Oh, no, they'll find out I like Steve Spangler's science demonstrations. tclambert Jul 2014 #53
Plus, They search for "private" pictures on FaceBook !11! (nt) PosterChild Jul 2014 #68
Guaranteed they do Octafish. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #54
The Hillary is inevitable are you calling Elizabeth a liar is getting funny, too. djean111 Jul 2014 #59
Hey Octafish warrprayer Jul 2014 #60
You are most welcome, warrprayer! What Orwell said. Octafish Jul 2014 #75
This needs to stay on top for awhile. woo me with science Jul 2014 #67
What Exactly Are the Spy Agencies Doing with their Bag of Dirty Tricks? Octafish Jul 2014 #69
That's a good article. Thanks. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #70
K&R for the OP and all the subsequent links and info. JEB Jul 2014 #78
Despite its disappointments, snot Jul 2014 #83
Where is Octafish when the biggest political scandal ever is brewing? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #84

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
1. More evidence that the cold war was merely posing, not reality.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jul 2014

The moment we didn't have to highlight the difference between us and the Soviets we happily embraced their methods and worldview.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
61. Absolutely. What Gen. Doolittle reported...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jul 2014

"...It is now clear that we are facding an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination by whatever means and at whatever cost. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms ofhuman conduct do not apply. If the United States is to survive, long-standing American concepts of 'fair play' must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage and counterespionage services and must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated and more effective methods than those used against us. It may become necessary that the American people be made acquainted with, understand and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy..."

Report on the Covert Activities of the Central Intelligence Agency (1954). Committee members: J.H. Doolittle (chairman), William B. Franke, Morris Hadley, and William D. Pawley

PDF: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/45/doolittle_report.pdf

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
71. I think one of the general's pronouncements was not heeded...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jul 2014

"It may become necessary that the American people be made acquainted with, understand and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy..."
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
2. Extra large Freedom Fries with your New World Order
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:13 AM
Jul 2014

all as obvious as the nose on your face, but the sheep continue to sleep.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
63. What Exactly Are the Spy Agencies Doing with their Bag of Dirty Tricks?
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jul 2014
Specific Examples of what they May Be Doing

SNIP...

CHANGELING: Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity. Fake an email from a privacy advocate to make it look like he’s proposing terrorism.

SCRAPHEAP CHALLENGE: Perfect spoofing of emails from Blackberry targets. Fake an email from an opponent of bank bailouts to make it look like she’s proposing bombing a bank.

BURLESQUE: The capacity to send spoofed SMS messages. Fake a message from an an anti-war pacifist to make it look like he’s advocating sabotage of a military base.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-exactly-are-the-spy-agencies-doing-with-their-bag-of-dirty-tricks/5391555

Clothing for the virtual wolf.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
80. NSA is blackmailing and harassing opponents
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:25 PM
Jul 2014
Indeed, top NSA whistleblowers say that the NSA is blackmailing and harassing opponents with information that it has gathered – potentially even high-level politicians – just like FBI head J. Edgar Hoover blackmailed presidents and Congressmen...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-exactly-are-the-spy-agencies-doing-with-their-bag-of-dirty-tricks/5391555

@BlacklistedNews: High-Level NSA Official: the NSA Has Become “J. Edgar Hoover On Super Steroids” http://dlvr.it/6H880Y

Rod Blagojevich Hints That Feds Were After Barack Obama...

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=546895#p546895

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. I posted this earlier today but yours is getting
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:42 AM
Jul 2014

more traffic so I'll kick yours.

Now DU this poll!!!!!!

but now with super strength GCHQ’s Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group that has 24 million terajoule of power

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. You're a real pal, Ichingcarpenter.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jul 2014

I searched for a dupe, using "digital," thinking that would turn up any duplicates.

Yours is an excellent read, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025241595

We'll have to employ more resources to get the important things on top, like Snowden really hasn't revealed anything we didn't already know about cats.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
20. You rock, Ichingcarpenter
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jul 2014

Sorry I didn't see your thread, but your contributions are no less valued.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
22. I post most of my news very early in the morning
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jul 2014

before the trolls wake up.....LOL... so they usually get overlooked by late light cat threads.....LOL


What's important is that the news gets out
not who does it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
66. Right. It's not like the Brits work for CIA or something.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jul 2014

Wait a second.



NSA chief knew of Snowden file destruction by Guardian in UK

Revelation contrasts markedly with White House efforts to distance itself from UK government pressure to destroy disks

James Ball
theguardian.com, Friday 11 July 2014

General Keith Alexander, the then director of the NSA, was briefed that the Guardian was prepared to make a largely symbolic act of destroying documents from Edward Snowden last July, new documents reveal.

The revelation that Alexander and Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper, were advised on the Guardian's destruction of several hard disks and laptops contrasts markedly with public White House statements that distanced the US from the decision.

White House and NSA emails obtained by Associated Press under freedom of information legislation demonstrate how pleased Alexander and his colleagues were with the developments. At times the correspondence takes a celebratory tone, with one official describing the anticipated destruction as "good news".

On 20 July 2013, three Guardian editors destroyed all copies of the its Snowden material held in London (video), under the supervision of two GCHQ staff following a period of intense political pressure in the UK.

SNIP...

An email to Alexander from Rick Ledgett, now deputy director of the NSA, has the subject line "Guardian data being destroyed", and is dated 19 July, a day before the destruction of the files. Most is heavily redacted, but Ledgett remarks: "Good news, at least on this front."

A day later, hours after the material was destroyed, Alexander follows up with Ledgett, asking: "Can you confirm this actually occurred?"

Later that day, Clapper emails Alexander under the same subject line, saying: "Thanks Keith … appreciate the conversation today".

CONTINUED...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/nsa-chief-knew-snowden-file-destruction-guardian-uk



Do you think that's good news? For democracy?

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
73. That response made me smile...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jul 2014

I think the apologists are so sure of their cleverness they honestly believe that the rest of us can't read past a cover story.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
81. Thanks Octafish, I thought everyone knew that by now. But I guess not, so
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jul 2014

your link is appreciated. Knowledge is power, which is why THEY want so much of it and why want to keep so much of it from us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
76. Alfred McCoy: It's About Blackmail, Not National Security
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jul 2014
Surveillance and Scandal

Time-Tested Weapons for U.S. Global Power

By Alfred McCoy
Tomgram, Jan. 19, 2014

For more than six months, Edward Snowden’s revelations about the National Security Agency (NSA) have been pouring out from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Guardian, Germany’s Der Spiegel, and Brazil’s O Globo, among other places. Yet no one has pointed out the combination of factors that made the NSA’s expanding programs to monitor the world seem like such a slam-dunk development in Washington. The answer is remarkably simple. For an imperial power losing its economic grip on the planet and heading into more austere times, the NSA’s latest technological breakthroughs look like a bargain basement deal when it comes to projecting power and keeping subordinate allies in line -- like, in fact, the steal of the century. Even when disaster turned out to be attached to them, the NSA’s surveillance programs have come with such a discounted price tag that no Washington elite was going to reject them.

For well over a century, from the pacification of the Philippines in 1898 to trade negotiations with the European Union today, surveillance and its kissing cousins, scandal and scurrilous information, have been key weapons in Washington’s search for global dominion. Not surprisingly, in a post-9/11 bipartisan exercise of executive power, George W. Bush and Barack Obama have presided over building the NSA step by secret step into a digital panopticon designed to monitor the communications of every American and foreign leaders worldwide.

What exactly was the aim of such an unprecedented program of massive domestic and planetary spying, which clearly carried the risk of controversy at home and abroad? Here, an awareness of the more than century-long history of U.S. surveillance can guide us through the billions of bytes swept up by the NSA to the strategic significance of such a program for the planet’s last superpower. What the past reveals is a long-term relationship between American state surveillance and political scandal that helps illuminate the unacknowledged reason why the NSA monitors America’s closest allies.

[font color="green"]Not only does such surveillance help gain intelligence advantageous to U.S. diplomacy, trade relations, and war-making, but it also scoops up intimate information that can provide leverage -- akin to blackmail -- in sensitive global dealings and negotiations of every sort. The NSA’s global panopticon thus fulfills an ancient dream of empire. With a few computer key strokes, the agency has solved the problem that has bedeviled world powers since at least the time of Caesar Augustus: how to control unruly local leaders, who are the foundation for imperial rule, by ferreting out crucial, often scurrilous, information to make them more malleable.[/font color]

A Cost-Savings Bonanza With a Downside

Once upon a time, such surveillance was both expensive and labor intensive. Today, however, unlike the U.S. Army’s shoe-leather surveillance during World War I or the FBI’s break-ins and phone bugs in the Cold War years, the NSA can monitor the entire world and its leaders with only 100-plus probes into the Internet’s fiber optic cables.

This new technology is both omniscient and omnipresent beyond anything those lacking top-secret clearance could have imagined before the Edward Snowden revelations began. Not only is it unimaginably pervasive, but NSA surveillance is also a particularly cost-effective strategy compared to just about any other form of global power projection. And better yet, it fulfills the greatest imperial dream of all: to be omniscient not just for a few islands, as in the Philippines a century ago, or a couple of countries, as in the Cold War era, but on a truly global scale.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175795/tomgram%3A_alfred_mccoy,_it's_about_blackmail,_not_national_security/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
77. Back in 1975, Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) warned us, so NSA spied on him...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jul 2014

Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, of course, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.



And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT
 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
9. I guess the bushies did get one thing right.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jul 2014

We really do have to watch what we say. Takes a lot of money to fill a tool kit like that. And a large amount of immoral disdain for The Constitution and Human Rights.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
10. Is that polls disagree so often?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jul 2014

Of course, it could be why wingers miss so often. They may be believing their own BS.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
13. Isn't Greenwald's 15 minutes up yet?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jul 2014

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of someone so desperately trying to stay relevant. Wish he'd join either of his buddies, Snowden or Assange. What a narcissist! Although Assange may arguably be the biggest narcissist of them all.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
74. Good idea!
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jul 2014

Go and knock on doors in your neighborhood and see how many people know who the three musketeers are.

hueymahl

(2,380 posts)
17. Nice Try
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jul 2014

Your post would have been funny if you added the sarcasm tag, but since you appear to be serious, I'll simply say that each of your "points" has been discredited as logical fallacies offered to distract from the issue of unconstitutional actions by our government.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
23. Meh
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jul 2014

You have a bunch of old farts talking about the good old days that never were, some supposed Christian slim lady that uses a tonnage scale every day to clock it, and some dude that beats off to the bible to combat his meth addiction.

It probably gets pretty boring over there when they aren't plotting how they will "take over the world".

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
27. I rest my case
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jul 2014

you left out the fundraising appeals.
now, for the record, I only went there once in the last five years, and that was probably yesterday.
hoping they had a picture of me posted. not the case.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. Is yours?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jul 2014

I'm thinking times up for those that defend this horse shit.

You check your watch, I'll check mine.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
25. He's famous because what he's doing is relevant as is Snowden and Assange.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jul 2014

Just as the NSA is notorious for what it's doing.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
37. I am at the point now that these STUPID talking points RE: Snowden/Greenwald
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jul 2014

have transcended "annoying" and are now "offensive."

Posters that put up such garbage are not deserving of any respect.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
47. Are you one of those programs just leaked?
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Character assassination is a known tool used by propagandists. They did it with Assange & Snowden too.
Seeing so many liberals buying into these character assassination tactics is sad!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. Do you think he should keep this information from the people? The NYT
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:33 PM
Jul 2014

did it during the Bush era and we were outraged airc. The outrage from the Left, mostly, was because we believed that the people have a right to know what their government is up to. Has that changed, and if so, why?

SamKnause

(12,965 posts)
28. K&R
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jul 2014

Thank you Edward Snowden.

Thank you Glenn Greenwald.

Thank you WikiLeaks.

Thank you Julian Assange.

Thank you to all the brave and patriotic whistleblowers.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
56. +10000000
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jul 2014

And massive shame and disgrace for those who trade conscience and human decency to shill for totalitarians and fascists.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
29. Interesting to consider how these things were done before the Personal Computer revolution.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jul 2014

While techniques above are specific tools used online in modern times, the general principals would seem applicable to all times.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. (I imagine) ECHELON used mainframes out of IBM.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jul 2014
ECHELON Today: The Evolution of an NSA Black Program

Tom Burghardt
FRIDAY, JULY 12, 2013

EXCERPT...

Coupled with Snowden’s disclosures, those of former NSA officer Russell Tice (first reported here and here), revealed that the agency–far in excess of the dirt collected by FBI spymaster J. Edgar Hoover in his “secret and confidential” black files–has compiled dossiers on their alleged controllers, for political leverage and probably for blackmail purposes to boot.

While Tice’s allegations certainly raised eyebrows and posed fundamental questions about who is really in charge of American policy–elected officials or unaccountable securocrats with deep ties to private security corporations–despite being deep-sixed by US media, they confirm previous reporting about the agency.

When investigative journalist Duncan Campbell first blew the lid off NSA’s ECHELON program, his 1988 piece for New Statesman revealed that a whistleblower, Margaret Newsham, a software designer employed by Lockheed at the giant agency listening post at Menwith Hill in North Yorkshire, England, stepped forward and told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in closed session, that NSA was using its formidable intercept capabilities “to locate the telephone or other messages of target individuals.”

Campbell’s reporting was followed in 1996 by New Zealand investigative journalist Nicky Hager’s groundbreaking book, Secret Power, the first detailed account of NSA’s global surveillance system. A summary of Hager’s findings can be found in the 1997 piece that appeared in CovertAction Quarterly.

As Campbell was preparing that 1988 article, a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer alleged that arch-conservative US Senator Strom Thurman was one target of agency phone intercepts, raising fears in political circles that “NSA has restored domestic, electronic, surveillance programmes,” said to have been dialed-back in the wake of the Watergate scandal.

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http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.ca/2013/07/echelon-today-evolution-of-nsa-black.html

IBM had a lot of experience in the field.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
30. Disgusting. Unconscionable. And targeted at citizens.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jul 2014

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This is what our supposedly democratic, representative governments have become. We are spied upon, lied to, and subjected to elaborate and incessant campaigns of manipulation, disinformation and smear, using our own tax dollars.

Our nation is in crisis as a result of these criminals. The relationship between the American people and our government has been irrevocably changed.

It. Must. End.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Wow, more evidence of what has long been suspected. Once again, thanks Greenwald, Snowden
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jul 2014

and all the other patriots who are fighting so hard to expose all this despicable deception and attacks on the civil liberties of the people.

This SHOULD be completely illegal with dire consequences for those who are perpetrating these attacks on the people. Maybe some day. And it won't happen if people remain uninformed which underscores the importance of Whistle Blowers and exposes the desperation of those with so much to hide when they attack the messengers.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
38. Claiming GCHQ did these things yesterday would have you branded a conspiracy theorist.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jul 2014

Now it's conspiracy fact.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
39. It DID. I remember well that people suspected some of the talking points
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jul 2014

we were repeatedly subjected to were not just coming from those repeating them and voicing those suspicions. Instantly they were called 'CTs'. Then we found out that that was a tool to be used to try to silence those with the intelligence to wonder aloud about their suspicions, call them 'CTs'.

I guess it was all bound to be exposed sooner or later and thankfully it is.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
42. What such a smear did to a post I really, really liked...
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jul 2014

Someone thought it belonged more in the September 11 forum than in General Discussion.

SECRET Government Is a One-Way Mirror

Gee, what we've learned since then could fill a book. Thank you for knowing, pa28.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. hence the phrase "Orwellian": they'll howl until the sky cracks that we're CTs
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jul 2014

and hippies who'll kill us all
once the warmongering/tobacco-cancer link/reactor danger/Lyme disease is quietly admitted they then purr that "we were just waiting for the proof to come in"
they're like some bad boyfriend, who's always right ESPECIALLY when he reverses himself ...

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
51. “Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity” (CHANGELING)
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jul 2014

See: Weiner, Anthony.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
62. That's a creepy one for sure.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jul 2014

Added to the long list of things being treated as legal that sound like they couldn't possibly be...

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
65. Weiner put the spotlight on Clarence Thomas.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 03:01 PM
Jul 2014

Stepped out of bounds there, Anthony.

"Carlos Danger" was salt rubbed in the wound.

tclambert

(11,071 posts)
53. They spy on Youtube? Oh, no, they'll find out I like Steve Spangler's science demonstrations.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jul 2014

And that I'm obsessed with OK Go's Rube Goldberg machine.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
54. Guaranteed they do Octafish.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jul 2014

Additionally, if some industries plop their stooges into web forums to steer, ridicule and marginalize opponents I'm certain the NSA has their own puppets doing the ground work. I am noticing a Non-GMO is Woo trend forming here by some posters for example.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
59. The Hillary is inevitable are you calling Elizabeth a liar is getting funny, too.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:12 AM
Jul 2014

Does it never occur to them that not one mind is changed in a forum like this?

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
60. Hey Octafish
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jul 2014

I cross posted the news elsewhere.

I feel it is too important not to.

Thanks for this eye opener.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
75. You are most welcome, warrprayer! What Orwell said.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:29 PM
Jul 2014


Thank you for the image of Mr. Eric A. Blair and the money quote from his amazing work.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
69. What Exactly Are the Spy Agencies Doing with their Bag of Dirty Tricks?
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jul 2014
Specific Examples of what they May Be Doing

By Washington's Blog
Global Research, July 16, 2014
Washington's Blog 15 July 2014

SNIP...

SPACE ROCKET: A programme covering insertion of media into target networks. Insert a fake video calling for jihad on a the website of a moderate American Muslim lawyer.

CLEAN SWEEP: Masquerade Facebook Wall Posts for individuals or entire countries. Put up a bunch of fake wall posts praising the Islamic State on the Facebook page of a reporter giving first-hand reports of what’s really happening in a country that the U.S. has targeted for regime change.

HAVOK: Real-time website cloning technique allowing on-the-fly alterations. Hack the website of a state politician critical of those who ignore the Constitution and post fake calls for terrorism against Washington, D.C.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-exactly-are-the-spy-agencies-doing-with-their-bag-of-dirty-tricks/5391555

Thank you, woo me with science!



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snot

(10,466 posts)
83. Despite its disappointments,
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jul 2014

OP's & threads like these make me love this place.

. . . and we can't get bridge-and-highway maintenance funding passed, but we've just authorized more spending for surveillance: https://www.accessnow.org/page/m/3717cecb/13a464e1/7041ed4e/1de22de8/4170775915/VEsDBQ/ .

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