Does anyone share Hillary's nostalgia for the cold war, other than the neocons?

[betterdemsonly]

I think she sounded like a neocon, in her Daily Show interview.

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HILLARY CLINTON: Well, that's really why this book is something that I put my heart and soul into, because we can't practice diplomacy and define our foreign policy as leaders talking to leaders anymore because that's not the way the world works. Exactly as you said. People are empowered from the bottom up. And what I found when I became secretary of state is that so many people in the world, especially young people, they have no memory of the United States liberating Europe and Asia, beating the Nazis, fighting the Cold War and winning. That was just ancient history. They didn't know the sacrifices that we had made and the values that motivated us to do it.

We have not been telling our story very well. We do have a great story. We are not perfect by any means, but we have a great story about human freedom, human rights, human opportunity, and let's get back to telling it to ourselves first and foremost and believing it about ourselves and then taking that around the world. That's what we should be standing for..........

Because we did a much better job telling the world who we were back in the Cold War. You know, it was a simpler job, to be fair. We had the Soviet Union. We had the United States. We had a big information effort. We sent talent, we sent all kinds of poets and novelists and rock stars. I remember when Vaclav Havel, the great dissident and the first president of the Czech Republic told me that Lou Reed had been his inspiration. American culture, American ideas permeated the world.

Wll, fast forward. That ended, and we kind of thought, okay, fine, end of history, democracy won. You know that story. And in fact, we withdrew from the information arena. And look at what happened initially with Ukraine. Russian media was much more effective in sort of telling a story: it wasn't true, but they kept repeating it over and over again. So I think we have to get back to a consensus in our own country about who we are and what we stand for, and then get out there and tell that story.


http://thedailyshow.cc.com/extended-interviews/aw9j6p/hillary-clinton-extended-interview

Seriously. Why is she glossing over Viet Nam, and the overthrow of Allende, in favor of Pinochet and other Latin American travesties? Why no acknowledgement that our military spending during the cold war hurt America in other ways, like having to spend money on nukes in stead of our people? Why no acknowledgement, that the extreme free market shock doctrine we imposed on post Soviet Russia harmed the average person and made them poorer? It also encouraged the rise of the criminal oligarchs, who raided the country, with much help from Boris Yeltsin. Clintonistas still have some bizarre fondness for Yeltsin.

[DURHAM D]

1. drivel

[whathehell]

2. No, and I lived through virtually all of it, (born in '49) as well as its end.

At age of 5, I worried about "the communists coming" and taking over the US.

I even anxiously asked my mother if it would happen. She answered with

assurance "No, we're too strong for that".

I honestly never expected an end to the Cold War, at least in my lifetime.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. Yeah. Now the MIC and politicians have to rely on little Bogeymen rather than one Big Bogeyman.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H.L. Mencken

[ReverendDeuce]

4. Boy, I sure do...

It was so much easier then. We knew who the enemy was and having an adversary of plausibly equal lethality made for some real scientific and academic progress.

[betterdemsonly]

5. We had a pretty clear enemy after 9/11

How much progress did we get? I think most of the progress of the mid century was purely a result of the New Deal reforms, which ended with FDR's death. Fortunately they stood unchallenged till the 80s and it has been all downhill since.

[ReverendDeuce]

6. Bin Laden wasn't a geopolitical adversary...

He was a kook who hijacked some planes.

[betterdemsonly]

11. So Islamic Fundamamentalists are just lone nuts?

Not ideological adversaries of liberal democracy?

[ieoeja]

7. "plausibly equal lethality" n/t

[betterdemsonly]

9. I am skeptical any advantage we got from it related to lethality

Pakistan seems much crazier than the USSR, and they have nukes.

If there was any, it probably had to do with the fact that our capitalist thought they had to make capitalism work for the average person, so they wouldn't start voting for socialists, but I think that is what the "New Deal," was about.

[Whisp]

8. Did she talk about the great story of human rights and freedoms in Honduras?

Did she say anything about her part in responsibility for further destabilizing that country with aiding a coup, and now their children are being sent to the U.S. to escape the misery she helped cause.

I bet not. And I don't think Stuart would have the jam to bring that up, if he even knows.

[betterdemsonly]

10. I would rather hear truth than stories n/t