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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:41 PM Jul 2014

I'll say it: It's moments like this I'm glad Obama is our president.

He's level-headed, calm and is not about to overreact on something that could ultimately lead to World War III. I see McCain and the right frothing at the mouth and it reminds me of what it could be like in some alternate reality - the war crazed fanning these flames in hopes of advancing Cold War II - but this time making it HOT.

I trust Obama will handle this crisis like he's handed much of the international conflict that has dominated his presidency - and I'm sure he'll be called weak, leading from behind, not a leader ... all because he won't commit American men and women to the battle field.

Scary stuff all around.

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I'll say it: It's moments like this I'm glad Obama is our president. (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 OP
President Obama is easily the most level-headed president we've had in generations IronLionZion Jul 2014 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #68
I agree get the red out Jul 2014 #2
That's an easy one BobbyBoring Jul 2014 #25
Good idea. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #27
plae kardonb Jul 2014 #34
no draft for the U.S. imperialist military. nt. tomp Jul 2014 #74
Some Rethugs are bloodthirsty for war. All Rethugs are bloodthirsty for Obama. Martin Eden Jul 2014 #39
You hit the nail on the head. Excellent Post. n/a onecent Jul 2014 #81
Cheney has been doing a magicians "watch my hands" bit, in an obvious attempt to get us to forget C Moon Jul 2014 #83
100 percent true, imo BeyondGeography Jul 2014 #3
Since John McShame makes Darth Cheney look like Mother Theresa, gotta agree. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #4
What IS it with him???!!! hamsterjill Jul 2014 #13
I think he's finally flipped his lid. He doesn't come off as rational a lot of the time. Hekate Jul 2014 #21
Agree!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #51
I would refer to him as reptilian, but that would be insulting to reptiles..... lastlib Jul 2014 #66
He's an attention whore Cosmocat Jul 2014 #75
"He (McSame) is adamant that we go to war with SOMEONE!!" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #47
He is warmongering crazy. Even Joe the intern killer called him out similarly in 08 TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #60
"Get off my lawn" syndrome on steroids. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #62
Romney would have just asked cheney RobertEarl Jul 2014 #5
I hate to think of what could have been spinbaby Jul 2014 #19
Me, too. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #28
Romney clearly stated that he would ask Netanyahu what to do. blm Jul 2014 #54
Agree with you oldandhappy Jul 2014 #6
Could you imagine if Cheney was President and after him McCain was President. SummerSnow Jul 2014 #7
I knew we had someone that actually gave a shit, after he got OBL. Rex Jul 2014 #8
Yep. The following sentiment is worth repeating. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2014 #9
+1 I keep the expurgated version on my fridge door Hekate Jul 2014 #26
So do I. jwirr Jul 2014 #10
Yes. I totally agree. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #11
After turning CNN on and seeing the breaking news I was at first "OMG" and my second thought was Boomerproud Jul 2014 #12
I was thinking the same thing. cilla4progress Jul 2014 #14
I thought the same thing when I heard - thank the FSM that Obama Turn CO Blue Jul 2014 #15
Totally ReRe Jul 2014 #16
So am I. And I despise the GOP more and more and more and more and... nolabear Jul 2014 #17
totally agree, I have no anxieties about this situation with him in control nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #18
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #20
"Some would." Usually those are Republicans and Teabaggers. What do you think, based on... Hekate Jul 2014 #23
K & R Iliyah Jul 2014 #22
Yes. People are not toy soldiers to him. Thanks, DI. Hekate Jul 2014 #24
Meanwhile Boner et al are waiting to see what Obama will say or do. lpbk2713 Jul 2014 #29
LOL. So true. nt SunSeeker Jul 2014 #71
At moments like this, I could not agree more. madamesilverspurs Jul 2014 #30
100% agree. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #31
Other than the Utopian Leftist Jul 2014 #32
It did make me wonder ymetca Jul 2014 #36
It's sad that not being stark-raving mad makes Obama better than most would-be presidents. Vattel Jul 2014 #33
Of course McCain wants to bomb somebody tularetom Jul 2014 #35
McCain would have the jets in the air. TNNurse Jul 2014 #38
McCain already bombed in 2008 Jack Rabbit Jul 2014 #61
K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #37
I'm glad, too. stage left Jul 2014 #40
Indeed, DI! Nobody knows what happened yet but McCain breaks an ankle running to a camera Cha Jul 2014 #41
Gramps needs to be put out to pasture, Cha sheshe2 Jul 2014 #42
Oh gosh, sheshe.. this is so sad.. :( Cha Jul 2014 #45
... sheshe2 Jul 2014 #46
just imagine ... napkinz Jul 2014 #86
"alternate reality"?? Two years from now, and you could have President Perry or President Christie Yavin4 Jul 2014 #43
Fascists believe a nation shows it's greatness on the battlefield.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #44
with someone else's kids and loved ones rurallib Jul 2014 #48
Exactly! nt tweeternik Jul 2014 #50
Welcome to DU! rurallib Jul 2014 #57
As the mother of two draft age sons mcar Jul 2014 #49
But there is no draft. virgogal Jul 2014 #56
Not yet mcar Jul 2014 #64
They still are dead serious about that selective service registration though. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #65
Hair Trigger McCain would have started 8 wars by now. liberal N proud Jul 2014 #52
John BOMB BOMB BOMB McCain blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #53
Yeah well what about Mitt? ZX86 Jul 2014 #55
McCain is a rabid warmonger. Utopian Leftist Jul 2014 #58
Agreed. KaryninMiami Jul 2014 #59
Completely with you on trusting our President. Marie Marie Jul 2014 #63
His thoughtful, cautious attitude is certainly a plus, here n/t eridani Jul 2014 #67
Though it would be interesting to see where the world would be if we had a McCain/Palin presidency. Kablooie Jul 2014 #69
Yes! Cha Jul 2014 #70
Obama has earned the hell out of his Nobel Peace Prize mwrguy Jul 2014 #72
I'm on the very same page. I trust President Obama! hue Jul 2014 #73
I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #76
I'm late to respond but . . . Rapillion Jul 2014 #77
Pardon my tardiness in addressing this OP. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #78
The Republicans are truly scary people... jimlup Jul 2014 #79
Yes, and moments like this to think how this would have been handled in January of 2017. n/t Whisp Jul 2014 #80
Yep. He may not make the best decisions... Orsino Jul 2014 #82
What good has come from our excursions on the ME??? grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #84
Victoria Nuland's boss? really? MisterP Jul 2014 #85
It's sad that we have to be thankful for a president who isn't insane LittleBlue Jul 2014 #87
Ya know, if he pr0secuted the war crimes of the Bush admin, we wouldn't be here now. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #88

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
1. President Obama is easily the most level-headed president we've had in generations
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:43 PM
Jul 2014

I think Democrats have learned their lesson after Vietnam. Since then there has been less war under Dem presidencies.

Response to IronLionZion (Reply #1)

get the red out

(14,031 posts)
2. I agree
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:45 PM
Jul 2014

How people can still be blood-thirsty for war is beyond me, but the Republicans certainly are. We are very fortunate indeed.

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
25. That's an easy one
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jul 2014

War fills the coffers of their real constituents. Rand, Halliburton, Locked Martin,etc.
This is why I would like to see the draft reinstated with NO, ZERO exceptions. If there was a chance one of their kids would be cannon fodder, they might not be so eager to start wars.


Martin Eden

(15,626 posts)
39. Some Rethugs are bloodthirsty for war. All Rethugs are bloodthirsty for Obama.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jul 2014

They would call him the worst president ever if he avoids another costly stupid war.
They would call him the worst president ever if he takes us to war and anything goes wrong.
They would call him the worst president ever and disastrously incompetent if he did everything exactly as GW Bush did.

C Moon

(13,643 posts)
83. Cheney has been doing a magicians "watch my hands" bit, in an obvious attempt to get us to forget
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jul 2014

how him and his Puppet President, took the US to it's lowest depths since the Great Depression.

BeyondGeography

(41,101 posts)
3. 100 percent true, imo
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jul 2014

Plus he's in his second term; makes a calm man even calmer.

Of course, bad judgment will always override an even temperament, but I have a lot of confidence in that side of him as well.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
13. What IS it with him???!!!
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jul 2014

He is adamant that we go to war with SOMEONE!!

One might think a former prisoner of war would not be so eager to create a situation where other men and women might have to endure POW status like he did, but the exact opposite is true for McCain.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
21. I think he's finally flipped his lid. He doesn't come off as rational a lot of the time.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jul 2014

I look at him and wonder if he's got the beginnings of dementia, because that anger is so out of control in public.

Cheney's a different sort: he's just a cold-blooded psychopath with a lust for power and destruction beyond belief. It seems his many heart troubles could have affected his brain in some fashion, but in his case the cold-bloodedness has become clearer.

lastlib

(28,262 posts)
66. I would refer to him as reptilian, but that would be insulting to reptiles.....
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jul 2014

Cold-blooded, soulless piece of shit that he is. I keep thinking I should go get a piece of wood and cut it to a point, so when he dies I'll have a ready-made stake to drive into his grave to make sure he doesn't come back to life.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
75. He's an attention whore
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:04 AM
Jul 2014

And his niche is being the guy who wants to bomb things and kill people ...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
47. "He (McSame) is adamant that we go to war with SOMEONE!!"
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jul 2014

He wanted to be President and invade both Iran and Sarah's ass.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
60. He is warmongering crazy. Even Joe the intern killer called him out similarly in 08
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jul 2014

I guess he thinks if being a POW is good enough for an Admiral's son then it is good enough for everyone.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Romney would have just asked cheney
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jul 2014

"dick, what should I do?"

First off the idea that a plane being shot down in Russia is any threat to the US, or world peace, is just fearmongering.

spinbaby

(15,389 posts)
19. I hate to think of what could have been
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jul 2014

Romney as president would have resulted in a world war, I'm sure of it.

blm

(114,658 posts)
54. Romney clearly stated that he would ask Netanyahu what to do.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jul 2014

Now THAT is scary. We would have invaded Iran last year.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
7. Could you imagine if Cheney was President and after him McCain was President.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jul 2014



This is what the U.S. would look like now

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. I knew we had someone that actually gave a shit, after he got OBL.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jul 2014

He will handle this situation very well...far better than the GOP war hawks ever could dream of...all they would do is get the entire planet irradiated.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
26. +1 I keep the expurgated version on my fridge door
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jul 2014

TY to Drunken Irishman for starting this thread.

Boomerproud

(9,292 posts)
12. After turning CNN on and seeing the breaking news I was at first "OMG" and my second thought was
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jul 2014

McCain would be bombing Moscow and Kiev right now. Your posts beat me to it.

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
14. I was thinking the same thing.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jul 2014

I was also thinking that Repubs like McCain have emboldened Putin with their criticism of Pres Obama and veiled (and un-veiled) accolades for Putin recently.

I feel all I can do to stay sane is to focus on the good that will inevitably come out of this, even if overshadowed by the bad.

I can only cling to Mr. Rogers' quote about noticing the helpers, during bad times.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
15. I thought the same thing when I heard - thank the FSM that Obama
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jul 2014

is The One with access to the nuke buttons and not a Armageddon-happy nutcase like Cruz or McCain.

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
16. Totally
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jul 2014

Can you imagine if Cheney or GWB or any chickenhawk was in PO's seat? By damn, we'd be INSIDE of WWIII already.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
17. So am I. And I despise the GOP more and more and more and more and...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jul 2014

John McCain can kiss my liberal, peace-loving, level-headed ass.

Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
23. "Some would." Usually those are Republicans and Teabaggers. What do you think, based on...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jul 2014

...his record of the past many years?

Welcome to DU, and enjoy your stay.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
22. K & R
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jul 2014

RMoney as prez the USA will be in conflict with Syria, Ukraine & Russia, Middle East which includes Iraq & Hamas. Iran would have been bomb to hell while McCain the secretary of defense and all the chickenhawks sitting around a table wanting more conflicts to send our children to, while their children are sitting around swimming pools.

Yep, I'm happy Pres O is in office.

lpbk2713

(43,273 posts)
29. Meanwhile Boner et al are waiting to see what Obama will say or do.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jul 2014




... so they can say he should have done the exact opposite.


madamesilverspurs

(16,511 posts)
30. At moments like this, I could not agree more.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jul 2014

Compounding the scariness, the previous administration trashed our national reputation and put our reliability as a responsible ally into question. Dealing with present realities would be daunting enough without having to first re-establish trust that was unnecessarily broken. Damned right I'm glad for level-headedness; likewise, I think, for the rest of the world.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
32. Other than the
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jul 2014

drones and the NSA spying and the TPP and the chained CPI and the whole cave-in to the insurance companies on healthcare reform . . . he has been a very good President, and I wake up praising Goddess every day that he kept us out of WWIII so far, unlike that bloodthirsty McCain would have.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
36. It did make me wonder
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jul 2014

how Elizabeth Warren would handle today's global idiocy. I think I know how Hillary would (slightly more chicken-hawkish?) Foreign Policy is supposedly her weakness. But then so was Obama's, right?

I watched Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC today, like the broken record she is, going to John McCain as if he would have something other to say than everything bad in the world is a result of "Obama's feckless foreign policy."

I was done with McCain as a serious player when Keith Olbermann called him out on the campaign trail for saying "I know how to get Bin Laden".

It's baffling why the old geezer keeps getting on TV. He must be really taking it rectally for the military-industrial-media complex.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
33. It's sad that not being stark-raving mad makes Obama better than most would-be presidents.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 06:41 PM
Jul 2014

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
35. Of course McCain wants to bomb somebody
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jul 2014

My question is, who?

If it turns out that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists, should we bomb Russia?

Maybe Obama should throw a dart at a map and bomb whatever country it hits, just to shut McCain the fuck up.

The senile old fool is entitled to one more orgasm before his dirt nap. A nice little act of American aggression would provide one for him.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
61. McCain already bombed in 2008
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jul 2014

He probably would've bombed in 2008 even if he had picked a better running mate.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
41. Indeed, DI! Nobody knows what happened yet but McCain breaks an ankle running to a camera
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:36 PM
Jul 2014

to blame Obama.


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But McCain blames Obama.

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sheshe2

(97,622 posts)
42. Gramps needs to be put out to pasture, Cha
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jul 2014

...where all old Mavericks go when they are past their prime.

McVain

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
43. "alternate reality"?? Two years from now, and you could have President Perry or President Christie
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jul 2014

or President Cruz. Imagine how he would handle this situation.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
44. Fascists believe a nation shows it's greatness on the battlefield....
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jul 2014

Chris Mathews is all aflutter over the idea of releasing the kracken.

HE PLAYED CLIPS OF REAGAN TALKING TOUGH AGAINST RUSSIA.

mcar

(46,056 posts)
49. As the mother of two draft age sons
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jul 2014

I definitely agree. I don't envy the man his job with the crappy deck he's been dealt.

But I'm sure glad he's got it.

mcar

(46,056 posts)
64. Not yet
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jul 2014

What will happen if all this escalates?

If McCain or Romney were in the WH, we'd be into WWIII already.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
65. They still are dead serious about that selective service registration though.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jul 2014

We're supposed to have a Bill of Rights to but they are quick to edit delete under the cover of folks driven by the fake ass news to hot extremes that change pretty radically when reality sets in.

Depending, anything can happen. I'm still flabbergasted at open torture, indefinite detention, and a proud surveillance state.

Water boarding was a hanging offense in still living memory but now the folks that order such abominations are on TV and doing speaking tours.

They will do whatever they damn well please until they are forced into submission and shame ain't even a down payment.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
58. McCain is a rabid warmonger.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:28 PM
Jul 2014

Mittens was just a confused sociopath with a hardon for Gray Poupon. He'd probably have taken us to war, too, though . . . with England, over the Queen's refusal to tolerate his disrespect.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
59. Agreed.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jul 2014

Cannot imagine what would have happened with either McCain (not to mention VP Palin) or Romney in the White House. There are times I feel frustration with this administration but more often and most of the time, I am very grateful he's our President.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
69. Though it would be interesting to see where the world would be if we had a McCain/Palin presidency.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:29 AM
Jul 2014

And you know what the Chinese say about interesting times.

Rapillion

(51 posts)
77. I'm late to respond but . . .
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:28 AM
Jul 2014

. . . this is an excellent post. He's Kennedyesque and the crises we face may turn out to be worse than those faced by JFK.

Romney would have tried to find a way to make money off every crisis.

McCain . . . we'd be dead.

jimlup

(8,010 posts)
79. The Republicans are truly scary people...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jul 2014

They don't recognize it but they are the ones who are likely to have a situation spin out of control.

I have to say it - Refucklians. These people are frothing at the mouths idiots. I'm fucking sick of living in the same country as them. I wish they could get a grip on their emotions but that doesn't seem possible.

Venting makes me feel a tiny bit better...

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
80. Yes, and moments like this to think how this would have been handled in January of 2017. n/t
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jul 2014

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
82. Yep. He may not make the best decisions...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jul 2014

...but considering the realistic alternatives, I'm glad he's in the big chair.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
87. It's sad that we have to be thankful for a president who isn't insane
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jul 2014

and bloodthirsty.

But yes, I agree that it's a relief not to have someone like Chimperor or McInsane

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