Kill Obamacare? Okay, Then We Go For Single Payer. Full Stop. Unrelentingly.

[Yavin4]

Okay Republicans. You succeed at killing Obamacare, then we go for single payer, full stop. No more compromises. No more "Mr. Nice Guy". We begin by demanding that the Democrats go for Single Payer. No Dem gets nominated without being 100% in support of Single-Payer. No Dem.

[randys1]

1. I agree...

And this time around, the millions who lost no preconditions, new coverage, lower premiums, will want it too...

The vast majority of the American people want ACA or single payor, just that many cant admit it as long as Black Prez is Prez

[Demsrule86]

15. Better keep what we have

Better to keep what we have while working towards a better solution.

[MohRokTah]

2. If you kill Obamacare now, it will be five generations before Healthcare is addressed again.

It will be completely radioactive as an issue.

You have to take the House, maintain the Senate, and start altering Obamacare to get to single payer.

[Yavin4]

6. Said the same thing about Gay marriage in 2004

Also, most of the jobs being created today don't carry health care. More Americans won't have coverage if Obamacare is repealed.

[Yavin4]

7. The people are going to demand it. Employer based health care is rapidly fading away.

Obamacare is a compromise to the insurance industry.

[onecaliberal]

10. Your second point is spot on

Those blue dogs are reliable Repuke votes on most issues.

[vi5]

4. These poison pills were a feature not a bug.

Again, we're faced with the question on the part of our wonderful democrats as to whether this was incompetence (did they not have all of these aspects vetted by legal teams/lawyers/scholars?) or malice ("Oh, look at that, all these things that the Republicans/courts struck down. Goshdarnit, nothing we can do about it. Oh well. Better luck next generation!&quot .

Either way, that leaves the people without a party to defend them or advocate for their needs. The best we have is a "split the difference", "who are you gonna vote for the other guy?!?!?" party.

[Half-Century Man]

5. Full universal Health care, including dental, mental, and vision.

Paid for by a tax with no salary cap.
With no insurance business.
With the full power to negotiate for prices.


Completely Socialized Medical Service in the United States of America. Now.

[leftstreet]

8. If GOPers were serious, they'd attack the Individual Mandate

The GOP plan for wealthcare wasn't much different from the Democratic one

1) Make people buy health insurance
2) See #1

[DavidDvorkin]

9. If wishes were horses

then beggars would ride.

[Armstead]

12. I would amend that -- Start with a universally available Public Option Medicare Plan for a start

Give people a chance and a taste of voluntary no-bullshit public insurance based on a sliding-scale of income/rates as a choice. And sell that relentlessly as a win-win for the public.

Let that work for a while, which could pave the way for single -payer down the road.

[NaturalHigh]

13. I'm cool with that.

It's not going to happen for a long time, but it needs to be kept in the spotlight until it does.

[Demsrule86]

14. Obamacare was not killed

First of all two GOP judges ruled yesterday...a full court will reverse the decision in DC. secondly you act like we could get single payer...we can't...we have what we have and eventually it will lead to single payer but if we want any sort of health care we must fight for what we have...it took 100 years to get this. 20 million people now have coverage and many would die without it. Get out and vote and give us a liberal Senate and House and then we can improve upon the ACA ...but you are completely naive if you think we could ever get healthcare again should the ACA fail. Democrats sacrificed their majority to get it...think about that.

[librechik]

16. lol--you say that as if we have a means of representation in our govt or something.

I don't see it. If the PTB says no dice, they get what they want and nobody can even name them.

[treestar]

17. That would require getting out to vote in midterm elections

[pampango]

18. Let's for for a UK-style National Health Service and settle for Single Payer if we have to. n/t