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Fuck You Tony Dungy (Original Post) rufus dog Jul 2014 OP
A distraction? Heavens to Betsy! Not a distraction! immoderate Jul 2014 #1
Tony Dungy has always been very religious Terra Alta Jul 2014 #2
He needs to figure out why he's distracted, and not bother the rest of us, who are NOT distracted, MADem Jul 2014 #3
Michael Sam was planning a documentary before the NFL draft mythology Jul 2014 #9
Lots of Golden Boys get documentary coverage. MADem Jul 2014 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author sobenji Jul 2014 #4
Amen. nt tishaLA Jul 2014 #5
Read this before deciding on Tony Dungy KinMd Jul 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #7
Done rufus dog Jul 2014 #11
I read the thing but I think Seifert at ESPN did a great job of dismissing that rpannier Jul 2014 #15
Fair enough, but... JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #18
"He absolutely deserves a chance." KamaAina Jul 2014 #29
Meme format... alp227 Jul 2014 #8
sorry but I am a Tony Dungy fan from many years back chillfactor Jul 2014 #10
It is all over the place, the idiotic vitriol, foaming at the mouth hatred for Coach Dungy. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #13
Oh please rpannier Jul 2014 #17
oh please, yes. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #22
Never liked him rpannier Jul 2014 #16
No..chill.... Obviously YOU know nothing about Tony Dungy Strat54 Jul 2014 #20
Dungy is a hypocrite. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2014 #19
Dungy's a conservative dickhead. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jul 2014 #26
He likes shitty Christian cop movies, I know that much! Initech Jul 2014 #30
He's the World's Worst Person in Sports bluedigger Jul 2014 #24
Keith, as usual, says it well and to the point. Nice seeing him again..n/t monmouth3 Jul 2014 #25
Slight correction...his name isn't Dungy...it's Dungheap... joeybee12 Jul 2014 #27
Kick & recommended. William769 Jul 2014 #28

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
2. Tony Dungy has always been very religious
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jul 2014

so I really don't find this very surprising.

It's really a shame, though, that he apparently views abusing defenseless animals as a lesser sin than being in love with someone of the same sex.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. He needs to figure out why he's distracted, and not bother the rest of us, who are NOT distracted,
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jul 2014

with his personal conflicts. Maybe he should speak with someone who is understanding, in confidence, about these feelings of distraction that are troubling him so.

This is all about the person with the "distraction issue," and not anyone else.

Who here is "distracted?" Anyone? Buehler?

I'm not distracted at all--I wish the young man well and hope he's successful.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. Michael Sam was planning a documentary before the NFL draft
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jul 2014

Having cameras and film crews around would certainly cause a distraction. Look at how few teams actually want the HBO show Hard Knocks to focus on their team each year. In fact the St. Louis team convinced Micheal Sam to not have the documentary around.

That's the distraction, not the fact that Michael Sam is gay.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Lots of Golden Boys get documentary coverage.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:21 AM
Jul 2014

I think if famous athletes making millions can't handle a few cameras, they don't belong in the public eye.

I am not buying that argument, not one bit. They do documentaries when Heisman winners fleet up to the NFL, no one cries about "distractions."

Could it be that some people only think it's only distracting if they're gay, perhaps? It is unreasonable to demand that no one mark this occasion. It IS a big deal, it is a milestone, it is a moment in history-- but crying about "distractions" and REDUCING this historical moment to nothing more than that is dog whistling, IMO.

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rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
11. Done
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:10 AM
Jul 2014

Can't say it changes my opinion. Had his original statement been, " he is a talent that could potentially help the right team, but said team will have to deal with the distraction of a film crew along with the pressure of being the first openly gay player,..." Then I would give him the benefit of the doubt about being taken out of context.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
15. I read the thing but I think Seifert at ESPN did a great job of dismissing that
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:54 AM
Jul 2014

1. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction.
The NFL is one large distraction
Johnny Manziel is a distraction, Tim Tebow was a distraction, that reality series (Hard Knocks?) they do is a distraction
Every move any starter (esp qb, wr, rb) makes is a distraction

Great teams are able to deal with and diminish these problems
Crappy teams with poor management struggle

2. Kaufman says the interview took place "a week or two back" since the original article was published in the Tampa Tribune on Sunday.

Also, it should be noted that the series on Oprah TV had been cancelled before the interview

3. From ESPN (lest we forget):

Dungy caused a stir Tuesday when he accepted the "Friend of Family" award from the conservative Indiana Family Institute.
The coach told the audience he supported the group's efforts to amend the Indiana constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman.
"I appreciate the stance they're taking, and I embrace that stance," Dungy told the crowd of about 700 people.

Dungy has been in sports and sportscasting long enough to know how to answer questions. To claim that there were no follow up questions shows he's not as good as people say or he's trying to weasel out of the whole thing


************
So color me skeptical.
But, I didn't like him when he coached the Buccs, I wasn't a fan of his when he was at Indy. I don't really think much of the guy.
So I admit to a bias.
And that was before all his Christian, anti-gay piffle
His inane comments over the years have just made it easier to dislike him

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
18. Fair enough, but...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:58 AM
Jul 2014

Would he have drafted "Johnny Football?" There's a guy who is every bit as much of a distraction as Michael Sam, so why has no one asked if Dungy would have drafted him? Would not that answer clarify the situation a bit?

chillfactor

(7,575 posts)
10. sorry but I am a Tony Dungy fan from many years back
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jul 2014

when he coached the Minnesota Gopher football team...obviously you know nothing about Tony Dungy the man or you would not make such a stupid post...

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
12. It is all over the place, the idiotic vitriol, foaming at the mouth hatred for Coach Dungy.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:17 AM
Jul 2014

There is an element at work here which I have come to truly detest,it is not liberal, it is not pogressive.

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rpannier

(24,329 posts)
17. Oh please
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:58 AM
Jul 2014

It is liberal and progressive to not like somebody
The guy is anti-gay, jumped into the anti-gay marriage camp
There is nothing idiotic about not liking someone for their viewpoints

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
16. Never liked him
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:56 AM
Jul 2014

Didn't like him at Tampa Bay
Didn't like him at Indy
Didn't like him before he became the face of anti-gay causes in Indianapolis
I agree with the OP

The man is anti-gay
The man is anti-gay marriage

Seifert at ESPN did a good take-down on this recent affair

 

Strat54

(58 posts)
20. No..chill.... Obviously YOU know nothing about Tony Dungy
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:19 AM
Jul 2014

The guy is an Evangelical nutjob with a long history of support for Anti-Gay causes.

Him, the Irsays, and Peyton Manning are ALL a bunch of Right-Wing douchebags. They all also get showered with praise and accolades while they have only 1 Superbowl victory to their names. (Well... "Tony the Douchebag" actually has 2. He was on the Steelers team that won the Superbowl in 1979.)

No surprise to me!! I knew he was a RWNJ 10 years ago.

I am totally surprised by the commentors who say things like "Well you have to understand that he is a Christian..." as if that makes his bigotry totally OK.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
19. Dungy is a hypocrite.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:11 AM
Jul 2014

It took him years to become an NFL assistant coach. Owners and coaches were leery of hiring African-Americans. 'Things might happen.' It might make some players and fans uncomfortable. After that, it took him a while to become a head coach.

He had no problem mentoring Michael Vick who was a complete distraction when trying to find a team after leaving prison. Dungy lobbied other coaches to give him a chance. In addition, he had a few distractions while coaching. Marvin Harrison was one such player. He was accused of murder. So his 'distractions' are of a certain nature.

As far as his religious beliefs go, he must have forgotten that people used passages from the Bible to deny blacks their rights and call them inferior. Turning that around was when things happened and that noxious belief was generally put to rest.

Jackie Robinson was a huge 'distraction.' However, Branch Rickey was determined he would play and a barrier was broken. You better believe that his presence made a lot of people uncomfortable.

'Distraction' is a code word. It has a general, nebulous meaning and can be used against anybody. They don't mind the distraction of players with DUIs, drug convictions, domestic abuse allegations and I could go on. It's bullshit.

As far as the Oprah documentary, Dungy's timeline is very suspect. That entire project was called off before his comments were made. It was another convenient excuse. Except for an appearance at the ESPYs, Michael Sam has been invisible.

I have kept up with Tony Dungy for years. I have admired him for his work with others and as a coach. I was very surprised to see these comments. Dungy is well-respected in the NFL and HE is the one who has caused a distraction and done Michael Sam a disservice.

Since when is a religious conviction that is bigoted ok? Does your religion trump others rights? Make no mistake. He hurt Michael Sams chances. People will use Dungy for cover. Sam is already behind the curve as a 7th round pick when he should have gone in the 4th round at least. Any other SEC player with his credentials would have.

So keep defending Dungy! Keep defending the status quo. Let's not get distracted. After all, those distractions will doom a team to oblivion.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. Dungy's a conservative dickhead.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:29 AM
Jul 2014

Always was. And probably always will be. Conservative dickheads have no higher brain functions.

- There have been studies.....


K&R

If I were Michael Sam, every week the opponent in front of me would be Tony Dungy.......

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Initech

(100,068 posts)
30. He likes shitty Christian cop movies, I know that much!
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jul 2014

Judging from the copies of "Courageous" that are gathering dust on the shelves at my local supermarket.





No surprise he thinks Michael Sam will be a distraction!

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